How can we make DC streets bicycle and pedestrian-only?

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Last July there were five people killed by cars in DC (or just outside of it), four on bikes, one on foot. 2 were white women in their 40s, two were older black guys, the guy on foot was also an older black guy.

In 2023 we have installed 3 ghost bikes, two for older black guys EOTR and one for a nonbinary younger guy of eastern European background.

Get real. You are living in an imaginary world.

The last one you mentioned was not hit by a car. Honestly, whatever you think you’re doing, you’re not doing very well. Maybe go to bed?

No they weren't but we still installed a ghost bike because they were a victim of traffic violence. Also, I didn't leave them out because they were the closest to a "white cyclist" being killed and if i did youd problem bring them up as some "gotcha".

Anyway, the best you can do is tell me to go to bed? How about just admit that you are wrong about your prejudices? Asking too much, I suppose.

They were shot by a gun. That’s called actual violence.

Because of road rage. Which is traffic violence.

It was a robbery. I am not sure if you are intentionally lying in a blinkered attempt to prove something or just stupid. Either way it’s pretty sad.

A robbery when all of their items and their bike were left with them?

So you’re choosing stupid? Hopefully you cycle smarter.

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Last July there were five people killed by cars in DC (or just outside of it), four on bikes, one on foot. 2 were white women in their 40s, two were older black guys, the guy on foot was also an older black guy.

In 2023 we have installed 3 ghost bikes, two for older black guys EOTR and one for a nonbinary younger guy of eastern European background.

Get real. You are living in an imaginary world.

The last one you mentioned was not hit by a car. Honestly, whatever you think you’re doing, you’re not doing very well. Maybe go to bed?

No they weren't but we still installed a ghost bike because they were a victim of traffic violence. Also, I didn't leave them out because they were the closest to a "white cyclist" being killed and if i did youd problem bring them up as some "gotcha".

Anyway, the best you can do is tell me to go to bed? How about just admit that you are wrong about your prejudices? Asking too much, I suppose.

They were shot by a gun. That’s called actual violence.

Because of road rage. Which is traffic violence.

It was a robbery. I am not sure if you are intentionally lying in a blinkered attempt to prove something or just stupid. Either way it’s pretty sad.

A robbery when all of their items and their bike were left with them?

So you’re choosing stupid? Hopefully you cycle smarter.

They were on a residential street. At midnight. On their bike. Shot right off the street where they died in a yard. Where all of their belongings were left behind and there were no signs of anyone besides them being present at the scene outside of a vehicle. It was a road rage incident. If you think that isn't the case, then you haven't ridden a bike in this city and experienced the ire of a driver who thinks you shouldn't exist on the road with them.

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There’s an average of one — ONE — cyclist death per year in Washington DC. That’s out of billions of trips taken. Get a grip. There’s literally 200 times as many murders every single year and you’re not worried about being murdered are you?

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Last July there were five people killed by cars in DC (or just outside of it), four on bikes, one on foot. 2 were white women in their 40s, two were older black guys, the guy on foot was also an older black guy.

In 2023 we have installed 3 ghost bikes, two for older black guys EOTR and one for a nonbinary younger guy of eastern European background.

Get real. You are living in an imaginary world.

The last one you mentioned was not hit by a car. Honestly, whatever you think you’re doing, you’re not doing very well. Maybe go to bed?

No they weren't but we still installed a ghost bike because they were a victim of traffic violence. Also, I didn't leave them out because they were the closest to a "white cyclist" being killed and if i did youd problem bring them up as some "gotcha".

Anyway, the best you can do is tell me to go to bed? How about just admit that you are wrong about your prejudices? Asking too much, I suppose.

They were shot by a gun. That’s called actual violence.

Because of road rage. Which is traffic violence.

It was a robbery. I am not sure if you are intentionally lying in a blinkered attempt to prove something or just stupid. Either way it’s pretty sad.

A robbery when all of their items and their bike were left with them?

So you’re choosing stupid? Hopefully you cycle smarter.

They were on a residential street. At midnight. On their bike. Shot right off the street where they died in a yard. Where all of their belongings were left behind and there were no signs of anyone besides them being present at the scene outside of a vehicle. It was a road rage incident. If you think that isn't the case, then you haven't ridden a bike in this city and experienced the ire of a driver who thinks you shouldn't exist on the road with them.

I note that you have deleted my response to you. If it was you Jeff, I am not sure what your goal is. Sure it’s your website but not a good look. If you have authorized someone else to delete posts, they are doing so to perpetuate insanity.

The basic fact is that what is posted above is made up. There is zero evidence to support “road rage” and up until now no one has ever said it was “road rage”.

It is a conveniently concocted story that is not only inconsistent with official reports l, but also inconsistent with what their friends have said, as well as has been said by DC’s foremost cycling advocates.

There is a lot of insane things that go on in this website, so it doesn’t surprise me. But this is like alternate reality stuff.

Here is WABA’s former advocacy director boosting one of his friends.
https://twitter.com/jeremiah4dc/status/1680590425952845824

Here is a former WABA bike ambassador, ANC rep and huge cycling advocate.
https://twitter.com/MarkSussman_/status/1680394267913596930

And then there’s you.

I'm a DP, but both of those posts are from immediately after the incident. I think it's pretty safe to say that they did not have the full picture that we have now. Regardless, I'm not really sure why you are dug in on this point? What are you even trying to prove?

You: *inventing your own reality*
Me: *pointing it out*
You: “what are you trying to prove?”

Absolutely insane.

Again, what was your point? Otherwise I get why that poster requested your comment be deleted.

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

I mean, sure, if you want to take the position that the people who bicycle in DC are somehow completely different from the people who bicycle in Montgomery County or Prince George's County...

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

I mean, sure, if you want to take the position that the people who bicycle in DC are somehow completely different from the people who bicycle in Montgomery County or Prince George's County...

I honestly have no idea what you’re arguing about anymore. It’s just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because if you’re not making up your own facts you’re changing the subject when someone points out you’re wrong. Then you delete the posts. LOL!

How many bicycle fatalities does DC average in a year?

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

I mean, sure, if you want to take the position that the people who bicycle in DC are somehow completely different from the people who bicycle in Montgomery County or Prince George's County...

I honestly have no idea what you’re arguing about anymore. It’s just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because if you’re not making up your own facts you’re changing the subject when someone points out you’re wrong. Then you delete the posts. LOL!

How many bicycle fatalities does DC average in a year?

You're going to have to decide if your argument is "There aren't enough dead bicyclists in DC to make bicycle infrastructure in DC worthwhile" - in which case you should tell us how many dead bicyclists there would need to be, in your opinion.

Or if your argument is "Bicyclists in DC are white men" - in which case you should explain why most of the dead bicyclists are not white men.

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

I mean, sure, if you want to take the position that the people who bicycle in DC are somehow completely different from the people who bicycle in Montgomery County or Prince George's County...

I honestly have no idea what you’re arguing about anymore. It’s just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because if you’re not making up your own facts you’re changing the subject when someone points out you’re wrong. Then you delete the posts. LOL!

How many bicycle fatalities does DC average in a year?

You're going to have to decide if your argument is "There aren't enough dead bicyclists in DC to make bicycle infrastructure in DC worthwhile" - in which case you should tell us how many dead bicyclists there would need to be, in your opinion.

Or if your argument is "Bicyclists in DC are white men" - in which case you should explain why most of the dead bicyclists are not white men.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Redirect and then argue about something else. LOL.

Let me help you. There has been 1 bicycle fatality so far in 2023 and going back to 2017, which is furthest back that DC provides easy access to data, there have been 15. So an average of 2.14 per year.

Also, according to the League of American Cyclists, who analyzed 2017 NHTA survey data, less than 20% of bicycle trips in the United States were by people of color, ie all person who are not non-Hispanic white.
https://data.bikeleague.org/show-your-data/national-data/demographics-of-active-transportation/

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Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

DP. This is the real answer. It’s not banning all cars, it’s banning any non-DC plates. Or making them pay huge tolls to drive in the city. Anything that reduces MD and VA plates would be fine by me!

Cyclists are almost entirely white. Drivers are disproportionately black and brown (because they're less likely to be able to afford to live close to where they work)

All these cockamamie schemes to help cyclists and punish drivers boil down to privileging white people and hurting black and brown people.

You're wrong about this, it's been demonstrated to you multiple times that you're wrong about this, and yet here you still are, repeating yourself wrongly about this.

Sounds like you are unfamiliar with both cyclists and our suburbs.

Nope, that's you. You're just wrong about this.

I guess the fact that most of the cyclists who have died in traffic/related fatalities in the city in the past year have been either older black guys or white women means they just have such terrible luck because "those people" aren't riding bikes, its just middle-aged white guys who are?

Uh, DC averages one cyclist death per year.

Drivers killed 4 bicyclists in Montgomery County last year: a teenage boy bicycling on an obstructed sidewalk, a white woman bicycling in a bike lane (the driver was convicted of causing her death), another teenage boy walking his bike across the road after getting off a bus (hit and run driver), and a Hispanic man walking his bike across the road. All four were bicycling for transportation.

The bicyclist most recently killed in Prince George's County was a middle-aged black man bicycling for recreation/exercise (drunk driver).

The bicyclist most recently killed in Montgomery County was a young black man bicycling back from the store (racing drivers).

This thread is about DC. Not what happens in other states.

I mean, sure, if you want to take the position that the people who bicycle in DC are somehow completely different from the people who bicycle in Montgomery County or Prince George's County...

I honestly have no idea what you’re arguing about anymore. It’s just arguing for the sake of arguing at this point because if you’re not making up your own facts you’re changing the subject when someone points out you’re wrong. Then you delete the posts. LOL!

How many bicycle fatalities does DC average in a year?

You're going to have to decide if your argument is "There aren't enough dead bicyclists in DC to make bicycle infrastructure in DC worthwhile" - in which case you should tell us how many dead bicyclists there would need to be, in your opinion.

Or if your argument is "Bicyclists in DC are white men" - in which case you should explain why most of the dead bicyclists are not white men.

This is exactly what I’m talking about. Redirect and then argue about something else. LOL.

Let me help you. There has been 1 bicycle fatality so far in 2023 and going back to 2017, which is furthest back that DC provides easy access to data, there have been 15. So an average of 2.14 per year.

Also, according to the League of American Cyclists, who analyzed 2017 NHTA survey data, less than 20% of bicycle trips in the United States were by people of color, ie all person who are not non-Hispanic white.
https://data.bikeleague.org/show-your-data/national-data/demographics-of-active-transportation/

How many dead bicyclists is enough for you?

Why are most of the dead bicyclists not white men?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC is such a beautifully designed city, with amazing outdoor dining and cafe potential.

But trucks, busses, cars and motorcycles ruin it for us residents.

DC is geographically tiny, so why not make our streets pedestrian and bicycles- only?

Is it really necessary to point out that most of the bars, restaurants and stores in this city would go out of business if we banned cars?

yeah, if you look around the world, every major city has an a pedestrian only area that is just absolutely dead, without any restaurants, cafes, shops, etc. all the businesses instantly die and plazas sit empty. #sarcasm

DC has City Center.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

And what if a bike is not an option? As it isn't for a huge numner of people who also live in the city.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:For one, our metro system is inadequate, there aren't enough stations.

I live and work in DC, but with an elementary kid in school, it would take me (checks google maps)... 25 min to get my kid to school that's a 10-15 min drive away, then another (checks google maps) 45-55 min to get myself to work that's a 25-30 min drive normally.

This is living in NE, with kids in school in NE, with my work also in NE.

No thanks.

You do realize you're literally driving at bike speed? Probably slower depending on where in NE.

The reason it takes you so long is because of traffic and lights (aka too many cars).

Now imagine your trips if DC had half as many cars.

And what if a bike is not an option? As it isn't for a huge numner of people who also live in the city.

why is a bike not an option?

driving is not an option for a huge number of people who live in the city, of course.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC is such a beautifully designed city, with amazing outdoor dining and cafe potential.

But trucks, busses, cars and motorcycles ruin it for us residents.

DC is geographically tiny, so why not make our streets pedestrian and bicycles- only?

How is it ruined for you? Which streets? You can go to the waterfronts and City Center and have your vehicle free zones.