How can we make DC streets bicycle and pedestrian-only?

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Anonymous wrote:It is now 2024; a new year!

How can we make DC bike-only a legislative priority, and maybe a reality, in 2024 ?

You just want to kill the remaining businesses in DC? Many restaurants are complaining that the lack of parking is taking away from their businesses. Uber is making traffic worse and I'm not biking to a restaurant at night.

Please go away with this nonsense.

Please take a trip to Paris and see a city that has been transformed by shrinking the space for vehicle traffic. Its economy seems to be doing just fine, by the way.

This cracks me up. Paris is far more dense than DC with a completely different mindset about cars and transportation. You can’t simply “cut and paste” what they do in Paris and expect it to work here.

Like it or not, DC is a car-dependent city in a car-dependent region in a car-dependent country.

If DC actually banned cars, trucks, and buses en masse, it would wither even further on the vine.

What cracks me up is that you apparently think that population density is exogenous. In the real world, residential developments are a function of transportation infrastructure. Build massive highways and you get suburbanization a la Houston. Make cities walkable and bikeable and you end up with something akin to Paris. Downtown DC - like most US cities - used to be much denser before the highway building spree started.

Paris and NY have sophisticated mass transit systems. DC does not, nor are MD and VA willing to invest to a make it world class. You need all of these things to make a city less dependent on cars.

Our public space dedicated to transportation is limited within DC. The streets cannot be widened, so how do we move the most people possible within that limited space?

Option 1: Do nothing and just suffocate under unrelenting single occupancy cars from never ending exurban development
Option 2: Rethink our public space, maximizing mass transit, walking and biking, while limiting single occupancy vehicles

Paris and NY have sophisticated mass transit systems because city leaders, decades ago, decided to invest in them. Our city and regional leaders can either do more of the same failed transportation policy, or they can decide to make the DC region transportation and development patterns more functional than they are right now.

Would it have been better not to rip out the old streetcar system and further invest in mass transit from the 1950's? Sure. But that didn't happen, so we can either decide today to do something better, or....we can just not do anything and let our gridlock destroy our local economy and a healthier lifestyle.

Huh? Gridlock is the explicit goal of some of these measures.

According to many, the streets are already gridlocked.

But yes, slowing cars down to make our streets safer for everyone is a goal. Are you opposed to that?

The streets are already safe. I see three year olds on bikes. If the streets are not currently safe, then someone needs to arrest these parents for putting their kids in harm's way.

Over 300 crashes on Connecticut Ave in two years is not safe. Sorry, but facts do matter.

Per how many trips?

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Anonymous wrote:It is now 2024; a new year!

How can we make DC bike-only a legislative priority, and maybe a reality, in 2024 ?

You just want to kill the remaining businesses in DC? Many restaurants are complaining that the lack of parking is taking away from their businesses. Uber is making traffic worse and I'm not biking to a restaurant at night.

Please go away with this nonsense.

Please take a trip to Paris and see a city that has been transformed by shrinking the space for vehicle traffic. Its economy seems to be doing just fine, by the way.

This cracks me up. Paris is far more dense than DC with a completely different mindset about cars and transportation. You can’t simply “cut and paste” what they do in Paris and expect it to work here.

Like it or not, DC is a car-dependent city in a car-dependent region in a car-dependent country.

If DC actually banned cars, trucks, and buses en masse, it would wither even further on the vine.

What cracks me up is that you apparently think that population density is exogenous. In the real world, residential developments are a function of transportation infrastructure. Build massive highways and you get suburbanization a la Houston. Make cities walkable and bikeable and you end up with something akin to Paris. Downtown DC - like most US cities - used to be much denser before the highway building spree started.

Paris and NY have sophisticated mass transit systems. DC does not, nor are MD and VA willing to invest to a make it world class. You need all of these things to make a city less dependent on cars.

Our public space dedicated to transportation is limited within DC. The streets cannot be widened, so how do we move the most people possible within that limited space?

Option 1: Do nothing and just suffocate under unrelenting single occupancy cars from never ending exurban development
Option 2: Rethink our public space, maximizing mass transit, walking and biking, while limiting single occupancy vehicles

Paris and NY have sophisticated mass transit systems because city leaders, decades ago, decided to invest in them. Our city and regional leaders can either do more of the same failed transportation policy, or they can decide to make the DC region transportation and development patterns more functional than they are right now.

Would it have been better not to rip out the old streetcar system and further invest in mass transit from the 1950's? Sure. But that didn't happen, so we can either decide today to do something better, or....we can just not do anything and let our gridlock destroy our local economy and a healthier lifestyle.

Huh? Gridlock is the explicit goal of some of these measures.

According to many, the streets are already gridlocked.

But yes, slowing cars down to make our streets safer for everyone is a goal. Are you opposed to that?

At least you're honest about desiring gridlock.

No, I am honest about wanting to make sure drivers are not speeding putting my life as a pedestrian at greater risk.

Through gridlock. I didn't question your motivation. I questioned your strategy. Gussy it up with whatever fanciful rhetoric makes you happy. The bottom line is that you want to increase gridlock.

Slower driving speeds increase the efficiency of the roads, i.e., they reduce gridlock.

Now you're just lying

There are a lot of variables at play, but lower speeds can increase road throughput. It is mostly related to follow distance, and reduction in accidents/accident severity. Its the logic behind variable speed limits.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is now 2024; a new year!

How can we make DC bike-only a legislative priority, and maybe a reality, in 2024 ?

You just want to kill the remaining businesses in DC? Many restaurants are complaining that the lack of parking is taking away from their businesses. Uber is making traffic worse and I'm not biking to a restaurant at night.

Please go away with this nonsense.

Please take a trip to Paris and see a city that has been transformed by shrinking the space for vehicle traffic. Its economy seems to be doing just fine, by the way.

This cracks me up. Paris is far more dense than DC with a completely different mindset about cars and transportation. You can’t simply “cut and paste” what they do in Paris and expect it to work here.

Like it or not, DC is a car-dependent city in a car-dependent region in a car-dependent country.

If DC actually banned cars, trucks, and buses en masse, it would wither even further on the vine.

What cracks me up is that you apparently think that population density is exogenous. In the real world, residential developments are a function of transportation infrastructure. Build massive highways and you get suburbanization a la Houston. Make cities walkable and bikeable and you end up with something akin to Paris. Downtown DC - like most US cities - used to be much denser before the highway building spree started.

Paris and NY have sophisticated mass transit systems. DC does not, nor are MD and VA willing to invest to a make it world class. You need all of these things to make a city less dependent on cars.

Our public space dedicated to transportation is limited within DC. The streets cannot be widened, so how do we move the most people possible within that limited space?

Option 1: Do nothing and just suffocate under unrelenting single occupancy cars from never ending exurban development
Option 2: Rethink our public space, maximizing mass transit, walking and biking, while limiting single occupancy vehicles

Paris and NY have sophisticated mass transit systems because city leaders, decades ago, decided to invest in them. Our city and regional leaders can either do more of the same failed transportation policy, or they can decide to make the DC region transportation and development patterns more functional than they are right now.

Would it have been better not to rip out the old streetcar system and further invest in mass transit from the 1950's? Sure. But that didn't happen, so we can either decide today to do something better, or....we can just not do anything and let our gridlock destroy our local economy and a healthier lifestyle.

Huh? Gridlock is the explicit goal of some of these measures.

According to many, the streets are already gridlocked.

But yes, slowing cars down to make our streets safer for everyone is a goal. Are you opposed to that?

The streets are already safe. I see three year olds on bikes. If the streets are not currently safe, then someone needs to arrest these parents for putting their kids in harm's way.

Over 300 crashes on Connecticut Ave in two years is not safe. Sorry, but facts do matter.

Per how many trips?

And how many were the cyclists' fault? I'm guessing the vast majority! Bikers do some really stupid things.

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You all realize this is MAMIL back with bike lanes for another 400 pages. Please ignore

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It is now 2024; a new year!

How can we make DC bike-only a legislative priority, and maybe a reality, in 2024 ?

You just want to kill the remaining businesses in DC? Many restaurants are complaining that the lack of parking is taking away from their businesses. Uber is making traffic worse and I'm not biking to a restaurant at night.

Please go away with this nonsense.

Please take a trip to Paris and see a city that has been transformed by shrinking the space for vehicle traffic. Its economy seems to be doing just fine, by the way.

This cracks me up. Paris is far more dense than DC with a completely different mindset about cars and transportation. You can’t simply “cut and paste” what they do in Paris and expect it to work here.

Like it or not, DC is a car-dependent city in a car-dependent region in a car-dependent country.

If DC actually banned cars, trucks, and buses en masse, it would wither even further on the vine.

What cracks me up is that you apparently think that population density is exogenous. In the real world, residential developments are a function of transportation infrastructure. Build massive highways and you get suburbanization a la Houston. Make cities walkable and bikeable and you end up with something akin to Paris. Downtown DC - like most US cities - used to be much denser before the highway building spree started.

Paris and NY have sophisticated mass transit systems. DC does not, nor are MD and VA willing to invest to a make it world class. You need all of these things to make a city less dependent on cars.

Our public space dedicated to transportation is limited within DC. The streets cannot be widened, so how do we move the most people possible within that limited space?

Option 1: Do nothing and just suffocate under unrelenting single occupancy cars from never ending exurban development
Option 2: Rethink our public space, maximizing mass transit, walking and biking, while limiting single occupancy vehicles

Paris and NY have sophisticated mass transit systems because city leaders, decades ago, decided to invest in them. Our city and regional leaders can either do more of the same failed transportation policy, or they can decide to make the DC region transportation and development patterns more functional than they are right now.

Would it have been better not to rip out the old streetcar system and further invest in mass transit from the 1950's? Sure. But that didn't happen, so we can either decide today to do something better, or....we can just not do anything and let our gridlock destroy our local economy and a healthier lifestyle.

Huh? Gridlock is the explicit goal of some of these measures.

According to many, the streets are already gridlocked.

But yes, slowing cars down to make our streets safer for everyone is a goal. Are you opposed to that?

The streets are already safe. I see three year olds on bikes. If the streets are not currently safe, then someone needs to arrest these parents for putting their kids in harm's way.

Over 300 crashes on Connecticut Ave in two years is not safe. Sorry, but facts do matter.

Per how many trips?

And how many were the cyclists' fault? I'm guessing the vast majority! Bikers do some really stupid things.

A biker didn't cross six lanes of traffic and kill two people eating lunch on the sidewalk.

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Anonymous wrote:You all realize this is MAMIL back with bike lanes for another 400 pages. Please ignore

MAMILs are the ones who use bike lanes. MAMILs do things like ride out to Leesburg or Frederick on country roads. The people using bike lanes are your neighbors who want to shop or get their kid to school safely.

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