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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

NP. This is why rich kids should integrate low performing schools. It will never happen because most UMC and wealthy are all about opportunity hoarding and only want to appear concerned by placing a social justice sign in their yard. They actually don’t care and won’t work to make DCPS better.

I think that's true. I am an UMC parent who lives in-bounds for a top performing school and I'm not interested in my kids not having the opportunity to attend the top performing school located in the neighborhood that my husband and I worked our asses off to be able to afford, in the name of social justice. I mean, who is? I'm all for making the world a better place blah blah blah, but not at the expense of my child's education or opportunity.

Uh-huh, but ingrained in your deep privilege, Veruca, is the belief that you and your husband somehow work harder than people who live in other parts of town. And there is just no evidence in the record that that is the case, if anything, a woman cleaning houses in Mt. Pleasant works way harder. You might work hard at a desk job - or mommy and day put a nonpayment on your Colonial Village estate, or what have you. But the idea that simply you are wealthy or live in a certain part of town because you work harder is 1) gross and 2) not verifiable.

Wrong. I completely acknowledge my privilege, not that it runs as deep as your comments assume. Now what? How does that help the woman scrubbing floors in Mt. Pleasant? She's welcome to lottery her kids into an affluent school that is better than her neighborhood school the same as anyone else. But I guarantee you, if that woman's kids do make it "out", and end up being able to live somewhere with better schools, they will take full advantage of that situation and will not be clamoring to send their own kids to an underperforming school in the name of social justice.

Great, so you can also play the lottery. Fair is fair.

It sounds like you want to get rid of neighborhood schools. Is that what you are hoping for?

No, I am hoping to strengthen neighborhood MS and HS, by changing boundaries and feeder patterns in a way that promotes diverse by design learning -including economic diversity. It sounds like you want your children to go to school with lots of rich white kids and that you prefer to use your political currency to advocate for "separate but equal schools" which we know never ever happens.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

I know plenty of W7 and W8 kids commuting to attend Shepherd, Deal, JR, and DCI. Why would they not also commute to Lafayette or Janney given the opportunity. There is a way to have equitable access for these schools. Yes, they should not be enrolling over capacity but 100% of the lottery spots should be at risk. Not even 10-15% but 100% of them.

And if you are going to shut out MC kids in Wards 7,8,4, etc. from the lottery, you need to make MC students in some of the wealthier schools (Lafayette, Shepherd, Murch, and now Bancroft, etc.) share the resources that flow with them by integrating schools EOTP. You can draw lines dictated by property values and say the kids on military road a certain section of 16th Street get the golden ticket, and the other section of 16th street or the kids on Piney Branch can never get access to "Wilson for All" because their houses are not worth as much.

Has nothing to do with property values. All schools should have a set aside for at risk student. The ones that are closer to 100% capacity AND have a very low threshold of At-risk should be 100% at risk for any OOB spots until they reach X threshold. It's not that hard.

Lafayette is 2% at risk. They should not be able to accept a student from the lottery that is not designated at-risk until they are 10% or 15% at-risk. This should be for every DCPS neighborhood school at all levels.

Other than that, go to your IB school or one of the many city wide charters if you want school choice. Nobody says there is access to Lafayette for all.

Has everything to do with property values - some of the kids zoned for Lafayette (and Shepherd) could very easily commute to Brightwood or Whittier or Takoma - but because they are wealthy, entitled, and mostly white, they won't commute. Witness the stink about ECE for Lafayette parents. Mayor could have given Military Road school to Brightwood to relieve overcrowding - nope - she offered it to Chevy Chase and they said we would rather die than cross the park. #Facts.

What are you talking about? You are suggesting elementary kids commute 2-4 miles a day one-way for an new in-boundary school? What other DCPS school has the majority of in-boundary families commuting 2-4 miles a day. That is not an "easy" commute.

Well, I live IB for Takoma, and I was assigned a DPR camp in Chevy Chase - it took me 10 minutes in the morning to get there. It was an extremely easy commute. Shepherd to Takoma is about 8 minutes. Easy-peasy.

Summertime traffic is not the same as school year traffic. Also, you didn’t answer the question of where else in DCPS families commute 2-4 miles for an inbound school. Finally, your privilege is showing.

Your numbers do sound pretty wacky. But to answer your question (even with your bad numbers), Bancroft is 3.0 miles from Jackson-Reed. Shepherd is 4.2 miles from Jackson-Reed. Lafayette is 2.0 miles from Jackson-Reed. Shepherd is 1.2 miles from Ida B. Wells. Lafayette is 3 miles from Ida B. Wells.

I commute to an afterschool program twice a week during rush hour to Chevy Chase - it's 15 minutes from Takoma.

Understand your point, but the original poster seemed to be suggesting boundaries should change for elementary schools (referencing Brightwood, Whittier and Takoma). Asking middle school and high school children to commute 4 miles independently is a completely different proposal than asking PreK-5th graders to make that commute with or without family assistance.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

NP. This is why rich kids should integrate low performing schools. It will never happen because most UMC and wealthy are all about opportunity hoarding and only want to appear concerned by placing a social justice sign in their yard. They actually don’t care and won’t work to make DCPS better.

I think that's true. I am an UMC parent who lives in-bounds for a top performing school and I'm not interested in my kids not having the opportunity to attend the top performing school located in the neighborhood that my husband and I worked our asses off to be able to afford, in the name of social justice. I mean, who is? I'm all for making the world a better place blah blah blah, but not at the expense of my child's education or opportunity.

Uh-huh, but ingrained in your deep privilege, Veruca, is the belief that you and your husband somehow work harder than people who live in other parts of town. And there is just no evidence in the record that that is the case, if anything, a woman cleaning houses in Mt. Pleasant works way harder. You might work hard at a desk job - or mommy and day put a nonpayment on your Colonial Village estate, or what have you. But the idea that simply you are wealthy or live in a certain part of town because you work harder is 1) gross and 2) not verifiable.

Wrong. I completely acknowledge my privilege, not that it runs as deep as your comments assume. Now what? How does that help the woman scrubbing floors in Mt. Pleasant? She's welcome to lottery her kids into an affluent school that is better than her neighborhood school the same as anyone else. But I guarantee you, if that woman's kids do make it "out", and end up being able to live somewhere with better schools, they will take full advantage of that situation and will not be clamoring to send their own kids to an underperforming school in the name of social justice.

Great, so you can also play the lottery. Fair is fair.

It sounds like you want to get rid of neighborhood schools. Is that what you are hoping for?

No, I am hoping to strengthen neighborhood MS and HS, by changing boundaries and feeder patterns in a way that promotes diverse by design learning -including economic diversity. It sounds like you want your children to go to school with lots of rich white kids and that you prefer to use your political currency to advocate for "separate but equal schools" which we know never ever happens.

And changing boundaries would work here? You really think UMC people in DC are going to willingly send their kids all over town to subpar schools in the hopes that the presence of their kids strengthens these schools? It's never going to happen. And yes, I am more concerned about my kid than the DCPS school system. Once it doesn't serve me, I'm out.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

NP. This is why rich kids should integrate low performing schools. It will never happen because most UMC and wealthy are all about opportunity hoarding and only want to appear concerned by placing a social justice sign in their yard. They actually don’t care and won’t work to make DCPS better.

I think that's true. I am an UMC parent who lives in-bounds for a top performing school and I'm not interested in my kids not having the opportunity to attend the top performing school located in the neighborhood that my husband and I worked our asses off to be able to afford, in the name of social justice. I mean, who is? I'm all for making the world a better place blah blah blah, but not at the expense of my child's education or opportunity.

Uh-huh, but ingrained in your deep privilege, Veruca, is the belief that you and your husband somehow work harder than people who live in other parts of town. And there is just no evidence in the record that that is the case, if anything, a woman cleaning houses in Mt. Pleasant works way harder. You might work hard at a desk job - or mommy and day put a nonpayment on your Colonial Village estate, or what have you. But the idea that simply you are wealthy or live in a certain part of town because you work harder is 1) gross and 2) not verifiable.

Wrong. I completely acknowledge my privilege, not that it runs as deep as your comments assume. Now what? How does that help the woman scrubbing floors in Mt. Pleasant? She's welcome to lottery her kids into an affluent school that is better than her neighborhood school the same as anyone else. But I guarantee you, if that woman's kids do make it "out", and end up being able to live somewhere with better schools, they will take full advantage of that situation and will not be clamoring to send their own kids to an underperforming school in the name of social justice.

Great, so you can also play the lottery. Fair is fair.

It sounds like you want to get rid of neighborhood schools. Is that what you are hoping for?

No, I am hoping to strengthen neighborhood MS and HS, by changing boundaries and feeder patterns in a way that promotes diverse by design learning -including economic diversity. It sounds like you want your children to go to school with lots of rich white kids and that you prefer to use your political currency to advocate for "separate but equal schools" which we know never ever happens.

And changing boundaries would work here? You really think UMC people in DC are going to willingly send their kids all over town to subpar schools in the hopes that the presence of their kids strengthens these schools? It's never going to happen. And yes, I am more concerned about my kid than the DCPS school system. Once it doesn't serve me, I'm out.

Some will go private (they already do), some will lottery or apply to application-only schools (they already do), and some will go schools 2-4 miles from their home if they strike out. Or they will sell and move (as many already do so they can go to Bethesda-Chevy Chase). Might help with market correction on housing so that more people can buy and live in DC. But enshrining feeder privilege doesn't really serve anybody except your kids and the kids that look like your kids. And if sharing resources is difficult for you - move. Which, by the way, is the same advice you are giving people not IB for Deal/J-R.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

NP. This is why rich kids should integrate low performing schools. It will never happen because most UMC and wealthy are all about opportunity hoarding and only want to appear concerned by placing a social justice sign in their yard. They actually don’t care and won’t work to make DCPS better.

I think that's true. I am an UMC parent who lives in-bounds for a top performing school and I'm not interested in my kids not having the opportunity to attend the top performing school located in the neighborhood that my husband and I worked our asses off to be able to afford, in the name of social justice. I mean, who is? I'm all for making the world a better place blah blah blah, but not at the expense of my child's education or opportunity.

Uh-huh, but ingrained in your deep privilege, Veruca, is the belief that you and your husband somehow work harder than people who live in other parts of town. And there is just no evidence in the record that that is the case, if anything, a woman cleaning houses in Mt. Pleasant works way harder. You might work hard at a desk job - or mommy and day put a nonpayment on your Colonial Village estate, or what have you. But the idea that simply you are wealthy or live in a certain part of town because you work harder is 1) gross and 2) not verifiable.

Wrong. I completely acknowledge my privilege, not that it runs as deep as your comments assume. Now what? How does that help the woman scrubbing floors in Mt. Pleasant? She's welcome to lottery her kids into an affluent school that is better than her neighborhood school the same as anyone else. But I guarantee you, if that woman's kids do make it "out", and end up being able to live somewhere with better schools, they will take full advantage of that situation and will not be clamoring to send their own kids to an underperforming school in the name of social justice.

Great, so you can also play the lottery. Fair is fair.

It sounds like you want to get rid of neighborhood schools. Is that what you are hoping for?

No, I am hoping to strengthen neighborhood MS and HS, by changing boundaries and feeder patterns in a way that promotes diverse by design learning -including economic diversity. It sounds like you want your children to go to school with lots of rich white kids and that you prefer to use your political currency to advocate for "separate but equal schools" which we know never ever happens.

And changing boundaries would work here? You really think UMC people in DC are going to willingly send their kids all over town to subpar schools in the hopes that the presence of their kids strengthens these schools? It's never going to happen. And yes, I am more concerned about my kid than the DCPS school system. Once it doesn't serve me, I'm out.

Some will go private (they already do), some will lottery or apply to application-only schools (they already do), and some will go schools 2-4 miles from their home if they strike out. Or they will sell and move (as many already do so they can go to Bethesda-Chevy Chase). Might help with market correction on housing so that more people can buy and live in DC. But enshrining feeder privilege doesn't really serve anybody except your kids and the kids that look like your kids. And if sharing resources is difficult for you - move. Which, by the way, is the same advice you are giving people not IB for Deal/J-R.

Folks, if you invest all your efforts on proposals that will NEVER happen, then you will get just some marginal boundary changes like what happened 10 years ago.

It could be for all the wrong reasons as you suggest, but what you suggest will NEVER happen. It will be fought tooth-and-nail if it had the slightest inkling of gaining traction, but my bet is that it will never get that far.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

NP. This is why rich kids should integrate low performing schools. It will never happen because most UMC and wealthy are all about opportunity hoarding and only want to appear concerned by placing a social justice sign in their yard. They actually don’t care and won’t work to make DCPS better.

I think that's true. I am an UMC parent who lives in-bounds for a top performing school and I'm not interested in my kids not having the opportunity to attend the top performing school located in the neighborhood that my husband and I worked our asses off to be able to afford, in the name of social justice. I mean, who is? I'm all for making the world a better place blah blah blah, but not at the expense of my child's education or opportunity.

Uh-huh, but ingrained in your deep privilege, Veruca, is the belief that you and your husband somehow work harder than people who live in other parts of town. And there is just no evidence in the record that that is the case, if anything, a woman cleaning houses in Mt. Pleasant works way harder. You might work hard at a desk job - or mommy and day put a nonpayment on your Colonial Village estate, or what have you. But the idea that simply you are wealthy or live in a certain part of town because you work harder is 1) gross and 2) not verifiable.

Wrong. I completely acknowledge my privilege, not that it runs as deep as your comments assume. Now what? How does that help the woman scrubbing floors in Mt. Pleasant? She's welcome to lottery her kids into an affluent school that is better than her neighborhood school the same as anyone else. But I guarantee you, if that woman's kids do make it "out", and end up being able to live somewhere with better schools, they will take full advantage of that situation and will not be clamoring to send their own kids to an underperforming school in the name of social justice.

Great, so you can also play the lottery. Fair is fair.

It sounds like you want to get rid of neighborhood schools. Is that what you are hoping for?

No, I am hoping to strengthen neighborhood MS and HS, by changing boundaries and feeder patterns in a way that promotes diverse by design learning -including economic diversity. It sounds like you want your children to go to school with lots of rich white kids and that you prefer to use your political currency to advocate for "separate but equal schools" which we know never ever happens.

And changing boundaries would work here? You really think UMC people in DC are going to willingly send their kids all over town to subpar schools in the hopes that the presence of their kids strengthens these schools? It's never going to happen. And yes, I am more concerned about my kid than the DCPS school system. Once it doesn't serve me, I'm out.

Some will go private (they already do), some will lottery or apply to application-only schools (they already do), and some will go schools 2-4 miles from their home if they strike out. Or they will sell and move (as many already do so they can go to Bethesda-Chevy Chase). Might help with market correction on housing so that more people can buy and live in DC. But enshrining feeder privilege doesn't really serve anybody except your kids and the kids that look like your kids. And if sharing resources is difficult for you - move. Which, by the way, is the same advice you are giving people not IB for Deal/J-R.

Folks, if you invest all your efforts on proposals that will NEVER happen, then you will get just some marginal boundary changes like what happened 10 years ago.

It could be for all the wrong reasons as you suggest, but what you suggest will NEVER happen. It will be fought tooth-and-nail if it had the slightest inkling of gaining traction, but my bet is that it will never get that far.

Well, if you think Shepherd and Bancroft and the entirety of Lafayette will be staying in the Deal/J-R feeder, you haven't been paying attending to the boundary study/master plan working groups. There will be changes, there may be very long grandfathering plans, but some schools will be routed out of the feeder. It sounds like there will also be caps on OOB students who are not at-risk.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

NP. This is why rich kids should integrate low performing schools. It will never happen because most UMC and wealthy are all about opportunity hoarding and only want to appear concerned by placing a social justice sign in their yard. They actually don’t care and won’t work to make DCPS better.

I think that's true. I am an UMC parent who lives in-bounds for a top performing school and I'm not interested in my kids not having the opportunity to attend the top performing school located in the neighborhood that my husband and I worked our asses off to be able to afford, in the name of social justice. I mean, who is? I'm all for making the world a better place blah blah blah, but not at the expense of my child's education or opportunity.

Uh-huh, but ingrained in your deep privilege, Veruca, is the belief that you and your husband somehow work harder than people who live in other parts of town. And there is just no evidence in the record that that is the case, if anything, a woman cleaning houses in Mt. Pleasant works way harder. You might work hard at a desk job - or mommy and day put a nonpayment on your Colonial Village estate, or what have you. But the idea that simply you are wealthy or live in a certain part of town because you work harder is 1) gross and 2) not verifiable.

Wrong. I completely acknowledge my privilege, not that it runs as deep as your comments assume. Now what? How does that help the woman scrubbing floors in Mt. Pleasant? She's welcome to lottery her kids into an affluent school that is better than her neighborhood school the same as anyone else. But I guarantee you, if that woman's kids do make it "out", and end up being able to live somewhere with better schools, they will take full advantage of that situation and will not be clamoring to send their own kids to an underperforming school in the name of social justice.

Great, so you can also play the lottery. Fair is fair.

It sounds like you want to get rid of neighborhood schools. Is that what you are hoping for?

No, I am hoping to strengthen neighborhood MS and HS, by changing boundaries and feeder patterns in a way that promotes diverse by design learning -including economic diversity. It sounds like you want your children to go to school with lots of rich white kids and that you prefer to use your political currency to advocate for "separate but equal schools" which we know never ever happens.

And changing boundaries would work here? You really think UMC people in DC are going to willingly send their kids all over town to subpar schools in the hopes that the presence of their kids strengthens these schools? It's never going to happen. And yes, I am more concerned about my kid than the DCPS school system. Once it doesn't serve me, I'm out.

Some will go private (they already do), some will lottery or apply to application-only schools (they already do), and some will go schools 2-4 miles from their home if they strike out. Or they will sell and move (as many already do so they can go to Bethesda-Chevy Chase). Might help with market correction on housing so that more people can buy and live in DC. But enshrining feeder privilege doesn't really serve anybody except your kids and the kids that look like your kids. And if sharing resources is difficult for you - move. Which, by the way, is the same advice you are giving people not IB for Deal/J-R.

Folks, if you invest all your efforts on proposals that will NEVER happen, then you will get just some marginal boundary changes like what happened 10 years ago.

It could be for all the wrong reasons as you suggest, but what you suggest will NEVER happen. It will be fought tooth-and-nail if it had the slightest inkling of gaining traction, but my bet is that it will never get that far.

Well, if you think Shepherd and Bancroft and the entirety of Lafayette will be staying in the Deal/J-R feeder, you haven't been paying attending to the boundary study/master plan working groups. There will be changes, there may be very long grandfathering plans, but some schools will be routed out of the feeder. It sounds like there will also be caps on OOB students who are not at-risk.

Bancroft is out but that is like no diversity. 100% Lafayette stays in JR and 100% shepherd stays in JR. The caps won’t happen either. There are too many interconnected people who live in these boundaries. Not gonna happen.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

NP. This is why rich kids should integrate low performing schools. It will never happen because most UMC and wealthy are all about opportunity hoarding and only want to appear concerned by placing a social justice sign in their yard. They actually don’t care and won’t work to make DCPS better.

I think that's true. I am an UMC parent who lives in-bounds for a top performing school and I'm not interested in my kids not having the opportunity to attend the top performing school located in the neighborhood that my husband and I worked our asses off to be able to afford, in the name of social justice. I mean, who is? I'm all for making the world a better place blah blah blah, but not at the expense of my child's education or opportunity.

Uh-huh, but ingrained in your deep privilege, Veruca, is the belief that you and your husband somehow work harder than people who live in other parts of town. And there is just no evidence in the record that that is the case, if anything, a woman cleaning houses in Mt. Pleasant works way harder. You might work hard at a desk job - or mommy and day put a nonpayment on your Colonial Village estate, or what have you. But the idea that simply you are wealthy or live in a certain part of town because you work harder is 1) gross and 2) not verifiable.

Wrong. I completely acknowledge my privilege, not that it runs as deep as your comments assume. Now what? How does that help the woman scrubbing floors in Mt. Pleasant? She's welcome to lottery her kids into an affluent school that is better than her neighborhood school the same as anyone else. But I guarantee you, if that woman's kids do make it "out", and end up being able to live somewhere with better schools, they will take full advantage of that situation and will not be clamoring to send their own kids to an underperforming school in the name of social justice.

Great, so you can also play the lottery. Fair is fair.

It sounds like you want to get rid of neighborhood schools. Is that what you are hoping for?

No, I am hoping to strengthen neighborhood MS and HS, by changing boundaries and feeder patterns in a way that promotes diverse by design learning -including economic diversity. It sounds like you want your children to go to school with lots of rich white kids and that you prefer to use your political currency to advocate for "separate but equal schools" which we know never ever happens.

And changing boundaries would work here? You really think UMC people in DC are going to willingly send their kids all over town to subpar schools in the hopes that the presence of their kids strengthens these schools? It's never going to happen. And yes, I am more concerned about my kid than the DCPS school system. Once it doesn't serve me, I'm out.

Some will go private (they already do), some will lottery or apply to application-only schools (they already do), and some will go schools 2-4 miles from their home if they strike out. Or they will sell and move (as many already do so they can go to Bethesda-Chevy Chase). Might help with market correction on housing so that more people can buy and live in DC. But enshrining feeder privilege doesn't really serve anybody except your kids and the kids that look like your kids. And if sharing resources is difficult for you - move. Which, by the way, is the same advice you are giving people not IB for Deal/J-R.

Folks, if you invest all your efforts on proposals that will NEVER happen, then you will get just some marginal boundary changes like what happened 10 years ago.

It could be for all the wrong reasons as you suggest, but what you suggest will NEVER happen. It will be fought tooth-and-nail if it had the slightest inkling of gaining traction, but my bet is that it will never get that far.

Well, if you think Shepherd and Bancroft and the entirety of Lafayette will be staying in the Deal/J-R feeder, you haven't been paying attending to the boundary study/master plan working groups. There will be changes, there may be very long grandfathering plans, but some schools will be routed out of the feeder. It sounds like there will also be caps on OOB students who are not at-risk.

No….its just that I went through this 10 years ago…all sorts of radical ideas and working groups…seemed like dramatic change was in the cards until it wasnt and just marginal boundary adjustments. Once any of the radical changes seemed like they might happen, the forces with $$$$s got involved and quashed it.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

NP. This is why rich kids should integrate low performing schools. It will never happen because most UMC and wealthy are all about opportunity hoarding and only want to appear concerned by placing a social justice sign in their yard. They actually don’t care and won’t work to make DCPS better.

I think that's true. I am an UMC parent who lives in-bounds for a top performing school and I'm not interested in my kids not having the opportunity to attend the top performing school located in the neighborhood that my husband and I worked our asses off to be able to afford, in the name of social justice. I mean, who is? I'm all for making the world a better place blah blah blah, but not at the expense of my child's education or opportunity.

Uh-huh, but ingrained in your deep privilege, Veruca, is the belief that you and your husband somehow work harder than people who live in other parts of town. And there is just no evidence in the record that that is the case, if anything, a woman cleaning houses in Mt. Pleasant works way harder. You might work hard at a desk job - or mommy and day put a nonpayment on your Colonial Village estate, or what have you. But the idea that simply you are wealthy or live in a certain part of town because you work harder is 1) gross and 2) not verifiable.

Wrong. I completely acknowledge my privilege, not that it runs as deep as your comments assume. Now what? How does that help the woman scrubbing floors in Mt. Pleasant? She's welcome to lottery her kids into an affluent school that is better than her neighborhood school the same as anyone else. But I guarantee you, if that woman's kids do make it "out", and end up being able to live somewhere with better schools, they will take full advantage of that situation and will not be clamoring to send their own kids to an underperforming school in the name of social justice.

Great, so you can also play the lottery. Fair is fair.

It sounds like you want to get rid of neighborhood schools. Is that what you are hoping for?

No, I am hoping to strengthen neighborhood MS and HS, by changing boundaries and feeder patterns in a way that promotes diverse by design learning -including economic diversity. It sounds like you want your children to go to school with lots of rich white kids and that you prefer to use your political currency to advocate for "separate but equal schools" which we know never ever happens.

And changing boundaries would work here? You really think UMC people in DC are going to willingly send their kids all over town to subpar schools in the hopes that the presence of their kids strengthens these schools? It's never going to happen. And yes, I am more concerned about my kid than the DCPS school system. Once it doesn't serve me, I'm out.

Some will go private (they already do), some will lottery or apply to application-only schools (they already do), and some will go schools 2-4 miles from their home if they strike out. Or they will sell and move (as many already do so they can go to Bethesda-Chevy Chase). Might help with market correction on housing so that more people can buy and live in DC. But enshrining feeder privilege doesn't really serve anybody except your kids and the kids that look like your kids. And if sharing resources is difficult for you - move. Which, by the way, is the same advice you are giving people not IB for Deal/J-R.

Folks, if you invest all your efforts on proposals that will NEVER happen, then you will get just some marginal boundary changes like what happened 10 years ago.

It could be for all the wrong reasons as you suggest, but what you suggest will NEVER happen. It will be fought tooth-and-nail if it had the slightest inkling of gaining traction, but my bet is that it will never get that far.

Well, if you think Shepherd and Bancroft and the entirety of Lafayette will be staying in the Deal/J-R feeder, you haven't been paying attending to the boundary study/master plan working groups. There will be changes, there may be very long grandfathering plans, but some schools will be routed out of the feeder. It sounds like there will also be caps on OOB students who are not at-risk.

Bancroft is out but that is like no diversity. 100% Lafayette stays in JR and 100% shepherd stays in JR. The caps won’t happen either. There are too many interconnected people who live in these boundaries. Not gonna happen.

Cute! Crestwood cues the popcorn machine.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

NP. This is why rich kids should integrate low performing schools. It will never happen because most UMC and wealthy are all about opportunity hoarding and only want to appear concerned by placing a social justice sign in their yard. They actually don’t care and won’t work to make DCPS better.

I think that's true. I am an UMC parent who lives in-bounds for a top performing school and I'm not interested in my kids not having the opportunity to attend the top performing school located in the neighborhood that my husband and I worked our asses off to be able to afford, in the name of social justice. I mean, who is? I'm all for making the world a better place blah blah blah, but not at the expense of my child's education or opportunity.

Uh-huh, but ingrained in your deep privilege, Veruca, is the belief that you and your husband somehow work harder than people who live in other parts of town. And there is just no evidence in the record that that is the case, if anything, a woman cleaning houses in Mt. Pleasant works way harder. You might work hard at a desk job - or mommy and day put a nonpayment on your Colonial Village estate, or what have you. But the idea that simply you are wealthy or live in a certain part of town because you work harder is 1) gross and 2) not verifiable.

Wrong. I completely acknowledge my privilege, not that it runs as deep as your comments assume. Now what? How does that help the woman scrubbing floors in Mt. Pleasant? She's welcome to lottery her kids into an affluent school that is better than her neighborhood school the same as anyone else. But I guarantee you, if that woman's kids do make it "out", and end up being able to live somewhere with better schools, they will take full advantage of that situation and will not be clamoring to send their own kids to an underperforming school in the name of social justice.

Great, so you can also play the lottery. Fair is fair.

It sounds like you want to get rid of neighborhood schools. Is that what you are hoping for?

No, I am hoping to strengthen neighborhood MS and HS, by changing boundaries and feeder patterns in a way that promotes diverse by design learning -including economic diversity. It sounds like you want your children to go to school with lots of rich white kids and that you prefer to use your political currency to advocate for "separate but equal schools" which we know never ever happens.

And changing boundaries would work here? You really think UMC people in DC are going to willingly send their kids all over town to subpar schools in the hopes that the presence of their kids strengthens these schools? It's never going to happen. And yes, I am more concerned about my kid than the DCPS school system. Once it doesn't serve me, I'm out.

Some will go private (they already do), some will lottery or apply to application-only schools (they already do), and some will go schools 2-4 miles from their home if they strike out. Or they will sell and move (as many already do so they can go to Bethesda-Chevy Chase). Might help with market correction on housing so that more people can buy and live in DC. But enshrining feeder privilege doesn't really serve anybody except your kids and the kids that look like your kids. And if sharing resources is difficult for you - move. Which, by the way, is the same advice you are giving people not IB for Deal/J-R.

Folks, if you invest all your efforts on proposals that will NEVER happen, then you will get just some marginal boundary changes like what happened 10 years ago.

It could be for all the wrong reasons as you suggest, but what you suggest will NEVER happen. It will be fought tooth-and-nail if it had the slightest inkling of gaining traction, but my bet is that it will never get that far.

Well, if you think Shepherd and Bancroft and the entirety of Lafayette will be staying in the Deal/J-R feeder, you haven't been paying attending to the boundary study/master plan working groups. There will be changes, there may be very long grandfathering plans, but some schools will be routed out of the feeder. It sounds like there will also be caps on OOB students who are not at-risk.

No….its just that I went through this 10 years ago…all sorts of radical ideas and working groups…seemed like dramatic change was in the cards until it wasnt and just marginal boundary adjustments. Once any of the radical changes seemed like they might happen, the forces with $$$$s got involved and quashed it.

BTW so much of DC govt public input is performative. They make it seem like your input is valued and considered…when most is thrown in the trash.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

I know plenty of W7 and W8 kids commuting to attend Shepherd, Deal, JR, and DCI. Why would they not also commute to Lafayette or Janney given the opportunity. There is a way to have equitable access for these schools. Yes, they should not be enrolling over capacity but 100% of the lottery spots should be at risk. Not even 10-15% but 100% of them.

And if you are going to shut out MC kids in Wards 7,8,4, etc. from the lottery, you need to make MC students in some of the wealthier schools (Lafayette, Shepherd, Murch, and now Bancroft, etc.) share the resources that flow with them by integrating schools EOTP. You can draw lines dictated by property values and say the kids on military road a certain section of 16th Street get the golden ticket, and the other section of 16th street or the kids on Piney Branch can never get access to "Wilson for All" because their houses are not worth as much.

Has nothing to do with property values. All schools should have a set aside for at risk student. The ones that are closer to 100% capacity AND have a very low threshold of At-risk should be 100% at risk for any OOB spots until they reach X threshold. It's not that hard.

Lafayette is 2% at risk. They should not be able to accept a student from the lottery that is not designated at-risk until they are 10% or 15% at-risk. This should be for every DCPS neighborhood school at all levels.

Other than that, go to your IB school or one of the many city wide charters if you want school choice. Nobody says there is access to Lafayette for all.

Has everything to do with property values - some of the kids zoned for Lafayette (and Shepherd) could very easily commute to Brightwood or Whittier or Takoma - but because they are wealthy, entitled, and mostly white, they won't commute. Witness the stink about ECE for Lafayette parents. Mayor could have given Military Road school to Brightwood to relieve overcrowding - nope - she offered it to Chevy Chase and they said we would rather die than cross the park. #Facts.

What are you talking about? You are suggesting elementary kids commute 2-4 miles a day one-way for an new in-boundary school? What other DCPS school has the majority of in-boundary families commuting 2-4 miles a day. That is not an "easy" commute.

DP but St Johns area to Brightwood school is 1.7 miles. Hawthorne to Lafayette is 1.5-1.7 miles. Same parts of Hawthorne to Shepherd is 1.6-1.7 miles.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

NP. This is why rich kids should integrate low performing schools. It will never happen because most UMC and wealthy are all about opportunity hoarding and only want to appear concerned by placing a social justice sign in their yard. They actually don’t care and won’t work to make DCPS better.

I think that's true. I am an UMC parent who lives in-bounds for a top performing school and I'm not interested in my kids not having the opportunity to attend the top performing school located in the neighborhood that my husband and I worked our asses off to be able to afford, in the name of social justice. I mean, who is? I'm all for making the world a better place blah blah blah, but not at the expense of my child's education or opportunity.

Uh-huh, but ingrained in your deep privilege, Veruca, is the belief that you and your husband somehow work harder than people who live in other parts of town. And there is just no evidence in the record that that is the case, if anything, a woman cleaning houses in Mt. Pleasant works way harder. You might work hard at a desk job - or mommy and day put a nonpayment on your Colonial Village estate, or what have you. But the idea that simply you are wealthy or live in a certain part of town because you work harder is 1) gross and 2) not verifiable.

Wrong. I completely acknowledge my privilege, not that it runs as deep as your comments assume. Now what? How does that help the woman scrubbing floors in Mt. Pleasant? She's welcome to lottery her kids into an affluent school that is better than her neighborhood school the same as anyone else. But I guarantee you, if that woman's kids do make it "out", and end up being able to live somewhere with better schools, they will take full advantage of that situation and will not be clamoring to send their own kids to an underperforming school in the name of social justice.

Great, so you can also play the lottery. Fair is fair.

It sounds like you want to get rid of neighborhood schools. Is that what you are hoping for?

No, I am hoping to strengthen neighborhood MS and HS, by changing boundaries and feeder patterns in a way that promotes diverse by design learning -including economic diversity. It sounds like you want your children to go to school with lots of rich white kids and that you prefer to use your political currency to advocate for "separate but equal schools" which we know never ever happens.

And changing boundaries would work here? You really think UMC people in DC are going to willingly send their kids all over town to subpar schools in the hopes that the presence of their kids strengthens these schools? It's never going to happen. And yes, I am more concerned about my kid than the DCPS school system. Once it doesn't serve me, I'm out.

Some will go private (they already do), some will lottery or apply to application-only schools (they already do), and some will go schools 2-4 miles from their home if they strike out. Or they will sell and move (as many already do so they can go to Bethesda-Chevy Chase). Might help with market correction on housing so that more people can buy and live in DC. But enshrining feeder privilege doesn't really serve anybody except your kids and the kids that look like your kids. And if sharing resources is difficult for you - move. Which, by the way, is the same advice you are giving people not IB for Deal/J-R.

Folks, if you invest all your efforts on proposals that will NEVER happen, then you will get just some marginal boundary changes like what happened 10 years ago.

It could be for all the wrong reasons as you suggest, but what you suggest will NEVER happen. It will be fought tooth-and-nail if it had the slightest inkling of gaining traction, but my bet is that it will never get that far.

Well, if you think Shepherd and Bancroft and the entirety of Lafayette will be staying in the Deal/J-R feeder, you haven't been paying attending to the boundary study/master plan working groups. There will be changes, there may be very long grandfathering plans, but some schools will be routed out of the feeder. It sounds like there will also be caps on OOB students who are not at-risk.

No….its just that I went through this 10 years ago…all sorts of radical ideas and working groups…seemed like dramatic change was in the cards until it wasnt and just marginal boundary adjustments. Once any of the radical changes seemed like they might happen, the forces with $$$$s got involved and quashed it.

And maybe it was for the better. There is no fire out there. JR was crowded and has since been addressed. Why have monumental changes when that's not what's needed? Once they show new numbers for JR post MacArthur, the only school nearing danger capacity is Wells and Coolidge. No need for any dramatic shake up. Yes, they should cap OOB to non at risk. And I'd like to see OOB feeder to subsequent schools as well as moving out of bound you can only stay at school for current school year.

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Anonymous wrote:Push Shepherd to Coolidge and the south part of the Coolidge catchment further south to the underenrolled schools, just like Hardy is being pushed south to MacA. There are plenty of open seats at existing schools.

Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

NP. This is why rich kids should integrate low performing schools. It will never happen because most UMC and wealthy are all about opportunity hoarding and only want to appear concerned by placing a social justice sign in their yard. They actually don’t care and won’t work to make DCPS better.

I think that's true. I am an UMC parent who lives in-bounds for a top performing school and I'm not interested in my kids not having the opportunity to attend the top performing school located in the neighborhood that my husband and I worked our asses off to be able to afford, in the name of social justice. I mean, who is? I'm all for making the world a better place blah blah blah, but not at the expense of my child's education or opportunity.

Uh-huh, but ingrained in your deep privilege, Veruca, is the belief that you and your husband somehow work harder than people who live in other parts of town. And there is just no evidence in the record that that is the case, if anything, a woman cleaning houses in Mt. Pleasant works way harder. You might work hard at a desk job - or mommy and day put a nonpayment on your Colonial Village estate, or what have you. But the idea that simply you are wealthy or live in a certain part of town because you work harder is 1) gross and 2) not verifiable.

Wrong. I completely acknowledge my privilege, not that it runs as deep as your comments assume. Now what? How does that help the woman scrubbing floors in Mt. Pleasant? She's welcome to lottery her kids into an affluent school that is better than her neighborhood school the same as anyone else. But I guarantee you, if that woman's kids do make it "out", and end up being able to live somewhere with better schools, they will take full advantage of that situation and will not be clamoring to send their own kids to an underperforming school in the name of social justice.

Great, so you can also play the lottery. Fair is fair.

It sounds like you want to get rid of neighborhood schools. Is that what you are hoping for?

No, I am hoping to strengthen neighborhood MS and HS, by changing boundaries and feeder patterns in a way that promotes diverse by design learning -including economic diversity. It sounds like you want your children to go to school with lots of rich white kids and that you prefer to use your political currency to advocate for "separate but equal schools" which we know never ever happens.

And changing boundaries would work here? You really think UMC people in DC are going to willingly send their kids all over town to subpar schools in the hopes that the presence of their kids strengthens these schools? It's never going to happen. And yes, I am more concerned about my kid than the DCPS school system. Once it doesn't serve me, I'm out.

Some will go private (they already do), some will lottery or apply to application-only schools (they already do), and some will go schools 2-4 miles from their home if they strike out. Or they will sell and move (as many already do so they can go to Bethesda-Chevy Chase). Might help with market correction on housing so that more people can buy and live in DC. But enshrining feeder privilege doesn't really serve anybody except your kids and the kids that look like your kids. And if sharing resources is difficult for you - move. Which, by the way, is the same advice you are giving people not IB for Deal/J-R.

Folks, if you invest all your efforts on proposals that will NEVER happen, then you will get just some marginal boundary changes like what happened 10 years ago.

It could be for all the wrong reasons as you suggest, but what you suggest will NEVER happen. It will be fought tooth-and-nail if it had the slightest inkling of gaining traction, but my bet is that it will never get that far.

Well, if you think Shepherd and Bancroft and the entirety of Lafayette will be staying in the Deal/J-R feeder, you haven't been paying attending to the boundary study/master plan working groups. There will be changes, there may be very long grandfathering plans, but some schools will be routed out of the feeder. It sounds like there will also be caps on OOB students who are not at-risk.

No….its just that I went through this 10 years ago…all sorts of radical ideas and working groups…seemed like dramatic change was in the cards until it wasnt and just marginal boundary adjustments. Once any of the radical changes seemed like they might happen, the forces with $$$$s got involved and quashed it.

And maybe it was for the better. There is no fire out there. JR was crowded and has since been addressed. Why have monumental changes when that's not what's needed? Once they show new numbers for JR post MacArthur, the only school nearing danger capacity is Wells and Coolidge. No need for any dramatic shake up. Yes, they should cap OOB to non at risk. And I'd like to see OOB feeder to subsequent schools as well as moving out of bound you can only stay at school for current school year.

Deal is very over-crowded - and some dramatic shake-ups are indeed necessary. Moreover, shake-ups are necessary to improve other schools outside of Ward 3. But you knew that already.

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Or instead of pushing anyone EOTP which the city has clearly stated they don't want, push another school in W3 to Hardy and MacArthur. Easier pull to swallow sending kids to equal performing schools don't you think? Unless you really are determined to make JR and Deal all white.

Push some EOTP students south and you’ll get a higher performing school. Unless you don’t want to go where there are so many OOB kids? Why is that?

I don't live in Shepherd Park but your logic makes zero sense and you know it. Shepherd's 40 kids will make zero difference at Coolidge (already at 100% capacity). So you'd need to send 250 kids from Coolidge to Brookland middle and Dunbar. Then you can send the 40 kids from Shepherd and the 200 kids from Lafayette. Yes. I agree, that could be tenable. But now you got an under-enrolled Deal and JR, same as Hardy and MacArthur. It would make more sense to take some kids from Janney and send them to Hardy and MacArthur.

Also Deal/JR to Hardy/MA, you're more likely to have buy-in. With moving kids from Wells/Coolidge to Brookland/Dunbar and then Deal/JR to Wells/Coolidge, you're pissing off and possibly losing 450 families vs 200 from Janney (or insert W3 neighborhood). Also W3 going to Hardy/MA is as close to even trade as you can get. The other scenario, everyone goes down in quality. Not to mention, you now have an all white Deal/JR.

I’m confused why you think there are only white kids enrolled at Deal feeders WOTP

Janney: 4% Black
Murch: 13% Black
Lafayette: 8% Black
Hearst: 17% Black
Deal: 26% Black
Hardy: 29% Black
DCPS: 57% Black, 22% Hispanic, 17% White

Ok but that still doesn’t add up to an all white Deal and JR.

I’m also very confused why we must insist that schools be the exact same percentages of the city for every school. Are we insisting that schools in Ward 8 take Hispanic kids? Because I don’t think we are.

Is anyone insisting on that? I think they are just pointing out that JR feeders are self segregated, in some cases extremely so.

There is no way to fix that. Houses are 1 million plus. The apartments are accepting vouchers so more at risk kids are getting in to Murch and Hearst. Janney has no apartments and Lafayette has very few. Maybe they should move some of the apartment buildings to those schools.

The only other way to fix it is to blow up neighborhood schools and that is not going to happen.

There absolutely is a way to try to fix it. Janney and Lafayette should not accept one single kid via lottery that is not at-risk. Period. You want extra funding to round out your new 2nd grade bubble class, all 10 of the kids you need to get there have to be at-risk. It's a simple fix. I know someone that got off the list OOB this year at one of the schools that is a very wealthy Crestwood family. That should no longer occur.

As an OOB family at one of those schools, I think it will be difficult to fill at-risk elementary slots. It’s a colossal pain in the ass to schlep your kid across the park every day. Lafayette especially is in the middle of nowhere and poorly served with public transit. Not dissing your idea, but sadly it takes privilege on top of lottery luck to attend these schools OOB.

NP. This is why rich kids should integrate low performing schools. It will never happen because most UMC and wealthy are all about opportunity hoarding and only want to appear concerned by placing a social justice sign in their yard. They actually don’t care and won’t work to make DCPS better.

I think that's true. I am an UMC parent who lives in-bounds for a top performing school and I'm not interested in my kids not having the opportunity to attend the top performing school located in the neighborhood that my husband and I worked our asses off to be able to afford, in the name of social justice. I mean, who is? I'm all for making the world a better place blah blah blah, but not at the expense of my child's education or opportunity.

Uh-huh, but ingrained in your deep privilege, Veruca, is the belief that you and your husband somehow work harder than people who live in other parts of town. And there is just no evidence in the record that that is the case, if anything, a woman cleaning houses in Mt. Pleasant works way harder. You might work hard at a desk job - or mommy and day put a nonpayment on your Colonial Village estate, or what have you. But the idea that simply you are wealthy or live in a certain part of town because you work harder is 1) gross and 2) not verifiable.

Wrong. I completely acknowledge my privilege, not that it runs as deep as your comments assume. Now what? How does that help the woman scrubbing floors in Mt. Pleasant? She's welcome to lottery her kids into an affluent school that is better than her neighborhood school the same as anyone else. But I guarantee you, if that woman's kids do make it "out", and end up being able to live somewhere with better schools, they will take full advantage of that situation and will not be clamoring to send their own kids to an underperforming school in the name of social justice.

Great, so you can also play the lottery. Fair is fair.

It sounds like you want to get rid of neighborhood schools. Is that what you are hoping for?

No, I am hoping to strengthen neighborhood MS and HS, by changing boundaries and feeder patterns in a way that promotes diverse by design learning -including economic diversity. It sounds like you want your children to go to school with lots of rich white kids and that you prefer to use your political currency to advocate for "separate but equal schools" which we know never ever happens.

And changing boundaries would work here? You really think UMC people in DC are going to willingly send their kids all over town to subpar schools in the hopes that the presence of their kids strengthens these schools? It's never going to happen. And yes, I am more concerned about my kid than the DCPS school system. Once it doesn't serve me, I'm out.

Some will go private (they already do), some will lottery or apply to application-only schools (they already do), and some will go schools 2-4 miles from their home if they strike out. Or they will sell and move (as many already do so they can go to Bethesda-Chevy Chase). Might help with market correction on housing so that more people can buy and live in DC. But enshrining feeder privilege doesn't really serve anybody except your kids and the kids that look like your kids. And if sharing resources is difficult for you - move. Which, by the way, is the same advice you are giving people not IB for Deal/J-R.

Folks, if you invest all your efforts on proposals that will NEVER happen, then you will get just some marginal boundary changes like what happened 10 years ago.

It could be for all the wrong reasons as you suggest, but what you suggest will NEVER happen. It will be fought tooth-and-nail if it had the slightest inkling of gaining traction, but my bet is that it will never get that far.

Well, if you think Shepherd and Bancroft and the entirety of Lafayette will be staying in the Deal/J-R feeder, you haven't been paying attending to the boundary study/master plan working groups. There will be changes, there may be very long grandfathering plans, but some schools will be routed out of the feeder. It sounds like there will also be caps on OOB students who are not at-risk.

No….its just that I went through this 10 years ago…all sorts of radical ideas and working groups…seemed like dramatic change was in the cards until it wasnt and just marginal boundary adjustments. Once any of the radical changes seemed like they might happen, the forces with $$$$s got involved and quashed it.

And maybe it was for the better. There is no fire out there. JR was crowded and has since been addressed. Why have monumental changes when that's not what's needed? Once they show new numbers for JR post MacArthur, the only school nearing danger capacity is Wells and Coolidge. No need for any dramatic shake up. Yes, they should cap OOB to non at risk. And I'd like to see OOB feeder to subsequent schools as well as moving out of bound you can only stay at school for current school year.

Deal is very over-crowded - and some dramatic shake-ups are indeed necessary. Moreover, shake-ups are necessary to improve other schools outside of Ward 3. But you knew that already.

Speaking of dramatics...

Deal is not very over crowded.

It's at 101.9% capacity with permanent space and 84% with trailers.

Schools that have higher rates are:
Barnard: 117/79
CHEC: 111/111
Lafayette: 98/98
Oyster (ES) 107/107
Roosevelt (you know the one everyone wants to zone kids to): 137/137
Ross: 92/92
SWW @FS: 100/100
SWW: 114/114 (should we accept fewer students here)?
Shepherd: 92/92
Stoddert: 131/91