Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun

Anonymous
Maybe they also got some recognition for a paper they wrote, a presentation at a conference or a study they did. LOL.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:^ what we need to do is stop trying to save and fix all these broken kids. We need to draw a hard line and pour all our resources into the very youngest. We need support and education for families. We need daycare with trained staff to identify kids in bad homes and get resources to them. We need to fund CPS properly. We need to create a place or places for kids from unsalvageable homes to live safely and with people who can nurture them. We need to start treating the disease not the symptoms.


We need to make abortion legal, easy, free from shame, and free from financial costs.

You think these teens were wanted by their sperm and egg donors?


When having a child gives someone a free apartment and more money in their pocket each month, yes, I do believe that these criminals were wanted as babies.


Free apartments in Forest Hills no less. How many hardworking families in DC would love to have their kids at Murch/Deal/JR but can't afford the area? Rents would have dropped and were in the process of doing so before voucher programs put upward pressure for anyone who pays.

I could not even watch this video. No way should the driver walk the streets for decades, at minimum. RIP to the victim and prayers for his family and friends.

Why are kids who do the right thing and who are not violent never the focus? Why is it always about enabling antisocial, often violent behavior? Who does that serve?
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Things stupid teenagers do: ring doorbells and run away.

Stealing a car and killing a man is sociopathic, and has nothing to do with "not fully formed frontal lobe."


DP. I could even allow stuff such as throwing rocks off of bridges or buildings as maybe falling into the things stupid teens do category (I assume some of them fully understand the potential consequences, but I could also be persuaded that lots of teens are too dumb to realize you can kill people doing that…)

But this is just premeditated murder.


I think what is so scary is that this case isn’t in the gray area of where we need to weigh the defendant’s age vs. culpability. This wasn’t a good kid who stupidly decided to punch someone one time, which accidentally killed the person. Those cases are much harder all around.

But this is such an obvious example of why we allow minors to be tried as adults, that it truly scares me that people purporting to work with criminal youths are making excuses. If this doesn’t rise to the level of “we need to get this person off the streets immediately to protect others,” then what exactly has to happen for a 17 year old to be deemed a danger?


They have an agenda and public safety ain't it.
Anonymous
This is an updated article.

The guy hit was an elderly man riding his bike in the bike lane.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/16/retired-police-chief-was-intentionally-mowed-down-on-bike-by-teen-driver-disturbing-video-shows-hit-his-ass/

The press reported this as a "hit and run" for the last month. The video hit the web and the video is really disturbing.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No person should be judged and condemned forever on the worst act of their lives when they act was committed when they were very young and thus their frontal lobe not fully developed. We know from neuroscience that the brains of teenagers are fundamentally different than the brains of adults. It is far more reprehensible for an fully functioning normal IQ adult to commit a murder than for a teenager to commit a murder.

Throwing people away at 15, 16, 17 just doesn't make sense. Of course there should be accountability, but teenagers have a far greater capacity for rehabilitation than do adult offenders, and we should give them the opportunity. Very few teenage offenders are psychopaths or sociopaths - and we can assess for those that are. The black and white thinking displayed in many of the comments on this board is chilling. You think you know that your teenager is incapable of heinous acts, but you don't in fact know this. Plenty of the teenagers in the juvenile justice system were raised by good parents who instilled good morals. But the human brain is what it is, and in young humans it is highly volatile, impulsive and lacks capacity to appreciate long term consequences. Add to that intoxicating substances and the recipe far too often leads to disaster.

Here is just one story of the capacity for rehabilitation; there are thousands more out there.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/us/philadelphia-larry-miller-edward-white/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/nike-executive-larry-miller-thankful-family-of-man-he-killed-forgives-him.html


If teen offenders can’t be expected to behave like a human being until they’re 40 and low IQ offenders can’t be expected to behave like an human being at all ever (per your comment) then they should be locked up until 40 or forever, respectively, to keep the rest of society safe after they commit one violent crime.

Your heart is bleeding for the wrong people. Start caring about the innocent victims! That’s who we need to protect.


I *DO* care for victims as well as offenders. Unlike most of the self righteous ninnies posting comments to this thread, I have actually spent decades working in the criminal justice system as a victim advocate, defense attorney, prosecutor and dependency/neglect attorney on child neglect/abuse cases. I have doubtless far more education and training on the issues pertinent to this subject than any of you, most of you have merely got opinions that apparently come out of your anuses. I have seen firsthand both the agony AND capacity for forgiveness exhibited by victims and their families. Life is not black and white, it is a million permutations of grey. Again, you think your children are incapable of violent crime. NO CHILD is incapable of violent crime. No adult is incapable of violent crime.

Grow the F up, seriously. Some of you should be deeply ashamed of your infantile thinking.


You are seriously insulting and telling victims of violent crime to "Grow the F up" because they don't have forgiveness for the person who assaulted them? You are human garbage.


Notice derision and aggression is reserved for victims and those who genuinely advocate for them? This poster is just another spath spectrum shrieker bringing a "public health" "evidenced based" lens to juvenile crime.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This is an updated article.

The guy hit was an elderly man riding his bike in the bike lane.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/16/retired-police-chief-was-intentionally-mowed-down-on-bike-by-teen-driver-disturbing-video-shows-hit-his-ass/

The press reported this as a "hit and run" for the last month. The video hit the web and the video is really disturbing.


This is why I don't bike on roads, never mind with my kids. Too many disordered people have watched too much GTA, others are too busy texting to drive safely. Bike lanes of all types are dangerous. Those that have concrete barriers are easy to trap you in for robbery as happened to a friend in broad daylight. Those without concrete barriers are a joke, paint is no protection from a vehicle, nor are plastic sticks.
Anonymous
I would bet my house that this kid had priors for which he should have been locked up. The biker, a retired cop, should be enjoying his retirement.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No person should be judged and condemned forever on the worst act of their lives when they act was committed when they were very young and thus their frontal lobe not fully developed. We know from neuroscience that the brains of teenagers are fundamentally different than the brains of adults. It is far more reprehensible for an fully functioning normal IQ adult to commit a murder than for a teenager to commit a murder.

Throwing people away at 15, 16, 17 just doesn't make sense. Of course there should be accountability, but teenagers have a far greater capacity for rehabilitation than do adult offenders, and we should give them the opportunity. Very few teenage offenders are psychopaths or sociopaths - and we can assess for those that are. The black and white thinking displayed in many of the comments on this board is chilling. You think you know that your teenager is incapable of heinous acts, but you don't in fact know this. Plenty of the teenagers in the juvenile justice system were raised by good parents who instilled good morals. But the human brain is what it is, and in young humans it is highly volatile, impulsive and lacks capacity to appreciate long term consequences. Add to that intoxicating substances and the recipe far too often leads to disaster.

Here is just one story of the capacity for rehabilitation; there are thousands more out there.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/us/philadelphia-larry-miller-edward-white/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/nike-executive-larry-miller-thankful-family-of-man-he-killed-forgives-him.html


If teen offenders can’t be expected to behave like a human being until they’re 40 and low IQ offenders can’t be expected to behave like an human being at all ever (per your comment) then they should be locked up until 40 or forever, respectively, to keep the rest of society safe after they commit one violent crime.

Your heart is bleeding for the wrong people. Start caring about the innocent victims! That’s who we need to protect.


I *DO* care for victims as well as offenders. Unlike most of the self righteous ninnies posting comments to this thread, I have actually spent decades working in the criminal justice system as a victim advocate, defense attorney, prosecutor and dependency/neglect attorney on child neglect/abuse cases. I have doubtless far more education and training on the issues pertinent to this subject than any of you, most of you have merely got opinions that apparently come out of your anuses. I have seen firsthand both the agony AND capacity for forgiveness exhibited by victims and their families. Life is not black and white, it is a million permutations of grey. Again, you think your children are incapable of violent crime. NO CHILD is incapable of violent crime. No adult is incapable of violent crime.

Grow the F up, seriously. Some of you should be deeply ashamed of your infantile thinking.


Were you the victim advocate when my house was broken into by a 13 year old who not only stole money and vandalized my home but broke my cat’s hip? The one who gave me the sob story about this poor child who needed compassion? And so when we went to court we supported community service, only to find out that the kid had a rap sheet several pages long already and the judge wanted him locked up?? Are you that victim advocate? Because it didn’t seem at all to us as though you were advocating for the actual victims at all.
Anonymous
We have more than enough people as it is. Why waste time and resources pretending we can “rehabilitate” those that are irretrievably broken?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:No person should be judged and condemned forever on the worst act of their lives when they act was committed when they were very young and thus their frontal lobe not fully developed. We know from neuroscience that the brains of teenagers are fundamentally different than the brains of adults. It is far more reprehensible for an fully functioning normal IQ adult to commit a murder than for a teenager to commit a murder.

Throwing people away at 15, 16, 17 just doesn't make sense. Of course there should be accountability, but teenagers have a far greater capacity for rehabilitation than do adult offenders, and we should give them the opportunity. Very few teenage offenders are psychopaths or sociopaths - and we can assess for those that are. The black and white thinking displayed in many of the comments on this board is chilling. You think you know that your teenager is incapable of heinous acts, but you don't in fact know this. Plenty of the teenagers in the juvenile justice system were raised by good parents who instilled good morals. But the human brain is what it is, and in young humans it is highly volatile, impulsive and lacks capacity to appreciate long term consequences. Add to that intoxicating substances and the recipe far too often leads to disaster.

Here is just one story of the capacity for rehabilitation; there are thousands more out there.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/us/philadelphia-larry-miller-edward-white/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/nike-executive-larry-miller-thankful-family-of-man-he-killed-forgives-him.html


If teen offenders can’t be expected to behave like a human being until they’re 40 and low IQ offenders can’t be expected to behave like an human being at all ever (per your comment) then they should be locked up until 40 or forever, respectively, to keep the rest of society safe after they commit one violent crime.

Your heart is bleeding for the wrong people. Start caring about the innocent victims! That’s who we need to protect.


I *DO* care for victims as well as offenders. Unlike most of the self righteous ninnies posting comments to this thread, I have actually spent decades working in the criminal justice system as a victim advocate, defense attorney, prosecutor and dependency/neglect attorney on child neglect/abuse cases. I have doubtless far more education and training on the issues pertinent to this subject than any of you, most of you have merely got opinions that apparently come out of your anuses. I have seen firsthand both the agony AND capacity for forgiveness exhibited by victims and their families. Life is not black and white, it is a million permutations of grey. Again, you think your children are incapable of violent crime. NO CHILD is incapable of violent crime. No adult is incapable of violent crime.

Grow the F up, seriously. Some of you should be deeply ashamed of your infantile thinking.


Were you the victim advocate when my house was broken into by a 13 year old who not only stole money and vandalized my home but broke my cat’s hip? The one who gave me the sob story about this poor child who needed compassion? And so when we went to court we supported community service, only to find out that the kid had a rap sheet several pages long already and the judge wanted him locked up?? Are you that victim advocate? Because it didn’t seem at all to us as though you were advocating for the actual victims at all.


DCUM posters will want to give this kid a medal because "cats are nasty."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:We have more than enough people as it is. Why waste time and resources pretending we can “rehabilitate” those that are irretrievably broken?


Alternatively, isn't he doing society a favor by removing some of the excess population?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If this murder had happened here, you know our enlightened DC Council would be making excuses about how the teenage brain is still developing and how we need to build more music recording studios as opposed to jail to keep these poor teenagers busy.


"Road design issue."
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:This is an updated article.

The guy hit was an elderly man riding his bike in the bike lane.

https://nypost.com/2023/09/16/retired-police-chief-was-intentionally-mowed-down-on-bike-by-teen-driver-disturbing-video-shows-hit-his-ass/

The press reported this as a "hit and run" for the last month. The video hit the web and the video is really disturbing.


I'm curious why there was a video at all. They reported a "social media video," and I wonder if a friend of the perp was taking a video.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have more than enough people as it is. Why waste time and resources pretending we can “rehabilitate” those that are irretrievably broken?


Alternatively, isn't he doing society a favor by removing some of the excess population?


Obviously not - unless you prefer to live in a society populated by violent criminals vs old people riding bicycles?

Strange take.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:We have more than enough people as it is. Why waste time and resources pretending we can “rehabilitate” those that are irretrievably broken?


Alternatively, isn't he doing society a favor by removing some of the excess population?


Obviously not - unless you prefer to live in a society populated by violent criminals vs old people riding bicycles?

Strange take.


The working theory on DCUM is that old people are stealing resources from the young. Except in certain cases related to politics.
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