Teens steal a car and run over biker for fun

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:^ what we need to do is stop trying to save and fix all these broken kids. We need to draw a hard line and pour all our resources into the very youngest. We need support and education for families. We need daycare with trained staff to identify kids in bad homes and get resources to them. We need to fund CPS properly. We need to create a place or places for kids from unsalvageable homes to live safely and with people who can nurture them. We need to start treating the disease not the symptoms.

We need to make abortion legal, easy, free from shame, and free from financial costs.

You think these teens were wanted by their sperm and egg donors?

When having a child gives someone a free apartment and more money in their pocket each month, yes, I do believe that these criminals were wanted as babies.

I worked in PG county public health for many years. These babies are absolutely wanted, partly for the reasons above. And neuro diagnoses are also wanted and sought after because that’s more gov’t money for a “disabled” child. It’s wild.

That's sickening.

How I wish it could be changed to: if your kid gets into trouble at ALL before 18, you need to pay it all back, plus interest.

[Anonymous]

Things stupid teenagers do: ring doorbells and run away.

Stealing a car and killing a man is sociopathic, and has nothing to do with "not fully formed frontal lobe."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Things stupid teenagers do: ring doorbells and run away.

Stealing a car and killing a man is sociopathic, and has nothing to do with "not fully formed frontal lobe."

DP. I could even allow stuff such as throwing rocks off of bridges or buildings as maybe falling into the things stupid teens do category (I assume some of them fully understand the potential consequences, but I could also be persuaded that lots of teens are too dumb to realize you can kill people doing that…)

But this is just premeditated murder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things stupid teenagers do: ring doorbells and run away.

Stealing a car and killing a man is sociopathic, and has nothing to do with "not fully formed frontal lobe."

DP. I could even allow stuff such as throwing rocks off of bridges or buildings as maybe falling into the things stupid teens do category (I assume some of them fully understand the potential consequences, but I could also be persuaded that lots of teens are too dumb to realize you can kill people doing that…)

But this is just premeditated murder.

I think what is so scary is that this case isn’t in the gray area of where we need to weigh the defendant’s age vs. culpability. This wasn’t a good kid who stupidly decided to punch someone one time, which accidentally killed the person. Those cases are much harder all around.

But this is such an obvious example of why we allow minors to be tried as adults, that it truly scares me that people purporting to work with criminal youths are making excuses. If this doesn’t rise to the level of “we need to get this person off the streets immediately to protect others,” then what exactly has to happen for a 17 year old to be deemed a danger?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things stupid teenagers do: ring doorbells and run away.

Stealing a car and killing a man is sociopathic, and has nothing to do with "not fully formed frontal lobe."

DP. I could even allow stuff such as throwing rocks off of bridges or buildings as maybe falling into the things stupid teens do category (I assume some of them fully understand the potential consequences, but I could also be persuaded that lots of teens are too dumb to realize you can kill people doing that…)

But this is just premeditated murder.

I think what is so scary is that this case isn’t in the gray area of where we need to weigh the defendant’s age vs. culpability. This wasn’t a good kid who stupidly decided to punch someone one time, which accidentally killed the person. Those cases are much harder all around.

But this is such an obvious example of why we allow minors to be tried as adults, that it truly scares me that people purporting to work with criminal youths are making excuses. If this doesn’t rise to the level of “we need to get this person off the streets immediately to protect others,” then what exactly has to happen for a 17 year old to be deemed a danger?

Agree

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The driver is under 18, there are no serious repercussions for their actions. Juvi for a year, tops.

https://www.8newsnow.com/news/local-news/las-vegas-teenager-facing-murder-charge-after-intentionally-hitting-bicyclist-with-stolen-car-police-say/

The rest of his life should be ruined. If that cyclist was my family member I'd see to it. While he goes on and lives his life I'd make sure everyone knew/remembered what he did.
If he got married I'd stand outside the church/reception with a huge sign calling him a murderer. If he had kids, I'd find out what school his kids go to and make sure every parent at that school knew what "Billy's dad" did.

I don’t know his SES and race but imagine he is more like someone from the projects in the Wire. Unlikely to see him in church lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:^ what we need to do is stop trying to save and fix all these broken kids. We need to draw a hard line and pour all our resources into the very youngest. We need support and education for families. We need daycare with trained staff to identify kids in bad homes and get resources to them. We need to fund CPS properly. We need to create a place or places for kids from unsalvageable homes to live safely and with people who can nurture them. We need to start treating the disease not the symptoms.

We need to make abortion legal, easy, free from shame, and free from financial costs.

You think these teens were wanted by their sperm and egg donors?

When having a child gives someone a free apartment and more money in their pocket each month, yes, I do believe that these criminals were wanted as babies.

I worked in PG county public health for many years. These babies are absolutely wanted, partly for the reasons above. And neuro diagnoses are also wanted and sought after because that’s more gov’t money for a “disabled” child. It’s wild.

That's sickening.

How I wish it could be changed to: if your kid gets into trouble at ALL before 18, you need to pay it all back, plus interest.

Pay back using what?
They are on a govt dole

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things stupid teenagers do: ring doorbells and run away.

Stealing a car and killing a man is sociopathic, and has nothing to do with "not fully formed frontal lobe."

DP. I could even allow stuff such as throwing rocks off of bridges or buildings as maybe falling into the things stupid teens do category (I assume some of them fully understand the potential consequences, but I could also be persuaded that lots of teens are too dumb to realize you can kill people doing that…)

But this is just premeditated murder.

I think what is so scary is that this case isn’t in the gray area of where we need to weigh the defendant’s age vs. culpability. This wasn’t a good kid who stupidly decided to punch someone one time, which accidentally killed the person. Those cases are much harder all around.

But this is such an obvious example of why we allow minors to be tried as adults, that it truly scares me that people purporting to work with criminal youths are making excuses. If this doesn’t rise to the level of “we need to get this person off the streets immediately to protect others,” then what exactly has to happen for a 17 year old to be deemed a danger?

I believe that attacking a government official gets a response. Otherwise, politicians don't care.

[Anonymous]

If this murder had happened here, you know our enlightened DC Council would be making excuses about how the teenage brain is still developing and how we need to build more music recording studios as opposed to jail to keep these poor teenagers busy.

[Anonymous]

Seems like a blatant hate crime.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:No person should be judged and condemned forever on the worst act of their lives when they act was committed when they were very young and thus their frontal lobe not fully developed. We know from neuroscience that the brains of teenagers are fundamentally different than the brains of adults. It is far more reprehensible for an fully functioning normal IQ adult to commit a murder than for a teenager to commit a murder.

Throwing people away at 15, 16, 17 just doesn't make sense. Of course there should be accountability, but teenagers have a far greater capacity for rehabilitation than do adult offenders, and we should give them the opportunity. Very few teenage offenders are psychopaths or sociopaths - and we can assess for those that are. The black and white thinking displayed in many of the comments on this board is chilling. You think you know that your teenager is incapable of heinous acts, but you don't in fact know this. Plenty of the teenagers in the juvenile justice system were raised by good parents who instilled good morals. But the human brain is what it is, and in young humans it is highly volatile, impulsive and lacks capacity to appreciate long term consequences. Add to that intoxicating substances and the recipe far too often leads to disaster.

Here is just one story of the capacity for rehabilitation; there are thousands more out there.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/us/philadelphia-larry-miller-edward-white/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/nike-executive-larry-miller-thankful-family-of-man-he-killed-forgives-him.html

If teen offenders can’t be expected to behave like a human being until they’re 40 and low IQ offenders can’t be expected to behave like an human being at all ever (per your comment) then they should be locked up until 40 or forever, respectively, to keep the rest of society safe after they commit one violent crime.

Your heart is bleeding for the wrong people. Start caring about the innocent victims! That’s who we need to protect.

I *DO* care for victims as well as offenders. Unlike most of the self righteous ninnies posting comments to this thread, I have actually spent decades working in the criminal justice system as a victim advocate, defense attorney, prosecutor and dependency/neglect attorney on child neglect/abuse cases. I have doubtless far more education and training on the issues pertinent to this subject than any of you, most of you have merely got opinions that apparently come out of your anuses. I have seen firsthand both the agony AND capacity for forgiveness exhibited by victims and their families. Life is not black and white, it is a million permutations of grey. Again, you think your children are incapable of violent crime. NO CHILD is incapable of violent crime. No adult is incapable of violent crime.

Grow the F up, seriously. Some of you should be deeply ashamed of your infantile thinking.

You’re a lunatic.

[Anonymous]

I worked in PG county public health for many years. These babies are absolutely wanted, partly for the reasons above. And neuro diagnoses are also wanted and sought after because that’s more gov’t money for a “disabled” child. It’s wild.

I worked in the peds mental health system in Baltimore. These children are often wanted. It can even be a status symbol. Problems start when the babies hit toddler ages. It often goes downhill from there.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:House arrest for life, after some time in prison.

I get by society's standards he will see some incarceration time but let's be honest, this stupid boy spending time with hardened criminals will not help society in the least.

Have you watched the video? It was an intentional, cold-blooded murder committed for absolutely no reason, one of the most heinous crimes I have ever seen or heard of. Calling it “stupid” is appalling, it was way more than this. In a just society, this would be a death penalty offense. The “boy” should be locked up for many decades.

Just societies don't have the death penalty.

Of course they do. And this is precisely the sort of crime that merits it.

Which just societies have the death penalty in 2023?

None because it is immoral, expensive (endless death row appeals) and does not deter violent crime. See Amnesty International’s extensive research and evidence around why the death penalty does not help societies.

I was horrified by the video and was in shocked by the teens’ callous intentional running over of an innocent cyclist. I have no idea if they are criminally insane or just young, reckless and ruthless - only medically qualified people could determine that.

However, state sanctioned murder of the perps will not prevent mental illness/ poor parental guidance or egregious youthful behavior.

There's an easy solution to that-no appeals. Or maybe one.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:No person should be judged and condemned forever on the worst act of their lives when they act was committed when they were very young and thus their frontal lobe not fully developed. We know from neuroscience that the brains of teenagers are fundamentally different than the brains of adults. It is far more reprehensible for an fully functioning normal IQ adult to commit a murder than for a teenager to commit a murder.

Throwing people away at 15, 16, 17 just doesn't make sense. Of course there should be accountability, but teenagers have a far greater capacity for rehabilitation than do adult offenders, and we should give them the opportunity. Very few teenage offenders are psychopaths or sociopaths - and we can assess for those that are. The black and white thinking displayed in many of the comments on this board is chilling. You think you know that your teenager is incapable of heinous acts, but you don't in fact know this. Plenty of the teenagers in the juvenile justice system were raised by good parents who instilled good morals. But the human brain is what it is, and in young humans it is highly volatile, impulsive and lacks capacity to appreciate long term consequences. Add to that intoxicating substances and the recipe far too often leads to disaster.

Here is just one story of the capacity for rehabilitation; there are thousands more out there.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/20/us/philadelphia-larry-miller-edward-white/index.html

https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/21/nike-executive-larry-miller-thankful-family-of-man-he-killed-forgives-him.html

If teen offenders can’t be expected to behave like a human being until they’re 40 and low IQ offenders can’t be expected to behave like an human being at all ever (per your comment) then they should be locked up until 40 or forever, respectively, to keep the rest of society safe after they commit one violent crime.

Your heart is bleeding for the wrong people. Start caring about the innocent victims! That’s who we need to protect.

I *DO* care for victims as well as offenders. Unlike most of the self righteous ninnies posting comments to this thread, I have actually spent decades working in the criminal justice system as a victim advocate, defense attorney, prosecutor and dependency/neglect attorney on child neglect/abuse cases. I have doubtless far more education and training on the issues pertinent to this subject than any of you, most of you have merely got opinions that apparently come out of your anuses. I have seen firsthand both the agony AND capacity for forgiveness exhibited by victims and their families. Life is not black and white, it is a million permutations of grey. Again, you think your children are incapable of violent crime. NO CHILD is incapable of violent crime. No adult is incapable of violent crime.

Grow the F up, seriously. Some of you should be deeply ashamed of your infantile thinking.

You are seriously insulting and telling victims of violent crime to "Grow the F up" because they don't have forgiveness for the person who assaulted them? You are human garbage.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Things stupid teenagers do: ring doorbells and run away.

Stealing a car and killing a man is sociopathic, and has nothing to do with "not fully formed frontal lobe."

DP. I could even allow stuff such as throwing rocks off of bridges or buildings as maybe falling into the things stupid teens do category (I assume some of them fully understand the potential consequences, but I could also be persuaded that lots of teens are too dumb to realize you can kill people doing that…)

But this is just premeditated murder.

I think what is so scary is that this case isn’t in the gray area of where we need to weigh the defendant’s age vs. culpability. This wasn’t a good kid who stupidly decided to punch someone one time, which accidentally killed the person. Those cases are much harder all around.

But this is such an obvious example of why we allow minors to be tried as adults, that it truly scares me that people purporting to work with criminal youths are making excuses. If this doesn’t rise to the level of “we need to get this person off the streets immediately to protect others,” then what exactly has to happen for a 17 year old to be deemed a danger?

I’m with you. Scared and shocked. Don’t forget, it’s this person’s job. Of course he/she is going to make excuses for these kids as he/she has dedicated their career to this utter BS