Disruptive student in class

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
So let me tell you what you do.

You can't do anything if this kid hits someone who is not your child.

But the second this child hits your kid, and your kid reports it to you after school, YOU CALL 911 to report an assault.

I've been in MCPS for years, and have followed all the major assault cases (mostly in high schools). Families who relied on the school found that evidence was destroyed, witnesses were tampered with and justice was delayed. It's not that school employees want to hurt victims. It's that MCPS regulations are not built for assault cases. Families who called 911 and reported an assault to police immediately made the system work for them. Bypass MCPS completely. They will be forced to comply with the law.

I probably wouldn't call 911 (not an emergency), but I would call the police and make a report. I want documentation. And I agree that MCPS will cover up as much as possible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So let me tell you what you do.

You can't do anything if this kid hits someone who is not your child.

But the second this child hits your kid, and your kid reports it to you after school, YOU CALL 911 to report an assault.

I've been in MCPS for years, and have followed all the major assault cases (mostly in high schools). Families who relied on the school found that evidence was destroyed, witnesses were tampered with and justice was delayed. It's not that school employees want to hurt victims. It's that MCPS regulations are not built for assault cases. Families who called 911 and reported an assault to police immediately made the system work for them. Bypass MCPS completely. They will be forced to comply with the law.

I probably wouldn't call 911 (not an emergency), but I would call the police and make a report. I want documentation. And I agree that MCPS will cover up as much as possible.

Okay, mama-bear. You pull that on my 8-year old? I would FOIA your 911 call or police report and send it to your employer and other interested parties. Not all hitters have powerless parents, Karen. We can play hardball too.

Have a real, hard think about this, folks. Kids have hit other kids, at school, for all time. Were you all homeschooled? These kids weren't all expelled or cast off to the asylum. They don't all turn into mass shooters. Your kid may be a concussion or divorce away from being the hitter next year.

Violence is unacceptable at school. You can teach your kid that lesson while maintaining some perspective and not assuming that the worst-case scenario is inevitable.

Want to know what'd be really disruptive to your kid? Making them change classes on the third day of school. Calling the cops on a fight with another pre-pubescent kid. Those would surely be things they'd remember forever, long after they forget about that kid in fourth-grade who hit another kid. They'd remember you made that choice and the message it sent about how you feel about kids who are different.

Perhaps consider this an opportunity to connect with your kid. To empower them, even. Talk to them. Validate their feelings. Ask what precipitated the incidents. Discuss the different reasons why kids may hit other kids, in an age-appropriate way. Discuss how they can help support classmates who are struggling and ways they can deescalate difficult moments and keep themselves safe.

Our kids will live and work in a far more inclusive world than ours. Their success will rely on their emotional intelligence, resilience and the ability to thrive around people from different backgrounds and diverse perspectives. Consider how your choices are preparing them for that world.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So let me tell you what you do.

You can't do anything if this kid hits someone who is not your child.

But the second this child hits your kid, and your kid reports it to you after school, YOU CALL 911 to report an assault.

I've been in MCPS for years, and have followed all the major assault cases (mostly in high schools). Families who relied on the school found that evidence was destroyed, witnesses were tampered with and justice was delayed. It's not that school employees want to hurt victims. It's that MCPS regulations are not built for assault cases. Families who called 911 and reported an assault to police immediately made the system work for them. Bypass MCPS completely. They will be forced to comply with the law.

I probably wouldn't call 911 (not an emergency), but I would call the police and make a report. I want documentation. And I agree that MCPS will cover up as much as possible.

Okay, mama-bear. You pull that on my 8-year old? I would FOIA your 911 call or police report and send it to your employer and other interested parties. Not all hitters have powerless parents, Karen. We can play hardball too.

Have a real, hard think about this, folks. Kids have hit other kids, at school, for all time. Were you all homeschooled? These kids weren't all expelled or cast off to the asylum. They don't all turn into mass shooters. Your kid may be a concussion or divorce away from being the hitter next year.

Violence is unacceptable at school. You can teach your kid that lesson while maintaining some perspective and not assuming that the worst-case scenario is inevitable.

Want to know what'd be really disruptive to your kid? Making them change classes on the third day of school. Calling the cops on a fight with another pre-pubescent kid. Those would surely be things they'd remember forever, long after they forget about that kid in fourth-grade who hit another kid. They'd remember you made that choice and the message it sent about how you feel about kids who are different.

Perhaps consider this an opportunity to connect with your kid. To empower them, even. Talk to them. Validate their feelings. Ask what precipitated the incidents. Discuss the different reasons why kids may hit other kids, in an age-appropriate way. Discuss how they can help support classmates who are struggling and ways they can deescalate difficult moments and keep themselves safe.

Our kids will live and work in a far more inclusive world than ours. Their success will rely on their emotional intelligence, resilience and the ability to thrive around people from different backgrounds and diverse perspectives. Consider how your choices are preparing them for that world.

Yes police and lawyers will get involved if my kid is harmed. Be responsible for your own kid.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When did public school turn into some sort of mental health / disability treatment facility?

This is the issue.

[Anonymous]

Any parent who knowingly puts a violent kid in a regular classroom should be investigated.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So let me tell you what you do.

You can't do anything if this kid hits someone who is not your child.

But the second this child hits your kid, and your kid reports it to you after school, YOU CALL 911 to report an assault.

I've been in MCPS for years, and have followed all the major assault cases (mostly in high schools). Families who relied on the school found that evidence was destroyed, witnesses were tampered with and justice was delayed. It's not that school employees want to hurt victims. It's that MCPS regulations are not built for assault cases. Families who called 911 and reported an assault to police immediately made the system work for them. Bypass MCPS completely. They will be forced to comply with the law.

I probably wouldn't call 911 (not an emergency), but I would call the police and make a report. I want documentation. And I agree that MCPS will cover up as much as possible.

Okay, mama-bear. You pull that on my 8-year old? I would FOIA your 911 call or police report and send it to your employer and other interested parties. Not all hitters have powerless parents, Karen. We can play hardball too.

Have a real, hard think about this, folks. Kids have hit other kids, at school, for all time. Were you all homeschooled? These kids weren't all expelled or cast off to the asylum. They don't all turn into mass shooters. Your kid may be a concussion or divorce away from being the hitter next year.

Violence is unacceptable at school. You can teach your kid that lesson while maintaining some perspective and not assuming that the worst-case scenario is inevitable.

Want to know what'd be really disruptive to your kid? Making them change classes on the third day of school. Calling the cops on a fight with another pre-pubescent kid. Those would surely be things they'd remember forever, long after they forget about that kid in fourth-grade who hit another kid. They'd remember you made that choice and the message it sent about how you feel about kids who are different.

Perhaps consider this an opportunity to connect with your kid. To empower them, even. Talk to them. Validate their feelings. Ask what precipitated the incidents. Discuss the different reasons why kids may hit other kids, in an age-appropriate way. Discuss how they can help support classmates who are struggling and ways they can deescalate difficult moments and keep themselves safe.

Our kids will live and work in a far more inclusive world than ours. Their success will rely on their emotional intelligence, resilience and the ability to thrive around people from different backgrounds and diverse perspectives. Consider how your choices are preparing them for that world.

Oooooohhj you would FOIA! How scary!
Wrong law of course and who cares? My employer could
care less about my kids school.

My kid is supposed to get a counseling degree in first grade to learn how to handle unprovoked attacks?

How does my child deescalate being bitten on the back in a surprise attack? Was my child not thinking happy thoughts and deserved to be bitten?

You want my child to accept being assaulted in the name of diversity?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this child actually disruptive in a way that results in missed instruction or is the hitting a light hit like how toddlers sometimes steal toys from each other by hitting?

There are kids who are years behind in maturity and may not be able to communicate with words. This happened in our pre-K classroom all the time and all those kids grew up to be nice, gentle kids. A child with a disability may just be behind a few years.

When DD was in preschool, she said she didn’t want to go to another child’s party because he always hurt her. That was the first I had heard of the problem, so I started asking her every day if anyone hurt her. One day she reported that she’d been kicked, but it was okay because it didn’t hurt much. I had to explain that somebody physically attacking her was NOT okay, even if they didn’t seriously injure her.

Even if an actual toddler was “lightly” hitting the other child, I think it would cause the child being hit to miss instruction. Moreover, “light” or not, nobody should be taught that they need to accept other people attacking them.

A toddler "missing instruction"? Look lady I got reports several times a month that kids hit DD in preschool. They were always different kids. Maybe one of them is yours. It is completely normal and it's almost always to get a toy. The teachers did work hard to impose some discipline and educate the kids that this is not acceptable and all those kids were all great by K. Obviously some kids are delayed in their behavior and may continue to do this in elementary but it does not mean they have special needs.
I am not talking about the kids who are really out of control.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So let me tell you what you do.

You can't do anything if this kid hits someone who is not your child.

But the second this child hits your kid, and your kid reports it to you after school, YOU CALL 911 to report an assault.

I've been in MCPS for years, and have followed all the major assault cases (mostly in high schools). Families who relied on the school found that evidence was destroyed, witnesses were tampered with and justice was delayed. It's not that school employees want to hurt victims. It's that MCPS regulations are not built for assault cases. Families who called 911 and reported an assault to police immediately made the system work for them. Bypass MCPS completely. They will be forced to comply with the law.

I probably wouldn't call 911 (not an emergency), but I would call the police and make a report. I want documentation. And I agree that MCPS will cover up as much as possible.

Okay, mama-bear. You pull that on my 8-year old? I would FOIA your 911 call or police report and send it to your employer and other interested parties. Not all hitters have powerless parents, Karen. We can play hardball too.

Have a real, hard think about this, folks. Kids have hit other kids, at school, for all time. Were you all homeschooled? These kids weren't all expelled or cast off to the asylum. They don't all turn into mass shooters. Your kid may be a concussion or divorce away from being the hitter next year.

Violence is unacceptable at school. You can teach your kid that lesson while maintaining some perspective and not assuming that the worst-case scenario is inevitable.

Want to know what'd be really disruptive to your kid? Making them change classes on the third day of school. Calling the cops on a fight with another pre-pubescent kid. Those would surely be things they'd remember forever, long after they forget about that kid in fourth-grade who hit another kid. They'd remember you made that choice and the message it sent about how you feel about kids who are different.

Perhaps consider this an opportunity to connect with your kid. To empower them, even. Talk to them. Validate their feelings. Ask what precipitated the incidents. Discuss the different reasons why kids may hit other kids, in an age-appropriate way. Discuss how they can help support classmates who are struggling and ways they can deescalate difficult moments and keep themselves safe.

Our kids will live and work in a far more inclusive world than ours. Their success will rely on their emotional intelligence, resilience and the ability to thrive around people from different backgrounds and diverse perspectives. Consider how your choices are preparing them for that world.

Oooooohhj you would FOIA! How scary!
Wrong law of course and who cares? My employer could
care less about my kids school.

My kid is supposed to get a counseling degree in first grade to learn how to handle unprovoked attacks?

How does my child deescalate being bitten on the back in a surprise attack? Was my child not thinking happy thoughts and deserved to be bitten?

You want my child to accept being assaulted in the name of diversity?

It seems like Child Services and not the police is the appropriate call if PP really believes that a kid should just take a beating

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So let me tell you what you do.

You can't do anything if this kid hits someone who is not your child.

But the second this child hits your kid, and your kid reports it to you after school, YOU CALL 911 to report an assault.

I've been in MCPS for years, and have followed all the major assault cases (mostly in high schools). Families who relied on the school found that evidence was destroyed, witnesses were tampered with and justice was delayed. It's not that school employees want to hurt victims. It's that MCPS regulations are not built for assault cases. Families who called 911 and reported an assault to police immediately made the system work for them. Bypass MCPS completely. They will be forced to comply with the law.

I probably wouldn't call 911 (not an emergency), but I would call the police and make a report. I want documentation. And I agree that MCPS will cover up as much as possible.

I would think twice about calling the police. They will want to interview your child and that would be traumatic and teach the wrong lesson that they should solve every conflict by reacting in an extreme way.

Okay, mama-bear. You pull that on my 8-year old? I would FOIA your 911 call or police report and send it to your employer and other interested parties. Not all hitters have powerless parents, Karen. We can play hardball too.

Have a real, hard think about this, folks. Kids have hit other kids, at school, for all time. Were you all homeschooled? These kids weren't all expelled or cast off to the asylum. They don't all turn into mass shooters. Your kid may be a concussion or divorce away from being the hitter next year.

Violence is unacceptable at school. You can teach your kid that lesson while maintaining some perspective and not assuming that the worst-case scenario is inevitable.

Want to know what'd be really disruptive to your kid? Making them change classes on the third day of school. Calling the cops on a fight with another pre-pubescent kid. Those would surely be things they'd remember forever, long after they forget about that kid in fourth-grade who hit another kid. They'd remember you made that choice and the message it sent about how you feel about kids who are different.

Perhaps consider this an opportunity to connect with your kid. To empower them, even. Talk to them. Validate their feelings. Ask what precipitated the incidents. Discuss the different reasons why kids may hit other kids, in an age-appropriate way. Discuss how they can help support classmates who are struggling and ways they can deescalate difficult moments and keep themselves safe.

Our kids will live and work in a far more inclusive world than ours. Their success will rely on their emotional intelligence, resilience and the ability to thrive around people from different backgrounds and diverse perspectives. Consider how your choices are preparing them for that world.

Yes police and lawyers will get involved if my kid is harmed. Be responsible for your own kid.

[Anonymous]

IMO I would think twice about calling the police. They will want to interview your child and that would be traumatic and teach the wrong lesson that they should solve every conflict by reacting in an extreme way.

[Anonymous]

I just want to make a plea in approaching these situations with empathy for the child who is doing the hitting.
Hitting is never okay but you never know what is going on behind the scenes. A child who was hitting kids in DC's classroom one year had a parent who died. I also know of one child whose parents are really good parents and they immediately got doctors and other specialists to help and the school was doing everything it could to provide support. They were doing observations, behavior plans, medication, etc. One time I saw the mother out and she had bruises all over her face from the child hitting her too. Having someone call the police or CPS would have made things so much worse.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is this child actually disruptive in a way that results in missed instruction or is the hitting a light hit like how toddlers sometimes steal toys from each other by hitting?

There are kids who are years behind in maturity and may not be able to communicate with words. This happened in our pre-K classroom all the time and all those kids grew up to be nice, gentle kids. A child with a disability may just be behind a few years.

When DD was in preschool, she said she didn’t want to go to another child’s party because he always hurt her. That was the first I had heard of the problem, so I started asking her every day if anyone hurt her. One day she reported that she’d been kicked, but it was okay because it didn’t hurt much. I had to explain that somebody physically attacking her was NOT okay, even if they didn’t seriously injure her.

Even if an actual toddler was “lightly” hitting the other child, I think it would cause the child being hit to miss instruction. Moreover, “light” or not, nobody should be taught that they need to accept other people attacking them.

A toddler "missing instruction"? Look lady I got reports several times a month that kids hit DD in preschool. They were always different kids. Maybe one of them is yours. It is completely normal and it's almost always to get a toy. The teachers did work hard to impose some discipline and educate the kids that this is not acceptable and all those kids were all great by K. Obviously some kids are delayed in their behavior and may continue to do this in elementary but it does not mean they have special needs.
I am not talking about the kids who are really out of control.

“Look lady” yourself. Yes, that is normal behavior in preschool, but we don’t have toddlers in elementary classrooms, in part because they would be disruptive. I didn’t say anything about special needs, that was the previous poster. I was responding to the idea that “hitting a light hit like how toddlers sometimes steal toys from each other by hitting” wasn’t “actually disruptive in a way that results in missed instruction”.

Regardless of whether the child doing the hitting is hitting lightly, is special needs, or grows up to be a nice, gentle kid, is irrelevant to the fact that being hit is a distraction from learning. Moreover, it is unconscionable to teach children that it is acceptable for them to be assaulted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
So let me tell you what you do.

You can't do anything if this kid hits someone who is not your child.

But the second this child hits your kid, and your kid reports it to you after school, YOU CALL 911 to report an assault.

I've been in MCPS for years, and have followed all the major assault cases (mostly in high schools). Families who relied on the school found that evidence was destroyed, witnesses were tampered with and justice was delayed. It's not that school employees want to hurt victims. It's that MCPS regulations are not built for assault cases. Families who called 911 and reported an assault to police immediately made the system work for them. Bypass MCPS completely. They will be forced to comply with the law.

I probably wouldn't call 911 (not an emergency), but I would call the police and make a report. I want documentation. And I agree that MCPS will cover up as much as possible.

Okay, mama-bear. You pull that on my 8-year old? I would FOIA your 911 call or police report and send it to your employer and other interested parties. Not all hitters have powerless parents, Karen. We can play hardball too.

Have a real, hard think about this, folks. Kids have hit other kids, at school, for all time. Were you all homeschooled? These kids weren't all expelled or cast off to the asylum. They don't all turn into mass shooters. Your kid may be a concussion or divorce away from being the hitter next year.

Violence is unacceptable at school. You can teach your kid that lesson while maintaining some perspective and not assuming that the worst-case scenario is inevitable.

Want to know what'd be really disruptive to your kid? Making them change classes on the third day of school. Calling the cops on a fight with another pre-pubescent kid. Those would surely be things they'd remember forever, long after they forget about that kid in fourth-grade who hit another kid. They'd remember you made that choice and the message it sent about how you feel about kids who are different.

Perhaps consider this an opportunity to connect with your kid. To empower them, even. Talk to them. Validate their feelings. Ask what precipitated the incidents. Discuss the different reasons why kids may hit other kids, in an age-appropriate way. Discuss how they can help support classmates who are struggling and ways they can deescalate difficult moments and keep themselves safe.

Our kids will live and work in a far more inclusive world than ours. Their success will rely on their emotional intelligence, resilience and the ability to thrive around people from different backgrounds and diverse perspectives. Consider how your choices are preparing them for that world.

We empowered our DDs by teaching them to defend themselves, that they will not be simply a victim of a child who can’t control themselves.
Consider this in third grade in the cafeteria when the class’ little terror tried to assault her, DD knocked out two of her teeth and gave her a bloody nose, with one punch. The school backed our daughter as the whole thing was on video. Not long after the parents of the other girl pulled her from the school. All was well.
Teach your kids to defend themselves and NOT TO SUBMIT TO BEING VICTIMS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Anyone here have any experience with a 8/9 year old "hitter" in their child's class? This boy has hit other classmates the previous school year in 3rd grade, as reported to me by my child, and now on first day back yesterday has slapped a classmate in the face. And he stayed in the class, not sent to the office. Is this acceptable and normal at mcps? It is unknown to me what triggers this child. It frightens me honestly.

Normal in mcps - it's part of character building.

We had an issue like this at our school, but they were able to use RJ to set the kid straight. Problem was solved.

[Anonymous]

If a teacher tries to report the admin will blame and try to get rid of the teacher for not being able to manage the classroom