Disruptive student in class

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home

You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.

You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.

Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).

Why is this the school’s problem?

Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.

Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?

It doesn’t make sense at all. Clearly this student needs help. The online model is substantially more limited in the services and supports that can be effectively provided. And provides fewer educational opportunities in areas that appear to be of particular need for this student, such as social/peer interaction.

Online education would allow the child to succeed rather than fail.

Almost certainly not, given that they wouldn’t be able to receive the services and supports that they obviously need to develop important academic and life skills.

Education can be delivered online.

The services and support you think they need are not school and do not need to happen there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Everyone is still assuming the child in OP’s story has SN with no basis for that assumption.

It’s an 8/9 year old boy. Realistically, it’s a pretty safe assumption, even if it’s “just” ADHD.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is this child actually disruptive in a way that results in missed instruction or is the hitting a light hit like how toddlers sometimes steal toys from each other by hitting?

There are kids who are years behind in maturity and may not be able to communicate with words. This happened in our pre-K classroom all the time and all those kids grew up to be nice, gentle kids. A child with a disability may just be behind a few years.

When DD was in preschool, she said she didn’t want to go to another child’s party because he always hurt her. That was the first I had heard of the problem, so I started asking her every day if anyone hurt her. One day she reported that she’d been kicked, but it was okay because it didn’t hurt much. I had to explain that somebody physically attacking her was NOT okay, even if they didn’t seriously injure her.

Even if an actual toddler was “lightly” hitting the other child, I think it would cause the child being hit to miss instruction. Moreover, “light” or not, nobody should be taught that they need to accept other people attacking them.

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Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home

You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.

You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.

Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).

Why is this the school’s problem?

Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.

Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?

It doesn’t make sense at all. Clearly this student needs help. The online model is substantially more limited in the services and supports that can be effectively provided. And provides fewer educational opportunities in areas that appear to be of particular need for this student, such as social/peer interaction.

Online education would allow the child to succeed rather than fail.

Almost certainly not, given that they wouldn’t be able to receive the services and supports that they obviously need to develop important academic and life skills.

Education can be delivered online.

The services and support you think they need are not school and do not need to happen there.

Again, luckily people like you don’t create educational policy or law, because it certainly is the school’s responsibility to provide services and supports. Regardless of whether or not they have to be provided at school (which, per LRE in IDEA, they basically do), they can’t be effectively provided virtually.

I suppose there are some parents that would be OK with private placement. So if, as you seem to be saying, the school is unable to accommodate the needs of this student, they could go to a private school. But public school districts really don’t like paying for private placement.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Why is there nowhere else to stick these kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home

You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.

You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.

Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).

Why is this the school’s problem?

Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.

Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?

It doesn’t make sense at all. Clearly this student needs help. The online model is substantially more limited in the services and supports that can be effectively provided. And provides fewer educational opportunities in areas that appear to be of particular need for this student, such as social/peer interaction.

Online education would allow the child to succeed rather than fail.

Almost certainly not, given that they wouldn’t be able to receive the services and supports that they obviously need to develop important academic and life skills.

Education can be delivered online.

The services and support you think they need are not school and do not need to happen there.

Again, luckily people like you don’t create educational policy or law, because it certainly is the school’s responsibility to provide services and supports. Regardless of whether or not they have to be provided at school (which, per LRE in IDEA, they basically do), they can’t be effectively provided virtually.

I suppose there are some parents that would be OK with private placement. So if, as you seem to be saying, the school is unable to accommodate the needs of this student, they could go to a private school. But public school districts really don’t like paying for private placement.

Why can’t a therapist just do weekly home visits?

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Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home

You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.

You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.

Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).

Why is this the school’s problem?

Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.

Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?

It doesn’t make sense at all. Clearly this student needs help. The online model is substantially more limited in the services and supports that can be effectively provided. And provides fewer educational opportunities in areas that appear to be of particular need for this student, such as social/peer interaction.

Online education would allow the child to succeed rather than fail.

Almost certainly not, given that they wouldn’t be able to receive the services and supports that they obviously need to develop important academic and life skills.

Education can be delivered online.

The services and support you think they need are not school and do not need to happen there.

Again, luckily people like you don’t create educational policy or law, because it certainly is the school’s responsibility to provide services and supports. Regardless of whether or not they have to be provided at school (which, per LRE in IDEA, they basically do), they can’t be effectively provided virtually.

I suppose there are some parents that would be OK with private placement. So if, as you seem to be saying, the school is unable to accommodate the needs of this student, they could go to a private school. But public school districts really don’t like paying for private placement.

Why can’t a therapist just do weekly home visits?

Because that’s not this student needs to access the curriculum and make appropriate progress in social/emotional skills. If you're being honest with yourself, you don't actually think once/twice a week visits from a therapist would give him the skills to go into classroom with his peers without support, right? The environment is completely different , and there wouldn't even be a way to reasonably simulate an environment where he could develop and practice the necessary skills.

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Anonymous wrote:Every kid who disrupts class should be moved into online-only classes and stay home

You are a horrible human being. A young child that is unable to control their impulses and has behavior issues has a disability. They are not behaving poorly on purpose. Luckily children with disabilities have a right to the same public education as their non disabled peers. The solution is not to punish the child or remove the child from society; the solution is to provide the necessary support and medical assistance that the child requires.

You are a horrible human being for forcing the child into a classroom and setting him up for failure.

The child can learn how to control his impulses and THEN return to the classroom.

Until then, online school is a fantastic alternative option.

Luckily that’s not how IDEA works. Does it sound like there’s a legitimate problem? Absolutely. The school should bring in additional support to the classroom. The parents of neurotypical kids in this thread should be pushing the school district to do that, rather than sending this unsupported child with a presumed developmental disability home (or, as one poster suggested, jail).

Why is this the school’s problem?

Because they have an obligation to educate children, even those with special needs, in the least restrictive environment. And based on the offensive and ignorant comments in this thread, I'm very glad this obligation is ingrained in state and federal law.

Why are you dismissing online education when it actually makes the most sense?

It doesn’t make sense at all. Clearly this student needs help. The online model is substantially more limited in the services and supports that can be effectively provided. And provides fewer educational opportunities in areas that appear to be of particular need for this student, such as social/peer interaction.

Online education would allow the child to succeed rather than fail.

Almost certainly not, given that they wouldn’t be able to receive the services and supports that they obviously need to develop important academic and life skills.

Education can be delivered online.

The services and support you think they need are not school and do not need to happen there.

Again, luckily people like you don’t create educational policy or law, because it certainly is the school’s responsibility to provide services and supports. Regardless of whether or not they have to be provided at school (which, per LRE in IDEA, they basically do), they can’t be effectively provided virtually.

I suppose there are some parents that would be OK with private placement. So if, as you seem to be saying, the school is unable to accommodate the needs of this student, they could go to a private school. But public school districts really don’t like paying for private placement.

Why can’t a therapist just do weekly home visits?

And, of course, mandatory virtual instruction is about as far away from LRE as you can get, so it would clearly be illegal. At least, without exhausting other options.

[Anonymous]

My takeaway from all this is that public school is in big trouble.

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is still assuming the child in OP’s story has SN with no basis for that assumption.

It’s an 8/9 year old boy. Realistically, it’s a pretty safe assumption, even if it’s “just” ADHD.

The nine yr old boy who beat up other kids in my DS’s class was not SN, just a bully. So no, you can’t assume. Though all of you would like to think “It’s that “other” kid. Not a kid like my kid. One of those other kids.”

It’s a fact that kids with SNs are much more often the victims rather than the aggressors. But that doesn’t fit with your view of your kids, does it?

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Anonymous wrote:Everyone is still assuming the child in OP’s story has SN with no basis for that assumption.

It’s an 8/9 year old boy. Realistically, it’s a pretty safe assumption, even if it’s “just” ADHD.

The nine yr old boy who beat up other kids in my DS’s class was not SN, just a bully. So no, you can’t assume. Though all of you would like to think “It’s that “other” kid. Not a kid like my kid. One of those other kids.”

It’s a fact that kids with SNs are much more often the victims rather than the aggressors. But that doesn’t fit with your view of your kids, does it?

How do you know this is the case?

[Anonymous]

When did public school turn into some sort of mental health / disability treatment facility?

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Anonymous wrote:My takeaway from all this is that public school is in big trouble.

The evidence is overwhelming.

[Anonymous]

I thought mcps had surveys to ask kids if they feel safe, how can they feel safe if a classmate is hitting other kids and that child is allowed to stay in the classroom as if nothing happened.?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I thought mcps had surveys to ask kids if they feel safe, how can they feel safe if a classmate is hitting other kids and that child is allowed to stay in the classroom as if nothing happened.?

They do the surveys, but nothing really comes of them.

One more example of how MCPS is not held accountable. They hypocritically talk about 'student safety', but they don't enforce any rules - whether it has to do with hitting/physical assault or kids feeling unsafe using the restrooms because there are kids in there doing drugs/vaping/smoking weed.