AI essays - holy moly

[Anonymous]

The beginning of the end for traditional college. The expense is absurd considering the efficiency of technology. The coming recession is going to flush the unsustainable suspension of reality and shove 21st reality and strapped family budgets down the throat of the “Big Education” grifters. No more sending kids out in the world with huge and completely unnecessary debt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

So, if GA Tech is telling me I can use it today to generate ideas, edit my essay, make my essay better, etc…do I now have to somehow write a completely different common app personal statement for other colleges that are silent?

I don't think GT said full edit in the professional editor rewriting sense. They said something akin to using as a thesaurus. People who want to cheat out of writing are just wishful thinking there.
“Your ultimate submission should be your own.” --GT admissions

You are incorrect. Do a Google search for a Guardian article released today. GT is saying that AI levels the playing field between kids of limited means and rich kids that hire professional essay editors (we know what that means BTW).

When they say the essay should be your own that means you don’t let AI hallucinate that you created nuclear fusion…that the experiences and background are yours.

Sure, a friend checked in on his DC only to find she’d hit the essay word count by copy and pasting a single paragraph repeatedly. Won’t guess what he did, but she’s now a college graduate. That situation doesn’t happen post AI.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I read an article that basically stated that, while the AI generated writing can be good, it's very impersonal.

Also, in the same article, it stated that some of the stuff coming out of there was nonsense.

Someone (more than one?) have posted AI generated stuff on this forum, and it's pretty clear it was AI generated. It was too generic.

+1 it will strip the voice of the student, which is so important in this kind of essay

What's with this voice BS!? I find the concept of underpaid/overworked app. readers sleuthing for a student's voice laughable. Setting that aside, if a student writes the common app essay and the college supplemental essays using Chat GPT, wouldn't those have the same voice (or non-voice) which the college evaluators would assume to be the 'voice' of the kid or do they have magical powers that I'm unaware of?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read an article that basically stated that, while the AI generated writing can be good, it's very impersonal.

Also, in the same article, it stated that some of the stuff coming out of there was nonsense.

Someone (more than one?) have posted AI generated stuff on this forum, and it's pretty clear it was AI generated. It was too generic.

+1 it will strip the voice of the student, which is so important in this kind of essay

What's with this voice BS!? I find the concept of underpaid/overworked app. readers sleuthing for a student's voice laughable. Setting that aside, if a student writes the common app essay and the college supplemental essays using Chat GPT, wouldn't those have the same voice (or non-voice) which the college evaluators would assume to be the 'voice' of the kid or do they have magical powers that I'm unaware of?

It's the latter, and yes it's a you problem, not a magical power.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read an article that basically stated that, while the AI generated writing can be good, it's very impersonal.

Also, in the same article, it stated that some of the stuff coming out of there was nonsense.

Someone (more than one?) have posted AI generated stuff on this forum, and it's pretty clear it was AI generated. It was too generic.

+1 it will strip the voice of the student, which is so important in this kind of essay

What's with this voice BS!? I find the concept of underpaid/overworked app. readers sleuthing for a student's voice laughable. Setting that aside, if a student writes the common app essay and the college supplemental essays using Chat GPT, wouldn't those have the same voice (or non-voice) which the college evaluators would assume to be the 'voice' of the kid or do they have magical powers that I'm unaware of?

If you’re not well-read or used to good writing, the idea of “voice” might seem strange. It’s real. Many, many people have shared already in this thread and another that they didn’t think AI-written essays would help a student write a PERSONAL essay.

Think about it. AI isn’t going to have examples or the style (voice) of a genuine kid. The writing it generates is good, but isn’t going to show personality. Why would AOs pick good writing that sounds like a text book over good writing that has some personality?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read an article that basically stated that, while the AI generated writing can be good, it's very impersonal.

Also, in the same article, it stated that some of the stuff coming out of there was nonsense.

Someone (more than one?) have posted AI generated stuff on this forum, and it's pretty clear it was AI generated. It was too generic.

+1 it will strip the voice of the student, which is so important in this kind of essay

What's with this voice BS!? I find the concept of underpaid/overworked app. readers sleuthing for a student's voice laughable. Setting that aside, if a student writes the common app essay and the college supplemental essays using Chat GPT, wouldn't those have the same voice (or non-voice) which the college evaluators would assume to be the 'voice' of the kid or do they have magical powers that I'm unaware of?

DP
If they used ai to write it, they didn't write it. Some people are so bent on cheating.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read an article that basically stated that, while the AI generated writing can be good, it's very impersonal.

Also, in the same article, it stated that some of the stuff coming out of there was nonsense.

Someone (more than one?) have posted AI generated stuff on this forum, and it's pretty clear it was AI generated. It was too generic.

+1 it will strip the voice of the student, which is so important in this kind of essay

What's with this voice BS!? I find the concept of underpaid/overworked app. readers sleuthing for a student's voice laughable. Setting that aside, if a student writes the common app essay and the college supplemental essays using Chat GPT, wouldn't those have the same voice (or non-voice) which the college evaluators would assume to be the 'voice' of the kid or do they have magical powers that I'm unaware of?

DP
If they used ai to write it, they didn't write it. Some people are so bent on cheating.

You are not answering the question I asked.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

So, if GA Tech is telling me I can use it today to generate ideas, edit my essay, make my essay better, etc…do I now have to somehow write a completely different common app personal statement for other colleges that are silent?

I don't think GT said full edit in the professional editor rewriting sense. They said something akin to using as a thesaurus. People who want to cheat out of writing are just wishful thinking there.
“Your ultimate submission should be your own.” --GT admissions

You are incorrect. Do a Google search for a Guardian article released today. GT is saying that AI levels the playing field between kids of limited means and rich kids that hire professional essay editors (we know what that means BTW).

When they say the essay should be your own that means you don’t let AI hallucinate that you created nuclear fusion…that the experiences and background are yours.

If this is true, this is huge news. Finally!
Chat gpt is Mainstream now.

If your kids dont know how to use it as an editor, they’ll be screwed to do every single task in their first few internships and first jobs - and prob wonder why everyone else is producing material faster than they can at a higher quality.
Don’t hold your kids back.
Teach them responsible use.

[Anonymous]

For all of you quick to judge, try gpt-4 as an editor in something YOU wrote - with your “voice”.
Just try it.
Don’t ask it to write something; you produce a draft and have it edit, condense and synthesize.

Then, come back here.
Let us know what you think.
Make sure you are using 4.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

Putting write me an essay about X is cheating. Putting your essay in a AI and having it edited is no different than a college counselor editing it.

It’s not cheating

It is cheating. As is having it edited (as in editor is adding/reworking content). Students can get feedback, but construction and syntax should be theirs. An editor (human or AI) has a voice. This may be fine for the publication industry, but it defeats the purpose of a personal essay.
FWIW, most essay help services don't bill themselves as editors. I hope they aren't editing.
Giving feedback on what didn't work and helping brainstorm are fine. Devising content is not.

Of course kids have their essays edited. How are you so unaware?

Kids write drafts and an editor reworks it and helps them structure it.

The kids rewrites and the editor fixes grammar and sentence structure.

That’s how it’s worked for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

Putting write me an essay about X is cheating. Putting your essay in a AI and having it edited is no different than a college counselor editing it.

It’s not cheating

It is cheating. As is having it edited (as in editor is adding/reworking content). Students can get feedback, but construction and syntax should be theirs. An editor (human or AI) has a voice. This may be fine for the publication industry, but it defeats the purpose of a personal essay.
FWIW, most essay help services don't bill themselves as editors. I hope they aren't editing.
Giving feedback on what didn't work and helping brainstorm are fine. Devising content is not.

Of course kids have their essays edited. How are you so unaware?

Kids write drafts and an editor reworks it and helps them structure it.

The kids rewrites and the editor fixes grammar and sentence structure.

That’s how it’s worked for decades.

Agree. 💯
All these old farts on here are delusional and truly clueless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

Putting write me an essay about X is cheating. Putting your essay in a AI and having it edited is no different than a college counselor editing it.

It’s not cheating

It is cheating. As is having it edited (as in editor is adding/reworking content). Students can get feedback, but construction and syntax should be theirs. An editor (human or AI) has a voice. This may be fine for the publication industry, but it defeats the purpose of a personal essay.
FWIW, most essay help services don't bill themselves as editors. I hope they aren't editing.
Giving feedback on what didn't work and helping brainstorm are fine. Devising content is not.

Of course kids have their essays edited. How are you so unaware?

Kids write drafts and an editor reworks it and helps them structure it.

The kids rewrites and the editor fixes grammar and sentence structure.

That’s how it’s worked for decades.

Agree. 💯
All these old farts on here are delusional and truly clueless.

Or just gatekeeping/moral-shaming others into not doing what they routinely do.. Remember the AAP forums where these same people shame Asians for 'prepping' for TJ while they 'enrich' their kids, spend thousands on sports coaching and $500/hr for SAT prep? Same shit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:For all of you quick to judge, try gpt-4 as an editor in something YOU wrote - with your “voice”.
Just try it.
Don’t ask it to write something; you produce a draft and have it edit, condense and synthesize.

Then, come back here.
Let us know what you think.
Make sure you are using 4.

Post your best.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Stop pretending the AI bots can’t produce quality work. Many heads of admission at the most elite colleges say it produces essays in the top 1% if you know how to train the AI.

Funny how everyone on DCUM thinks they are Shakespeare.

I know professional writers who are impressed with what AI can do. It's crazy. This is OT for this forum, but we've all watched a lot of lower skill jobs get automated. We are now about to see the same thing happen for jobs that require a college degree...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop pretending the AI bots can’t produce quality work. Many heads of admission at the most elite colleges say it produces essays in the top 1% if you know how to train the AI.

Funny how everyone on DCUM thinks they are Shakespeare.

I know professional writers who are impressed with what AI can do. It's crazy. This is OT for this forum, but we've all watched a lot of lower skill jobs get automated. We are now about to see the same thing happen for jobs that require a college degree...

What careers are the safest….
Besides CEO