AI essays - holy moly

[Anonymous]

When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

What’s a nube?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

No just like it’s not poetic when a test prepped doesn’t get in, or a kids who had tutors, or a kid whose mom helped them create a foundation,

None of it is poetic.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

Putting write me an essay about X is cheating. Putting your essay in a AI and having it edited is no different than a college counselor editing it.

It’s not cheating

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

So, if GA Tech is telling me I can use it today to generate ideas, edit my essay, make my essay better, etc…do I now have to somehow write a completely different common app personal statement for other colleges that are silent?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I read an article that basically stated that, while the AI generated writing can be good, it's very impersonal.

Also, in the same article, it stated that some of the stuff coming out of there was nonsense.

Someone (more than one?) have posted AI generated stuff on this forum, and it's pretty clear it was AI generated. It was too generic.

+1 it will strip the voice of the student, which is so important in this kind of essay

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

Putting write me an essay about X is cheating. Putting your essay in a AI and having it edited is no different than a college counselor editing it.

It’s not cheating

It is cheating. As is having it edited (as in editor is adding/reworking content). Students can get feedback, but construction and syntax should be theirs. An editor (human or AI) has a voice. This may be fine for the publication industry, but it defeats the purpose of a personal essay.
FWIW, most essay help services don't bill themselves as editors. I hope they aren't editing.
Giving feedback on what didn't work and helping brainstorm are fine. Devising content is not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

So, if GA Tech is telling me I can use it today to generate ideas, edit my essay, make my essay better, etc…do I now have to somehow write a completely different common app personal statement for other colleges that are silent?

I don't think GT said full edit in the professional editor rewriting sense. They said something akin to using as a thesaurus. People who want to cheat out of writing are just wishful thinking there.
“Your ultimate submission should be your own.” --GT admissions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

Putting write me an essay about X is cheating. Putting your essay in a AI and having it edited is no different than a college counselor editing it.

It’s not cheating

Exactly. No one is lazy enough to say “write me an essay about starting my own non-profit recycling soap for distribution in central africa, while also being captain of football team (with following stars) and yearbook editor”….That would be a shitty AI essay.

But if that kid independently wrote a couple of different essays, then asked chat gpt-4 to edit or reorganize the paragraphs, and then took a heavy pen to edit the revised versions, I don’t have a problem with that.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

So, if GA Tech is telling me I can use it today to generate ideas, edit my essay, make my essay better, etc…do I now have to somehow write a completely different common app personal statement for other colleges that are silent?

I don't think GT said full edit in the professional editor rewriting sense. They said something akin to using as a thesaurus. People who want to cheat out of writing are just wishful thinking there.
“Your ultimate submission should be your own.” --GT admissions

But they are ok with alternate phrasing suggestions and reordering/reorganization suggestions from AI….see below.

Georgia Tech: "In the same way you would not copy directly from any other source you may incorporate into the writing process, you should not copy and paste directly out of any AI platform or submit work that you did not originally create. Instead, approach and consider any interaction with an AI tool as a learning experience that may help you generate ideas, provide alternative phrasing options, and organize your thoughts. Ultimately, we want to read and hear your unique and valuable writing style."

[Anonymous]

I use chat GPT4 for work.

Guess what…all your kids are already using it!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

So, if GA Tech is telling me I can use it today to generate ideas, edit my essay, make my essay better, etc…do I now have to somehow write a completely different common app personal statement for other colleges that are silent?

I don't think GT said full edit in the professional editor rewriting sense. They said something akin to using as a thesaurus. People who want to cheat out of writing are just wishful thinking there.
“Your ultimate submission should be your own.” --GT admissions

You are incorrect. Do a Google search for a Guardian article released today. GT is saying that AI levels the playing field between kids of limited means and rich kids that hire professional essay editors (we know what that means BTW).

When they say the essay should be your own that means you don’t let AI hallucinate that you created nuclear fusion…that the experiences and background are yours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read an article that basically stated that, while the AI generated writing can be good, it's very impersonal.

Also, in the same article, it stated that some of the stuff coming out of there was nonsense.

Someone (more than one?) have posted AI generated stuff on this forum, and it's pretty clear it was AI generated. It was too generic.

+1 it will strip the voice of the student, which is so important in this kind of essay

Exactly. Best description I’ve read, AI is for writing that can’t not exist. For the kid who wouldn’t submit an app because they can’t be bothered, it’s huge. But anyone actually putting sweat into their application, they want that in the essay, too. At best AI is producing grammatically accurate, but tedious writing. So if readers are about to be hit with a Great Wall of text, this is the year personal voice reins.