AI essays - holy moly

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Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

So, if GA Tech is telling me I can use it today to generate ideas, edit my essay, make my essay better, etc…do I now have to somehow write a completely different common app personal statement for other colleges that are silent?

I don't think GT said full edit in the professional editor rewriting sense. They said something akin to using as a thesaurus. People who want to cheat out of writing are just wishful thinking there.
“Your ultimate submission should be your own.” --GT admissions

I have several friends who are tenured faculty, most at name schools acceptable to DCUM.

“Mass panic” is a real understatement as to how liberal arts faculty are reacting to AI essays.

Schools are spending MILLIONS on AI detectors and getting caught using AI to generate content is considered a serious plagiarism offense.

Spell check? Fine. Grammarly? Okay.

ChatGPT is auto failure of the class and possible sanctions.

That reminds me of an IT pro who came to our work to fix a bug on the computers. She said companies created the bugs and then sold software to protect people from the bugs…

She may have been kidding but this makes me wonder if those who created AI will sell software to detect AI…

Many friends are professors. My favorite story of a kid being caught plagiarizing is when the student wrote in first person about being a race they were not…they had not even bothered to read the writing they stole.

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Anonymous wrote:When the applicant uses / abuses ChatGPT for the essays and still get rejected, that will be poetic justice.

Also poetic justice…all the nubes claiming this is cheating, having their kids rejected…just for the colleges to expressly allow it within one or two more application cycles.

Name calling doesn't negate that this is cheating. Colleges may treat writing differently in the future (like bring back sat essay), but the current expectation is that the writing is the student's.

Stop denigrating people with integrity to justify cheating. It's a poor excuse and makes you look like a self-serving parasite.

So, if GA Tech is telling me I can use it today to generate ideas, edit my essay, make my essay better, etc…do I now have to somehow write a completely different common app personal statement for other colleges that are silent?

I don't think GT said full edit in the professional editor rewriting sense. They said something akin to using as a thesaurus. People who want to cheat out of writing are just wishful thinking there.
“Your ultimate submission should be your own.” --GT admissions

I have several friends who are tenured faculty, most at name schools acceptable to DCUM.

“Mass panic” is a real understatement as to how liberal arts faculty are reacting to AI essays.

Schools are spending MILLIONS on AI detectors and getting caught using AI to generate content is considered a serious plagiarism offense.

Spell check? Fine. Grammarly? Okay.

ChatGPT is auto failure of the class and possible sanctions.

That reminds me of an IT pro who came to our work to fix a bug on the computers. She said companies created the bugs and then sold software to protect people from the bugs…

She may have been kidding but this makes me wonder if those who created AI will sell software to detect AI…

Many friends are professors. My favorite story of a kid being caught plagiarizing is when the student wrote in first person about being a race they were not…they had not even bothered to read the writing they stole.

ChatGPT discontinued their AI detector because it was wrong too often.

Again, the bad press (and now lawsuits) about falsely accusing someone of using AI far outweighs any moral benefits for catching the true cheaters. Schools are quickly abandoning the AI detectors.

[Anonymous]

Here’s what you should do.

I’m sure your kids have many different essays that they written that they are not using.

After the November 1 deadline, take an essay that they did not end up using, subscribe for one month to ChatGPT-4, and input it there.

In the prompt say this before you insert the para: (as example below: customize for your kids’ interests): please improve this essay to make it more cohesive, pithy, revealing and perceptive and appropriate for 17 year old girl interested in women’s rights, women’s literature, feminist issues, female sports/Title Ix, women’s empowerment, abortion rights, and generally empowering women and girls around the globe.
Use the perspective appropriate for a high school senior. Add small amounts of appropriate humor or cleverness, but do not try to be funny.

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Anonymous wrote:Here’s what you should do.

I’m sure your kids have many different essays that they written that they are not using.

After the November 1 deadline, take an essay that they did not end up using, subscribe for one month to ChatGPT-4, and input it there.

In the prompt say this before you insert the para: (as example below: customize for your kids’ interests): please improve this essay to make it more cohesive, pithy, revealing and perceptive and appropriate for 17 year old girl interested in women’s rights, women’s literature, feminist issues, female sports/Title Ix, women’s empowerment, abortion rights, and generally empowering women and girls around the globe.
Use the perspective appropriate for a high school senior. Add small amounts of appropriate humor or cleverness, but do not try to be funny.

Interesting.

I’m trying this now.

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Anonymous wrote:I read an article that basically stated that, while the AI generated writing can be good, it's very impersonal.

Also, in the same article, it stated that some of the stuff coming out of there was nonsense.

Someone (more than one?) have posted AI generated stuff on this forum, and it's pretty clear it was AI generated. It was too generic.

+1 it will strip the voice of the student, which is so important in this kind of essay

What's with this voice BS!? I find the concept of underpaid/overworked app. readers sleuthing for a student's voice laughable. Setting that aside, if a student writes the common app essay and the college supplemental essays using Chat GPT, wouldn't those have the same voice (or non-voice) which the college evaluators would assume to be the 'voice' of the kid or do they have magical powers that I'm unaware of?

If you’re not well-read or used to good writing, the idea of “voice” might seem strange. It’s real. Many, many people have shared already in this thread and another that they didn’t think AI-written essays would help a student write a PERSONAL essay.

Think about it. AI isn’t going to have examples or the style (voice) of a genuine kid. The writing it generates is good, but isn’t going to show personality. Why would AOs pick good writing that sounds like a text book over good writing that has some personality?

You can tell AI to write in a certain style, including the style of particular authors. You can also feed it examples and tell it to mimic that style.

NP. When the "style" is that of a HS student who isn't a good writer, the point about having AI mimic a "style" is useless. Unless the parent feeds AI some author's style and a kid's essays read like an adult novelist wrote them....

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read an article that basically stated that, while the AI generated writing can be good, it's very impersonal.

Also, in the same article, it stated that some of the stuff coming out of there was nonsense.

Someone (more than one?) have posted AI generated stuff on this forum, and it's pretty clear it was AI generated. It was too generic.

+1 it will strip the voice of the student, which is so important in this kind of essay

What's with this voice BS!? I find the concept of underpaid/overworked app. readers sleuthing for a student's voice laughable. Setting that aside, if a student writes the common app essay and the college supplemental essays using Chat GPT, wouldn't those have the same voice (or non-voice) which the college evaluators would assume to be the 'voice' of the kid or do they have magical powers that I'm unaware of?

If you’re not well-read or used to good writing, the idea of “voice” might seem strange. It’s real. Many, many people have shared already in this thread and another that they didn’t think AI-written essays would help a student write a PERSONAL essay.

Think about it. AI isn’t going to have examples or the style (voice) of a genuine kid. The writing it generates is good, but isn’t going to show personality. Why would AOs pick good writing that sounds like a text book over good writing that has some personality?

You can tell AI to write in a certain style, including the style of particular authors. You can also feed it examples and tell it to mimic that style.

NP. When the "style" is that of a HS student who isn't a good writer, the point about having AI mimic a "style" is useless. Unless the parent feeds AI some author's style and a kid's essays read like an adult novelist wrote them....

Unless you are a moron, you are not submitting an essay straight from chatgpt-4.
You tweak it, so it sounds like you. Use it to help you generate ideas, to help synthesize really wordy long phrases that are run-on, or needs to be trimmed down to get to the point.

I don’t think anyone in their right mind would copy and paste something and submit it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s what you should do.

I’m sure your kids have many different essays that they written that they are not using.

After the November 1 deadline, take an essay that they did not end up using, subscribe for one month to ChatGPT-4, and input it there.

In the prompt say this before you insert the para: (as example below: customize for your kids’ interests): please improve this essay to make it more cohesive, pithy, revealing and perceptive and appropriate for 17 year old girl interested in women’s rights, women’s literature, feminist issues, female sports/Title Ix, women’s empowerment, abortion rights, and generally empowering women and girls around the globe.
Use the perspective appropriate for a high school senior. Add small amounts of appropriate humor or cleverness, but do not try to be funny.

I tried this. With a 300 word essay.
I had to refine it a few times with more detailed prompts. My prompts were a paragraph long!

But it definitely re-ordered some things, added some detail, some good new ideas from an organization perspective, and inserted a story, which I will tweak somewhere else….
Def better… will not incorporate all of the changes, but there are some that I think I will suggest my child use albeit with different wording.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here’s what you should do.

I’m sure your kids have many different essays that they written that they are not using.

After the November 1 deadline, take an essay that they did not end up using, subscribe for one month to ChatGPT-4, and input it there.

In the prompt say this before you insert the para: (as example below: customize for your kids’ interests): please improve this essay to make it more cohesive, pithy, revealing and perceptive and appropriate for 17 year old girl interested in women’s rights, women’s literature, feminist issues, female sports/Title Ix, women’s empowerment, abortion rights, and generally empowering women and girls around the globe.
Use the perspective appropriate for a high school senior. Add small amounts of appropriate humor or cleverness, but do not try to be funny.

I tried this. With a 300 word essay.
I had to refine it a few times with more detailed prompts. My prompts were a paragraph long!

But it definitely re-ordered some things, added some detail, some good new ideas from an organization perspective, and inserted a story, which I will tweak somewhere else….
Def better… will not incorporate all of the changes, but there are some that I think I will suggest my child use albeit with different wording.

Can you post??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read an article that basically stated that, while the AI generated writing can be good, it's very impersonal.

Also, in the same article, it stated that some of the stuff coming out of there was nonsense.

Someone (more than one?) have posted AI generated stuff on this forum, and it's pretty clear it was AI generated. It was too generic.

+1 it will strip the voice of the student, which is so important in this kind of essay

What's with this voice BS!? I find the concept of underpaid/overworked app. readers sleuthing for a student's voice laughable. Setting that aside, if a student writes the common app essay and the college supplemental essays using Chat GPT, wouldn't those have the same voice (or non-voice) which the college evaluators would assume to be the 'voice' of the kid or do they have magical powers that I'm unaware of?

If you’re not well-read or used to good writing, the idea of “voice” might seem strange. It’s real. Many, many people have shared already in this thread and another that they didn’t think AI-written essays would help a student write a PERSONAL essay.

Think about it. AI isn’t going to have examples or the style (voice) of a genuine kid. The writing it generates is good, but isn’t going to show personality. Why would AOs pick good writing that sounds like a text book over good writing that has some personality?

You can tell AI to write in a certain style, including the style of particular authors. You can also feed it examples and tell it to mimic that style.

NP. When the "style" is that of a HS student who isn't a good writer, the point about having AI mimic a "style" is useless. Unless the parent feeds AI some author's style and a kid's essays read like an adult novelist wrote them....

There are a number of top schools as well as some college consultant bloggers that provide essays of successful student applicants. You can feed some of those into the AI and have it write in that style.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here’s what you should do.

I’m sure your kids have many different essays that they written that they are not using.

After the November 1 deadline, take an essay that they did not end up using, subscribe for one month to ChatGPT-4, and input it there.

In the prompt say this before you insert the para: (as example below: customize for your kids’ interests): please improve this essay to make it more cohesive, pithy, revealing and perceptive and appropriate for 17 year old girl interested in women’s rights, women’s literature, feminist issues, female sports/Title Ix, women’s empowerment, abortion rights, and generally empowering women and girls around the globe.
Use the perspective appropriate for a high school senior. Add small amounts of appropriate humor or cleverness, but do not try to be funny.

why should we do this?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read an article that basically stated that, while the AI generated writing can be good, it's very impersonal.

Also, in the same article, it stated that some of the stuff coming out of there was nonsense.

Someone (more than one?) have posted AI generated stuff on this forum, and it's pretty clear it was AI generated. It was too generic.

+1 it will strip the voice of the student, which is so important in this kind of essay

What's with this voice BS!? I find the concept of underpaid/overworked app. readers sleuthing for a student's voice laughable. Setting that aside, if a student writes the common app essay and the college supplemental essays using Chat GPT, wouldn't those have the same voice (or non-voice) which the college evaluators would assume to be the 'voice' of the kid or do they have magical powers that I'm unaware of?

If you’re not well-read or used to good writing, the idea of “voice” might seem strange. It’s real. Many, many people have shared already in this thread and another that they didn’t think AI-written essays would help a student write a PERSONAL essay.

Think about it. AI isn’t going to have examples or the style (voice) of a genuine kid. The writing it generates is good, but isn’t going to show personality. Why would AOs pick good writing that sounds like a text book over good writing that has some personality?

You can tell AI to write in a certain style, including the style of particular authors. You can also feed it examples and tell it to mimic that style.

NP. When the "style" is that of a HS student who isn't a good writer, the point about having AI mimic a "style" is useless. Unless the parent feeds AI some author's style and a kid's essays read like an adult novelist wrote them....

Unless you are a moron, you are not submitting an essay straight from chatgpt-4.
You tweak it, so it sounds like you. Use it to help you generate ideas, to help synthesize really wordy long phrases that are run-on, or needs to be trimmed down to get to the point.

I don’t think anyone in their right mind would copy and paste something and submit it.

My 6th grader tried it - we had a conference with a teacher over it. 6th grader argued that their future is more dependent on AI prompt skills than writing skills. Obviously, we had a talk, but it's going to be a bigger challenge each year in schools. Kids don't innately understand the line as it's not the same as plagiarism, or at least that was part of 6th grader's defense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read an article that basically stated that, while the AI generated writing can be good, it's very impersonal.

Also, in the same article, it stated that some of the stuff coming out of there was nonsense.

Someone (more than one?) have posted AI generated stuff on this forum, and it's pretty clear it was AI generated. It was too generic.

+1 it will strip the voice of the student, which is so important in this kind of essay

What's with this voice BS!? I find the concept of underpaid/overworked app. readers sleuthing for a student's voice laughable. Setting that aside, if a student writes the common app essay and the college supplemental essays using Chat GPT, wouldn't those have the same voice (or non-voice) which the college evaluators would assume to be the 'voice' of the kid or do they have magical powers that I'm unaware of?

If you’re not well-read or used to good writing, the idea of “voice” might seem strange. It’s real. Many, many people have shared already in this thread and another that they didn’t think AI-written essays would help a student write a PERSONAL essay.

Think about it. AI isn’t going to have examples or the style (voice) of a genuine kid. The writing it generates is good, but isn’t going to show personality. Why would AOs pick good writing that sounds like a text book over good writing that has some personality?

You can tell AI to write in a certain style, including the style of particular authors. You can also feed it examples and tell it to mimic that style.

NP. When the "style" is that of a HS student who isn't a good writer, the point about having AI mimic a "style" is useless. Unless the parent feeds AI some author's style and a kid's essays read like an adult novelist wrote them....

Unless you are a moron, you are not submitting an essay straight from chatgpt-4.
You tweak it, so it sounds like you. Use it to help you generate ideas, to help synthesize really wordy long phrases that are run-on, or needs to be trimmed down to get to the point.

I don’t think anyone in their right mind would copy and paste something and submit it.

+1

People are not that bright, in general, and professors are counting on that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I read an article that basically stated that, while the AI generated writing can be good, it's very impersonal.

Also, in the same article, it stated that some of the stuff coming out of there was nonsense.

Someone (more than one?) have posted AI generated stuff on this forum, and it's pretty clear it was AI generated. It was too generic.

+1 it will strip the voice of the student, which is so important in this kind of essay

What's with this voice BS!? I find the concept of underpaid/overworked app. readers sleuthing for a student's voice laughable. Setting that aside, if a student writes the common app essay and the college supplemental essays using Chat GPT, wouldn't those have the same voice (or non-voice) which the college evaluators would assume to be the 'voice' of the kid or do they have magical powers that I'm unaware of?

If you’re not well-read or used to good writing, the idea of “voice” might seem strange. It’s real. Many, many people have shared already in this thread and another that they didn’t think AI-written essays would help a student write a PERSONAL essay.

Think about it. AI isn’t going to have examples or the style (voice) of a genuine kid. The writing it generates is good, but isn’t going to show personality. Why would AOs pick good writing that sounds like a text book over good writing that has some personality?

You can tell AI to write in a certain style, including the style of particular authors. You can also feed it examples and tell it to mimic that style.

NP. When the "style" is that of a HS student who isn't a good writer, the point about having AI mimic a "style" is useless. Unless the parent feeds AI some author's style and a kid's essays read like an adult novelist wrote them....

There are a number of top schools as well as some college consultant bloggers that provide essays of successful student applicants. You can feed some of those into the AI and have it write in that style.

So next year the essays that are highlighted might actually be Chatgpt ones

[Anonymous]

Maybe the bigger problem is not having anything interesting to write about.

[Anonymous]

+1. Responses like this remind me of a scene in the movie where Harry tells Sally that he always knows when a woman is faking it.

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