DC is Losing Jobs to Virginia

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Publics are trash everywhere. Nova is a unplanned public hardscrabble. Md has all the privates and country clubs separated by Maryland’s Potomac river.


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We moved to moco for easy access to the privates. Covid exposed the NOVA public rot.


Can’t really get too excited about the idea of moving to MoCo for stuffy privates and then paying higher taxes all to underwrite MCPS’s expenditures of legal fees to defend allegations of sexual harassment and probe just how incompetent McKnight has been as superintendent.

Enjoy! Meanwhile we’ll take the greater job growth and equity appreciation across the river.


And UMD as your only real in-state public university—instead of UVA, William&Mary, VA Tech, JMU, GMU etc


B1G ten UMD, Annapolis, Georgetown and Hopkins all within a 30 mile radius is a vastly superior educational community. UMD alone has more national championships and alum have more nobels, pulitzers, emmys, academy awards and fields medals than all the Va colleges put together.


Um. We live in Arlington- 2 miles from Georgetown’s campus where I work. GU is in DC and it’s a private university not sure why you are claiming it as part of MD. GW-American-GU-GMU (and even Catholic) is a more typical grouping due to law/govt/public policy.


On the confederate side purposely separated by the big wide Potomac River (owned by DC/MD). DC is donated by and Embedded in Md with all roads and land connected. Georgetown Maryland was the original town.


You should just stop. You’re not even worth engaging in conversation.


DC is embedded in and interconnected physically on the north side of the river. Look at the Maryland traffic arteries .. Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Connecticut, Georgia, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania avenues. Nova is the third wheel trying to glom on with desperate beer muscles in post after post.



Never thought of that. DC and Md are essentially the same place.
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Publics are trash everywhere. Nova is a unplanned public hardscrabble. Md has all the privates and country clubs separated by Maryland’s Potomac river.


+1

We moved to moco for easy access to the privates. Covid exposed the NOVA public rot.


Can’t really get too excited about the idea of moving to MoCo for stuffy privates and then paying higher taxes all to underwrite MCPS’s expenditures of legal fees to defend allegations of sexual harassment and probe just how incompetent McKnight has been as superintendent.

Enjoy! Meanwhile we’ll take the greater job growth and equity appreciation across the river.


And UMD as your only real in-state public university—instead of UVA, William&Mary, VA Tech, JMU, GMU etc


B1G ten UMD, Annapolis, Georgetown and Hopkins all within a 30 mile radius is a vastly superior educational community. UMD alone has more national championships and alum have more nobels, pulitzers, emmys, academy awards and fields medals than all the Va colleges put together.


Um. We live in Arlington- 2 miles from Georgetown’s campus where I work. GU is in DC and it’s a private university not sure why you are claiming it as part of MD. GW-American-GU-GMU (and even Catholic) is a more typical grouping due to law/govt/public policy.


On the confederate side purposely separated by the big wide Potomac River (owned by DC/MD). DC is donated by and Embedded in Md with all roads and land connected. Georgetown Maryland was the original town.


And the site of one of the largest slave markets on the East Coast. Worked out well for the Jesuits. They just had to stroll down the road to buy their construction workers.







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My question is this: WTH are there SO many MD tags in VA during the weekends??

Go home, already!


As part of your super-scientific study, have you traveled to a destination in MD that is comparable to whatever destination in VA had all the MD tags? Because I can tell you, as a MD resident, that I see plenty of VA tags over here on weekends and weekdays.
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Anonymous wrote:I work in IT and we made this calculation when we moved to NoVa from DC 10 years ago. My spouse works in DC and we could have gone to VA or MD - but we knew my future opportunities would be in VA.

There is a lot to like about MD. It’s a better fit for us politically and it’s closer to visit family, but work commute and opportunities were more important.


10 years ago, that calculation made sense for IT professionals. The calculation is different in today’s world where most IT jobs are remote. I work in IT and was living in VA (Dulles Corridor). Since we are working remotely, we moved to MD for a better quality of life.

This. After the pandemic and being able to work remotely, we also moved to MD. I work in IT too.


So you are in both tech support and couldn't afford to live in Virginia.

I see that reading comprehension is not your forte.
See, we both used to live in VA, so we could definitely afford it. We just wanted a better quality of life and live far away from idiots like you.


You could afford what you used to live in but not want you wanted to live in. Had to go to Maryland to find low costs alternatives.
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Publics are trash everywhere. Nova is a unplanned public hardscrabble. Md has all the privates and country clubs separated by Maryland’s Potomac river.


+1

We moved to moco for easy access to the privates. Covid exposed the NOVA public rot.


Can’t really get too excited about the idea of moving to MoCo for stuffy privates and then paying higher taxes all to underwrite MCPS’s expenditures of legal fees to defend allegations of sexual harassment and probe just how incompetent McKnight has been as superintendent.

Enjoy! Meanwhile we’ll take the greater job growth and equity appreciation across the river.


And UMD as your only real in-state public university—instead of UVA, William&Mary, VA Tech, JMU, GMU etc


B1G ten UMD, Annapolis, Georgetown and Hopkins all within a 30 mile radius is a vastly superior educational community. UMD alone has more national championships and alum have more nobels, pulitzers, emmys, academy awards and fields medals than all the Va colleges put together.


Um. We live in Arlington- 2 miles from Georgetown’s campus where I work. GU is in DC and it’s a private university not sure why you are claiming it as part of MD. GW-American-GU-GMU (and even Catholic) is a more typical grouping due to law/govt/public policy.


On the confederate side purposely separated by the big wide Potomac River (owned by DC/MD). DC is donated by and Embedded in Md with all roads and land connected. Georgetown Maryland was the original town.


You should just stop. You’re not even worth engaging in conversation.


"Terp Boy" is an infamous DCUM poster with some weird proclivities that go well beyond his Maryland boosterism.


Isn't Jamie Raskin "Terp Boy." He is very good at defending the indefensible.
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Anonymous wrote:Just yesterday, fitness firm SolidCore moves HQ from DC to Rosslyn: https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2023/08/18/solidcore-expansion-headquarters-rosslyn-altus.html


Not sure this thread can still be saved from being a dumpster fire, but I think this article points out what is actually one of the biggest issues. The height restriction in DC makes it tough for large corporations to operate headquarters in DC, because they don't have flexibility to expand or reconfigure their space as needs evolve, and they can't build up. I think that a lot of corporations would happily locate in DC, but locating in Arlington, Tysons, or Bethesda is more futureproof.

Small associations, law firms, consulting firms, and longstanding government agencies are still taking up plenty of class A office space in DC. It's the older and often mid-block class B and C stuff that is much harder to fill, harder to redevelop, and definitely not attractive for things like corporate headquarters.

DC really needs to get more serious about options for relaxing the height restriction. People perceive (not wrongly) that the developers who are pushing for more height are just trying to make money. People also perceive (not wrongly) that residential conversion has to be a major part of the solution. But really reinvigorating downtown also needs to involve making it more flexible and able to adapt to future change, and that requires something other than uniform 12-story boxes.

Obviously Congress is a real impediment, but a cohesive and well-thought-out plan from DC would go a long way here.
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Publics are trash everywhere. Nova is a unplanned public hardscrabble. Md has all the privates and country clubs separated by Maryland’s Potomac river.


+1

We moved to moco for easy access to the privates. Covid exposed the NOVA public rot.


Can’t really get too excited about the idea of moving to MoCo for stuffy privates and then paying higher taxes all to underwrite MCPS’s expenditures of legal fees to defend allegations of sexual harassment and probe just how incompetent McKnight has been as superintendent.

Enjoy! Meanwhile we’ll take the greater job growth and equity appreciation across the river.


And UMD as your only real in-state public university—instead of UVA, William&Mary, VA Tech, JMU, GMU etc


B1G ten UMD, Annapolis, Georgetown and Hopkins all within a 30 mile radius is a vastly superior educational community. UMD alone has more national championships and alum have more nobels, pulitzers, emmys, academy awards and fields medals than all the Va colleges put together.


Um. We live in Arlington- 2 miles from Georgetown’s campus where I work. GU is in DC and it’s a private university not sure why you are claiming it as part of MD. GW-American-GU-GMU (and even Catholic) is a more typical grouping due to law/govt/public policy.


On the confederate side purposely separated by the big wide Potomac River (owned by DC/MD). DC is donated by and Embedded in Md with all roads and land connected. Georgetown Maryland was the original town.


And the site of one of the largest slave markets on the East Coast. Worked out well for the Jesuits. They just had to stroll down the road to buy their construction workers.









Where exactly was that in Georgetown? Creepy but interesting to see what’s there now
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Anonymous wrote:This Washington Post interview makes an interesting point: “When large headquarters move to the metropolitan area, they almost never consider Maryland and D.C.,” said Yesim Sayin Taylor, executive director of the D.C. Policy Center. “They invariably locate in Northern Virginia, and that’s now snowballing. The Dulles corridor has become a huge attraction to technology companies.”

most major companies seek a large airport and good public transport. Hence why Amazon HQ2 also initially chose NYC. Notice, NYC has high taxes but it has LGA and a metro.

Arlington is close to DCA and metro into DC.

MoCo doesn't have an airport, and BWI is too far from DC.

That was really the only selling point for Arlington.

Also, notice that the data centers in NoVa are near IAD.

Most of the tech companies out in the SF area chose areas near SFO or SJC. SFO has BART, and SJC has caltrains and a lightrail.

It's about public transportation. I do agree that MoCo needs better public transportation by expanding the metro, but they aren't going to be able to build an airport.


It’s the data fiber lines that attracts the data centers, not the airport. Mae East is in NoVA. Northern Virginia remains the world's largest data center market with 2,132 megawatts (MW) of total inventory. Data is so big that there are properties converting to data center even along the 81 corridor.

data fiber lines can be built, but you need land. MD is tiny compared to VA.

But, I still stand by my statement that most corporations want to be near a major airport.
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Anonymous wrote:This Washington Post interview makes an interesting point: “When large headquarters move to the metropolitan area, they almost never consider Maryland and D.C.,” said Yesim Sayin Taylor, executive director of the D.C. Policy Center. “They invariably locate in Northern Virginia, and that’s now snowballing. The Dulles corridor has become a huge attraction to technology companies.”

most major companies seek a large airport and good public transport. Hence why Amazon HQ2 also initially chose NYC. Notice, NYC has high taxes but it has LGA and a metro.

Arlington is close to DCA and metro into DC.

MoCo doesn't have an airport, and BWI is too far from DC.

That was really the only selling point for Arlington.

Also, notice that the data centers in NoVa are near IAD.

Most of the tech companies out in the SF area chose areas near SFO or SJC. SFO has BART, and SJC has caltrains and a lightrail.

It's about public transportation. I do agree that MoCo needs better public transportation by expanding the metro, but they aren't going to be able to build an airport.


It’s the data fiber lines that attracts the data centers, not the airport. Mae East is in NoVA. Northern Virginia remains the world's largest data center market with 2,132 megawatts (MW) of total inventory. Data is so big that there are properties converting to data center even along the 81 corridor.

data fiber lines can be built, but you need land. MD is tiny compared to VA.

But, I still stand by my statement that most corporations want to be near a major airport.



But a horrible ugly residential situation
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Anonymous wrote:I work in IT and we made this calculation when we moved to NoVa from DC 10 years ago. My spouse works in DC and we could have gone to VA or MD - but we knew my future opportunities would be in VA.

There is a lot to like about MD. It’s a better fit for us politically and it’s closer to visit family, but work commute and opportunities were more important.


10 years ago, that calculation made sense for IT professionals. The calculation is different in today’s world where most IT jobs are remote. I work in IT and was living in VA (Dulles Corridor). Since we are working remotely, we moved to MD for a better quality of life.

This. After the pandemic and being able to work remotely, we also moved to MD. I work in IT too.


So you are in both tech support and couldn't afford to live in Virginia.

I see that reading comprehension is not your forte.
See, we both used to live in VA, so we could definitely afford it. We just wanted a better quality of life and live far away from idiots like you.


You could afford what you used to live in but not want you wanted to live in. Had to go to Maryland to find low costs alternatives.

I had to go to Maryland for a better life. Many people are forced to live in VA because of their jobs and not because it's a good place to live.
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Anonymous wrote:I work in IT and we made this calculation when we moved to NoVa from DC 10 years ago. My spouse works in DC and we could have gone to VA or MD - but we knew my future opportunities would be in VA.

There is a lot to like about MD. It’s a better fit for us politically and it’s closer to visit family, but work commute and opportunities were more important.


10 years ago, that calculation made sense for IT professionals. The calculation is different in today’s world where most IT jobs are remote. I work in IT and was living in VA (Dulles Corridor). Since we are working remotely, we moved to MD for a better quality of life.

This. After the pandemic and being able to work remotely, we also moved to MD. I work in IT too.


So you are in both tech support and couldn't afford to live in Virginia.

I see that reading comprehension is not your forte.
See, we both used to live in VA, so we could definitely afford it. We just wanted a better quality of life and live far away from idiots like you.


You could afford what you used to live in but not want you wanted to live in. Had to go to Maryland to find low costs alternatives.

I had to go to Maryland for a better life. Many people are forced to live in VA because of their jobs and not because it's a good place to live.


Data to back this claim? Fine if you speak for yourself but applying your experience to “many people” requires you to supply some data.
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Anonymous wrote:Just yesterday, fitness firm SolidCore moves HQ from DC to Rosslyn: https://www.bizjournals.com/washington/news/2023/08/18/solidcore-expansion-headquarters-rosslyn-altus.html


Not sure this thread can still be saved from being a dumpster fire, but I think this article points out what is actually one of the biggest issues. The height restriction in DC makes it tough for large corporations to operate headquarters in DC, because they don't have flexibility to expand or reconfigure their space as needs evolve, and they can't build up. I think that a lot of corporations would happily locate in DC, but locating in Arlington, Tysons, or Bethesda is more futureproof.

Small associations, law firms, consulting firms, and longstanding government agencies are still taking up plenty of class A office space in DC. It's the older and often mid-block class B and C stuff that is much harder to fill, harder to redevelop, and definitely not attractive for things like corporate headquarters.

DC really needs to get more serious about options for relaxing the height restriction. People perceive (not wrongly) that the developers who are pushing for more height are just trying to make money. People also perceive (not wrongly) that residential conversion has to be a major part of the solution. But really reinvigorating downtown also needs to involve making it more flexible and able to adapt to future change, and that requires something other than uniform 12-story boxes.

Obviously Congress is a real impediment, but a cohesive and well-thought-out plan from DC would go a long way here.


DC needs to get serious on crime and law enforcement before anything else, including taller buildings.
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Publics are trash everywhere. Nova is a unplanned public hardscrabble. Md has all the privates and country clubs separated by Maryland’s Potomac river.


+1

We moved to moco for easy access to the privates. Covid exposed the NOVA public rot.


Can’t really get too excited about the idea of moving to MoCo for stuffy privates and then paying higher taxes all to underwrite MCPS’s expenditures of legal fees to defend allegations of sexual harassment and probe just how incompetent McKnight has been as superintendent.

Enjoy! Meanwhile we’ll take the greater job growth and equity appreciation across the river.


And UMD as your only real in-state public university—instead of UVA, William&Mary, VA Tech, JMU, GMU etc


B1G ten UMD, Annapolis, Georgetown and Hopkins all within a 30 mile radius is a vastly superior educational community. UMD alone has more national championships and alum have more nobels, pulitzers, emmys, academy awards and fields medals than all the Va colleges put together.


Um. We live in Arlington- 2 miles from Georgetown’s campus where I work. GU is in DC and it’s a private university not sure why you are claiming it as part of MD. GW-American-GU-GMU (and even Catholic) is a more typical grouping due to law/govt/public policy.


On the confederate side purposely separated by the big wide Potomac River (owned by DC/MD). DC is donated by and Embedded in Md with all roads and land connected. Georgetown Maryland was the original town.


You should just stop. You’re not even worth engaging in conversation.


DC is embedded in and interconnected physically on the north side of the river. Look at the Maryland traffic arteries .. Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Connecticut, Georgia, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania avenues. Nova is the third wheel trying to glom on with desperate beer muscles in post after post.



Never thought of that. DC and Md are essentially the same place.


Yes and using that great logic, Virginia and West Virginia are also essentially the same place. After all, they actually were once both the same state of Virginia.
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Publics are trash everywhere. Nova is a unplanned public hardscrabble. Md has all the privates and country clubs separated by Maryland’s Potomac river.


+1

We moved to moco for easy access to the privates. Covid exposed the NOVA public rot.


Can’t really get too excited about the idea of moving to MoCo for stuffy privates and then paying higher taxes all to underwrite MCPS’s expenditures of legal fees to defend allegations of sexual harassment and probe just how incompetent McKnight has been as superintendent.

Enjoy! Meanwhile we’ll take the greater job growth and equity appreciation across the river.


And UMD as your only real in-state public university—instead of UVA, William&Mary, VA Tech, JMU, GMU etc


B1G ten UMD, Annapolis, Georgetown and Hopkins all within a 30 mile radius is a vastly superior educational community. UMD alone has more national championships and alum have more nobels, pulitzers, emmys, academy awards and fields medals than all the Va colleges put together.


Um. We live in Arlington- 2 miles from Georgetown’s campus where I work. GU is in DC and it’s a private university not sure why you are claiming it as part of MD. GW-American-GU-GMU (and even Catholic) is a more typical grouping due to law/govt/public policy.


On the confederate side purposely separated by the big wide Potomac River (owned by DC/MD). DC is donated by and Embedded in Md with all roads and land connected. Georgetown Maryland was the original town.


You should just stop. You’re not even worth engaging in conversation.


DC is embedded in and interconnected physically on the north side of the river. Look at the Maryland traffic arteries .. Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Connecticut, Georgia, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania avenues. Nova is the third wheel trying to glom on with desperate beer muscles in post after post.



Never thought of that. DC and Md are essentially the same place.


Yes and using that great logic, Virginia and West Virginia are also essentially the same place. After all, they actually were once both the same state of Virginia.


West Virginia isn’t embedded in Virginia, on the same side of the Potomac River, donated to the country by Virginia, threaded together by Massachusetts/Wisconsin/Connecticut/Georgia/New Hampshire/Rhode Island/Pennsylvania avenues but it is certainly more Kim to Virginia than Md.
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Publics are trash everywhere. Nova is a unplanned public hardscrabble. Md has all the privates and country clubs separated by Maryland’s Potomac river.


+1

We moved to moco for easy access to the privates. Covid exposed the NOVA public rot.


Can’t really get too excited about the idea of moving to MoCo for stuffy privates and then paying higher taxes all to underwrite MCPS’s expenditures of legal fees to defend allegations of sexual harassment and probe just how incompetent McKnight has been as superintendent.

Enjoy! Meanwhile we’ll take the greater job growth and equity appreciation across the river.


And UMD as your only real in-state public university—instead of UVA, William&Mary, VA Tech, JMU, GMU etc


B1G ten UMD, Annapolis, Georgetown and Hopkins all within a 30 mile radius is a vastly superior educational community. UMD alone has more national championships and alum have more nobels, pulitzers, emmys, academy awards and fields medals than all the Va colleges put together.


Um. We live in Arlington- 2 miles from Georgetown’s campus where I work. GU is in DC and it’s a private university not sure why you are claiming it as part of MD. GW-American-GU-GMU (and even Catholic) is a more typical grouping due to law/govt/public policy.


On the confederate side purposely separated by the big wide Potomac River (owned by DC/MD). DC is donated by and Embedded in Md with all roads and land connected. Georgetown Maryland was the original town.


You should just stop. You’re not even worth engaging in conversation.


DC is embedded in and interconnected physically on the north side of the river. Look at the Maryland traffic arteries .. Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Connecticut, Georgia, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania avenues. Nova is the third wheel trying to glom on with desperate beer muscles in post after post.



Never thought of that. DC and Md are essentially the same place.


Yes and using that great logic, Virginia and West Virginia are also essentially the same place. After all, they actually were once both the same state of Virginia.


West Virginia isn’t embedded in Virginia, on the same side of the Potomac River, donated to the country by Virginia, threaded together by Massachusetts/Wisconsin/Connecticut/Georgia/New Hampshire/Rhode Island/Pennsylvania avenues but it is certainly more Kim to Virginia than Md.


Actually, DC was from land given by both Maryland and Virginia in 1790.

West Virginia broke away from Virginia in 1863.

So both DC and West Virginia have kinship with Virginia. Congratulations, Virginia!
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