DC is Losing Jobs to Virginia

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Anonymous wrote:The new FBI headquarters saga is a good example of how bad things are in Maryland.

Also Amazon, people will downplay its impact but it was pretty clear when Amazon looked at this metro area they wanted to be in close-in NoVA, not DC or MD.

Also Boeing, they moved their HQ from Chicago last year and picked NoVA.

Also Nestle, picked NoVA.

Meanwhile in the same timespan MD lost Discovery (which to be fair wasn’t doing well anyway so not MD’s fault) and had to fight to keep Marriott’s new HQ in MD.

Big company HQs aren’t everything but there is a clear pattern here. I work with startups in the area and most of them choose NoVA as well.

Boeing's "move" was something like 200 corporate jobs. Nestle was 2017. I think NoVa does do better than MoCo but it's not really as dramatic as some people want to believe. Both had about 1.5% job growth in 2022. I think folks on this board tend to be heavily in tech (just like this PP talking about "startups") and they don't take account of other industries, and MoCo is more pharma and life sciences.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Virginia gains more jobs because the state executes a mature economic development strategy and offers a climate attractive to corporations and residents alike.

Virginia has also capitalized on the federal agencies headquartered in the state. Maryland, by contrast, has not.

The new FBI headquarters saga is a good example of how bad things are in Maryland. The state offered two sites in areas lagging in economic development because of high crime, low performing schools, high tax burdens, low infrastructure investment, and a history of local government corruption. When the GSA released a set of reasonable metrics by which to assess the MD and VA sites, Maryland officials threw hissy fits, stamped their feet like preschoolers, and shouted, “it’s not fair, it’s not fair, it’s not fair!” They chose to advance a disingenuous and lazy “equity” justification for relocating the FBI headquarters to Maryland rather than investing in the targeted communities to make them more economically competitive with the Virginia.

If the state was executing policies so well as you say, Virginia would be one of the richest states. It’s behind Maryland. Find something else.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Virginia gains more jobs because the state executes a mature economic development strategy and offers a climate attractive to corporations and residents alike.

Virginia has also capitalized on the federal agencies headquartered in the state. Maryland, by contrast, has not.

The new FBI headquarters saga is a good example of how bad things are in Maryland. The state offered two sites in areas lagging in economic development because of high crime, low performing schools, high tax burdens, low infrastructure investment, and a history of local government corruption. When the GSA released a set of reasonable metrics by which to assess the MD and VA sites, Maryland officials threw hissy fits, stamped their feet like preschoolers, and shouted, “it’s not fair, it’s not fair, it’s not fair!” They chose to advance a disingenuous and lazy “equity” justification for relocating the FBI headquarters to Maryland rather than investing in the targeted communities to make them more economically competitive with the Virginia.

If the state was executing policies so well as you say, Virginia would be one of the richest states. It’s behind Maryland. Find something else.

You would do well to learn more about what you’re saying. Maybe you’ll sound less like a complete and clueless idiot in future posts.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Traffic in and around VA is not worth it.

This^.

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Anonymous wrote:This Washington Post interview makes an interesting point: “When large headquarters move to the metropolitan area, they almost never consider Maryland and D.C.,” said Yesim Sayin Taylor, executive director of the D.C. Policy Center. “They invariably locate in Northern Virginia, and that’s now snowballing. The Dulles corridor has become a huge attraction to technology companies.”

most major companies seek a large airport and good public transport. Hence why Amazon HQ2 also initially chose NYC. Notice, NYC has high taxes but it has LGA and a metro.

Arlington is close to DCA and metro into DC.

MoCo doesn't have an airport, and BWI is too far from DC.

That was really the only selling point for Arlington.

Also, notice that the data centers in NoVa are near IAD.

Most of the tech companies out in the SF area chose areas near SFO or SJC. SFO has BART, and SJC has caltrains and a lightrail.

It's about public transportation. I do agree that MoCo needs better public transportation by expanding the metro, but they aren't going to be able to build an airport.

It’s the data fiber lines that attracts the data centers, not the airport. Mae East is in NoVA. Northern Virginia remains the world's largest data center market with 2,132 megawatts (MW) of total inventory. Data is so big that there are properties converting to data center even along the 81 corridor.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Traffic in and around VA is not worth it.

This^.

In Alexandria all the traffic problems are created by Maryland drivers coming into the city or Fairfax County for jobs. We think it our civic duty to support the poors.

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Anonymous wrote:I work in IT and we made this calculation when we moved to NoVa from DC 10 years ago. My spouse works in DC and we could have gone to VA or MD - but we knew my future opportunities would be in VA.

There is a lot to like about MD. It’s a better fit for us politically and it’s closer to visit family, but work commute and opportunities were more important.

10 years ago, that calculation made sense for IT professionals. The calculation is different in today’s world where most IT jobs are remote. I work in IT and was living in VA (Dulles Corridor). Since we are working remotely, we moved to MD for a better quality of life.

This. After the pandemic and being able to work remotely, we also moved to MD. I work in IT too.

So you are in both tech support and couldn't afford to live in Virginia.

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Publics are trash everywhere. Nova is a unplanned public hardscrabble. Md has all the privates and country clubs separated by Maryland’s Potomac river.

+1

We moved to moco for easy access to the privates. Covid exposed the NOVA public rot.

Can’t really get too excited about the idea of moving to MoCo for stuffy privates and then paying higher taxes all to underwrite MCPS’s expenditures of legal fees to defend allegations of sexual harassment and probe just how incompetent McKnight has been as superintendent.

Enjoy! Meanwhile we’ll take the greater job growth and equity appreciation across the river.

And UMD as your only real in-state public university—instead of UVA, William&Mary, VA Tech, JMU, GMU etc

B1G ten UMD, Annapolis, Georgetown and Hopkins all within a 30 mile radius is a vastly superior educational community. UMD alone has more national championships and alum have more nobels, pulitzers, emmys, academy awards and fields medals than all the Va colleges put together.

Um. We live in Arlington- 2 miles from Georgetown’s campus where I work. GU is in DC and it’s a private university not sure why you are claiming it as part of MD. GW-American-GU-GMU (and even Catholic) is a more typical grouping due to law/govt/public policy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I wfh, so I don't really care. Also, a lot more companies are going hybrid.

-MoCo resident

And your MoCo privilege is astounding.

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Publics are trash everywhere. Nova is a unplanned public hardscrabble. Md has all the privates and country clubs separated by Maryland’s Potomac river.

+1

We moved to moco for easy access to the privates. Covid exposed the NOVA public rot.

Can’t really get too excited about the idea of moving to MoCo for stuffy privates and then paying higher taxes all to underwrite MCPS’s expenditures of legal fees to defend allegations of sexual harassment and probe just how incompetent McKnight has been as superintendent.

Enjoy! Meanwhile we’ll take the greater job growth and equity appreciation across the river.

And UMD as your only real in-state public university—instead of UVA, William&Mary, VA Tech, JMU, GMU etc

B1G ten UMD, Annapolis, Georgetown and Hopkins all within a 30 mile radius is a vastly superior educational community. UMD alone has more national championships and alum have more nobels, pulitzers, emmys, academy awards and fields medals than all the Va colleges put together.

Um. We live in Arlington- 2 miles from Georgetown’s campus where I work. GU is in DC and it’s a private university not sure why you are claiming it as part of MD. GW-American-GU-GMU (and even Catholic) is a more typical grouping due to law/govt/public policy.

On the confederate side purposely separated by the big wide Potomac River (owned by DC/MD). DC is donated by and Embedded in Md with all roads and land connected. Georgetown Maryland was the original town.

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Publics are trash everywhere. Nova is a unplanned public hardscrabble. Md has all the privates and country clubs separated by Maryland’s Potomac river.

+1

We moved to moco for easy access to the privates. Covid exposed the NOVA public rot.

Can’t really get too excited about the idea of moving to MoCo for stuffy privates and then paying higher taxes all to underwrite MCPS’s expenditures of legal fees to defend allegations of sexual harassment and probe just how incompetent McKnight has been as superintendent.

Enjoy! Meanwhile we’ll take the greater job growth and equity appreciation across the river.

And UMD as your only real in-state public university—instead of UVA, William&Mary, VA Tech, JMU, GMU etc

B1G ten UMD, Annapolis, Georgetown and Hopkins all within a 30 mile radius is a vastly superior educational community. UMD alone has more national championships and alum have more nobels, pulitzers, emmys, academy awards and fields medals than all the Va colleges put together.

Um. We live in Arlington- 2 miles from Georgetown’s campus where I work. GU is in DC and it’s a private university not sure why you are claiming it as part of MD. GW-American-GU-GMU (and even Catholic) is a more typical grouping due to law/govt/public policy.

On the confederate side purposely separated by the big wide Potomac River (owned by DC/MD). DC is donated by and Embedded in Md with all roads and land connected. Georgetown Maryland was the original town.

You should just stop. You’re not even worth engaging in conversation.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I work in IT and we made this calculation when we moved to NoVa from DC 10 years ago. My spouse works in DC and we could have gone to VA or MD - but we knew my future opportunities would be in VA.

There is a lot to like about MD. It’s a better fit for us politically and it’s closer to visit family, but work commute and opportunities were more important.

10 years ago, that calculation made sense for IT professionals. The calculation is different in today’s world where most IT jobs are remote. I work in IT and was living in VA (Dulles Corridor). Since we are working remotely, we moved to MD for a better quality of life.

This. After the pandemic and being able to work remotely, we also moved to MD. I work in IT too.

So you are in both tech support and couldn't afford to live in Virginia.

I see that reading comprehension is not your forte.
See, we both used to live in VA, so we could definitely afford it. We just wanted a better quality of life and live far away from idiots like you.

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Publics are trash everywhere. Nova is a unplanned public hardscrabble. Md has all the privates and country clubs separated by Maryland’s Potomac river.

+1

We moved to moco for easy access to the privates. Covid exposed the NOVA public rot.

Can’t really get too excited about the idea of moving to MoCo for stuffy privates and then paying higher taxes all to underwrite MCPS’s expenditures of legal fees to defend allegations of sexual harassment and probe just how incompetent McKnight has been as superintendent.

Enjoy! Meanwhile we’ll take the greater job growth and equity appreciation across the river.

And UMD as your only real in-state public university—instead of UVA, William&Mary, VA Tech, JMU, GMU etc

B1G ten UMD, Annapolis, Georgetown and Hopkins all within a 30 mile radius is a vastly superior educational community. UMD alone has more national championships and alum have more nobels, pulitzers, emmys, academy awards and fields medals than all the Va colleges put together.

Um. We live in Arlington- 2 miles from Georgetown’s campus where I work. GU is in DC and it’s a private university not sure why you are claiming it as part of MD. GW-American-GU-GMU (and even Catholic) is a more typical grouping due to law/govt/public policy.

On the confederate side purposely separated by the big wide Potomac River (owned by DC/MD). DC is donated by and Embedded in Md with all roads and land connected. Georgetown Maryland was the original town.

You should just stop. You’re not even worth engaging in conversation.

DC is embedded in and interconnected physically on the north side of the river. Look at the Maryland traffic arteries .. Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Connecticut, Georgia, New Hampshire, Rhode Island, Pennsylvania avenues. Nova is the third wheel trying to glom on with desperate beer muscles in post after post.

[Anonymous]

My question is this: WTH are there SO many MD tags in VA during the weekends??

Go home, already!

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Publics are trash everywhere. Nova is a unplanned public hardscrabble. Md has all the privates and country clubs separated by Maryland’s Potomac river.

+1

We moved to moco for easy access to the privates. Covid exposed the NOVA public rot.

Can’t really get too excited about the idea of moving to MoCo for stuffy privates and then paying higher taxes all to underwrite MCPS’s expenditures of legal fees to defend allegations of sexual harassment and probe just how incompetent McKnight has been as superintendent.

Enjoy! Meanwhile we’ll take the greater job growth and equity appreciation across the river.

And UMD as your only real in-state public university—instead of UVA, William&Mary, VA Tech, JMU, GMU etc

B1G ten UMD, Annapolis, Georgetown and Hopkins all within a 30 mile radius is a vastly superior educational community. UMD alone has more national championships and alum have more nobels, pulitzers, emmys, academy awards and fields medals than all the Va colleges put together.

Um. We live in Arlington- 2 miles from Georgetown’s campus where I work. GU is in DC and it’s a private university not sure why you are claiming it as part of MD. GW-American-GU-GMU (and even Catholic) is a more typical grouping due to law/govt/public policy.

On the confederate side purposely separated by the big wide Potomac River (owned by DC/MD). DC is donated by and Embedded in Md with all roads and land connected. Georgetown Maryland was the original town.

You should just stop. You’re not even worth engaging in conversation.

"Terp Boy" is an infamous DCUM poster with some weird proclivities that go well beyond his Maryland boosterism.