Community Message Concerning Access to the Carver Educational Services Center on Thursday, July 20

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's clear that the Board's strategy is to just hope the protestors will go away. I think that's foolish and they should be actively working to seek a compromise with this group.

Separation of Church and State. Can't let a religion dictate what is taught in public schools.

Nah, MCPS should take a poll and it will be very clear, very quickly that normal population does not want 5 year old kids to get this non-sense ideas related to gender change. Nothing to do with religion. Every parent wants to protect their kids. The same population is much more comfortable to have this discussion in middle and high school.

More power to religious folks to fight this cause, but it's not religion vs secular issue. It's issue of parents not wanting to indoctrinate their kids.

It is inappropriate to teach six year old kids about changing their gender. MCPS should not be teaching that.

We don’t teach lessons on various sexual positions to middle schoolers in their MCPS Family Life Unit. Why is that? Because it would be inappropriate.

Same thing here.

Fortunately, MCPS is not doing that! There is no Family Life Unit in elementary school.

Luckily the state of Maryland gives parents the right to opt out of the Family Life Units taught in elementary and middle school.

I’m sure if MCPS had its way, it would force it on all kids.

But in this case, MCPS seems to be trying to get around the state law that allows parents to opt out. By reading these books as part of the Language Arts curriculum.

I mean, yeah, if having an ELA curriculum is MCPS's way of getting around a state law that allows parents to opt out of Family Life. I am pretty sure state law requires MCPS to have an ELA curriculum, though.

[Anonymous]

Me again (the PP who posted without thinking about the Family Life education in MCPS elementary school). I guess people better start opting their kids out of the insidious dangers of the kindergarten Family Life curriculum? Because if just *books* about families that are LGBTQ are already too much, actual families that are LGBTQ must be way, way, way over the line.

A. Family Unit
4.K.A.1. Define a family unit.
4.K.A.1.a.
Describe what is a family.
4.K.A.1.b.
Label who is in your family.
4.K.A.1.c.
Explain/Interpret where you fit in your family structure.
4.K.A.1.d.
Analyze family structures in media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Whoever suggested LGBTQ lobby to target elementary school kids for indoctrination did a poor job. Awareness simply went manifold here. I did not even know that this was going on.

Keep this LGBTQ stuff for middle and high school. Mental health of young kids are important. 5 year is not the age to discuss this. It's just insane.

The fact that they would not allow Ethiopian immigrant children to quietly read books in the library while LGBTQ books are discussed reminds me of the AIDS walkers won't allow Kramer to walk without wearing an AIDS ribbon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3iV8X8ubGCc

Weird comment. MCPS policy applies to all kids equally, regardless of ethnicity or parents' country of origin.

[Anonymous]

https://moco360.media/2023/07/20/volume-of-lgbtq-opt-out-requests-caused-significant-disruptions-mcps-says-in-legal-filing/

"Next Monday morning, Montgomery County Council of PTAs leader Laura Stewart and school board member Julie Yang (Dist. 3) have been invited to join the District 15 Democratic Caucus for a conversation regarding the opt-out policy. According to Stewart, Yang will provide further insight into the school district’s curriculum guidelines and their implementation."

Where is this meeting? Is it open to the public?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Me again (the PP who posted without thinking about the Family Life education in MCPS elementary school). I guess people better start opting their kids out of the insidious dangers of the kindergarten Family Life curriculum? Because if just *books* about families that are LGBTQ are already too much, actual families that are LGBTQ must be way, way, way over the line.

A. Family Unit
4.K.A.1. Define a family unit.
4.K.A.1.a.
Describe what is a family.
4.K.A.1.b.
Label who is in your family.
4.K.A.1.c.
Explain/Interpret where you fit in your family structure.
4.K.A.1.d.
Analyze family structures in media.

https://moco360.media/2023/07/20/volume-of-lgbtq-opt-out-requests-caused-significant-disruptions-mcps-says-in-legal-filing/

MCPS removed opt-out because too many people opted out...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Me again (the PP who posted without thinking about the Family Life education in MCPS elementary school). I guess people better start opting their kids out of the insidious dangers of the kindergarten Family Life curriculum? Because if just *books* about families that are LGBTQ are already too much, actual families that are LGBTQ must be way, way, way over the line.

A. Family Unit
4.K.A.1. Define a family unit.
4.K.A.1.a.
Describe what is a family.
4.K.A.1.b.
Label who is in your family.
4.K.A.1.c.
Explain/Interpret where you fit in your family structure.
4.K.A.1.d.
Analyze family structures in media.

https://moco360.media/2023/07/20/volume-of-lgbtq-opt-out-requests-caused-significant-disruptions-mcps-says-in-legal-filing/

MCPS removed opt-out because too many people opted out...

MCPS removed opt-out of the ELA curriculum because the opt-out was disruptive. There is still an opt-out of the Family Life and Human Sexuality curriculum (except for HIV and AIDS prevention). So don't worry, you can opt your kindergartner out of describing what is a family, labeling who is in their family, explaining/interpreting where they fit in their family structure, and analyzing family structures in media.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's clear that the Board's strategy is to just hope the protestors will go away. I think that's foolish and they should be actively working to seek a compromise with this group.

Why? To send the message that the Board will give in to protesters, if there are enough protesters?

"We don't negotiate with terrorists."- Les Grossman

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Me again (the PP who posted without thinking about the Family Life education in MCPS elementary school). I guess people better start opting their kids out of the insidious dangers of the kindergarten Family Life curriculum? Because if just *books* about families that are LGBTQ are already too much, actual families that are LGBTQ must be way, way, way over the line.

A. Family Unit
4.K.A.1. Define a family unit.
4.K.A.1.a.
Describe what is a family.
4.K.A.1.b.
Label who is in your family.
4.K.A.1.c.
Explain/Interpret where you fit in your family structure.
4.K.A.1.d.
Analyze family structures in media.

https://moco360.media/2023/07/20/volume-of-lgbtq-opt-out-requests-caused-significant-disruptions-mcps-says-in-legal-filing/

MCPS removed opt-out because too many people opted out...

MCPS removed opt-out of the ELA curriculum because the opt-out was disruptive. There is still an opt-out of the Family Life and Human Sexuality curriculum (except for HIV and AIDS prevention). So don't worry, you can opt your kindergartner out of describing what is a family, labeling who is in their family, explaining/interpreting where they fit in their family structure, and analyzing family structures in media.

MCPS used to allow people to opt out of certain ELA lessons, but MCPS discontinued it this year because too many opted out.

MCPS can accommodate the opt-outs if they group their ELA LGBTQ lessons together.

The court must balance the plaintiffs' religious rights and MCPS's educational goals.

I think the court will grant the plaintiffs' preliminary injunction to preserve the old system while the court case progresses.

[Anonymous]

LGBTQ books belong in the family life curriculum. Period.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Me again (the PP who posted without thinking about the Family Life education in MCPS elementary school). I guess people better start opting their kids out of the insidious dangers of the kindergarten Family Life curriculum? Because if just *books* about families that are LGBTQ are already too much, actual families that are LGBTQ must be way, way, way over the line.

A. Family Unit
4.K.A.1. Define a family unit.
4.K.A.1.a.
Describe what is a family.
4.K.A.1.b.
Label who is in your family.
4.K.A.1.c.
Explain/Interpret where you fit in your family structure.
4.K.A.1.d.
Analyze family structures in media.

https://moco360.media/2023/07/20/volume-of-lgbtq-opt-out-requests-caused-significant-disruptions-mcps-says-in-legal-filing/

MCPS removed opt-out because too many people opted out...

MCPS removed opt-out of the ELA curriculum because the opt-out was disruptive. There is still an opt-out of the Family Life and Human Sexuality curriculum (except for HIV and AIDS prevention). So don't worry, you can opt your kindergartner out of describing what is a family, labeling who is in their family, explaining/interpreting where they fit in their family structure, and analyzing family structures in media.

MCPS used to allow people to opt out of certain ELA lessons, but MCPS discontinued it this year because too many opted out.

MCPS can accommodate the opt-outs if they group their ELA LGBTQ lessons together.

The court must balance the plaintiffs' religious rights and MCPS's educational goals.

I think the court will grant the plaintiffs' preliminary injunction to preserve the old system while the court case progresses.

It's not about "religious rights." People have a right to choose whether or not to send their child to public school; they do not have a right to choose how public school teaches their child. And the no-opt-out policy applies equally to people with religious objections to the ELA curriculum and people with non-religious objections to the ELA curriculum. (Or do you think that people with religious objections should be allowed to opt their children out, but people with non-religious objections should not be allowed to opt their children out?)

As for your truly appalling idea of a separate-but-equal ELA curriculum for LGBTQ students and/or students with LGBTQ families: "MCPS cannot ensure that it is providing a classroom environment that is safe for all students, that allows LGBTQ students to thrive, and that meets its obligations under state and federal laws, if students can be excused from class any time their teacher uses the LGBTQ Inclusive Books."

Finally, it's not possible to "preserve" a policy that no longer exists. The current policy is: no opt-out of any curriculum, except the Family Life and Human Sexuality curriculum as required by state law.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:LGBTQ books belong in the family life curriculum. Period.

So "Lilly's Big Day" (Lilly participates in the wedding of a man and a woman) belongs in the ELA curriculum, but "Uncle Bobby's Wedding" (Chloe participates in the wedding of a man and a man) belongs in the Family Life curriculum ("Period")? Why?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Me again (the PP who posted without thinking about the Family Life education in MCPS elementary school). I guess people better start opting their kids out of the insidious dangers of the kindergarten Family Life curriculum? Because if just *books* about families that are LGBTQ are already too much, actual families that are LGBTQ must be way, way, way over the line.

A. Family Unit
4.K.A.1. Define a family unit.
4.K.A.1.a.
Describe what is a family.
4.K.A.1.b.
Label who is in your family.
4.K.A.1.c.
Explain/Interpret where you fit in your family structure.
4.K.A.1.d.
Analyze family structures in media.

https://moco360.media/2023/07/20/volume-of-lgbtq-opt-out-requests-caused-significant-disruptions-mcps-says-in-legal-filing/

MCPS removed opt-out because too many people opted out...

MCPS removed opt-out of the ELA curriculum because the opt-out was disruptive. There is still an opt-out of the Family Life and Human Sexuality curriculum (except for HIV and AIDS prevention). So don't worry, you can opt your kindergartner out of describing what is a family, labeling who is in their family, explaining/interpreting where they fit in their family structure, and analyzing family structures in media.

MCPS used to allow people to opt out of certain ELA lessons, but MCPS discontinued it this year because too many opted out.

MCPS can accommodate the opt-outs if they group their ELA LGBTQ lessons together.

The court must balance the plaintiffs' religious rights and MCPS's educational goals.

I think the court will grant the plaintiffs' preliminary injunction to preserve the old system while the court case progresses.

It's not about "religious rights." People have a right to choose whether or not to send their child to public school; they do not have a right to choose how public school teaches their child. And the no-opt-out policy applies equally to people with religious objections to the ELA curriculum and people with non-religious objections to the ELA curriculum. (Or do you think that people with religious objections should be allowed to opt their children out, but people with non-religious objections should not be allowed to opt their children out?)

As for your truly appalling idea of a separate-but-equal ELA curriculum for LGBTQ students and/or students with LGBTQ families: "MCPS cannot ensure that it is providing a classroom environment that is safe for all students, that allows LGBTQ students to thrive, and that meets its obligations under state and federal laws, if students can be excused from class any time their teacher uses the LGBTQ Inclusive Books."

Finally, it's not possible to "preserve" a policy that no longer exists. The current policy is: no opt-out of any curriculum, except the Family Life and Human Sexuality curriculum as required by state law.

MCPS changed the rules this year, and that prompted the plaintiffs to sue.

If the Maryland District Court does not grant the plaintiffs' preliminary injunction, it will be immediately appealed to the Fourth Circuit. If the Fourth Circuit does not grant it, it will be appealed to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court will almost certainly grant it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:LGBTQ books belong in the family life curriculum. Period.

So "Lilly's Big Day" (Lilly participates in the wedding of a man and a woman) belongs in the ELA curriculum, but "Uncle Bobby's Wedding" (Chloe participates in the wedding of a man and a man) belongs in the Family Life curriculum ("Period")? Why?

I don’t have a problem with books about adults getting married. It’s the ones that portray kids and gender or romance (gay or not). There are books about changing genders and about a crush someone has on another kid who happens to be the same sex. Those don’t belong in ELA.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Me again (the PP who posted without thinking about the Family Life education in MCPS elementary school). I guess people better start opting their kids out of the insidious dangers of the kindergarten Family Life curriculum? Because if just *books* about families that are LGBTQ are already too much, actual families that are LGBTQ must be way, way, way over the line.

A. Family Unit
4.K.A.1. Define a family unit.
4.K.A.1.a.
Describe what is a family.
4.K.A.1.b.
Label who is in your family.
4.K.A.1.c.
Explain/Interpret where you fit in your family structure.
4.K.A.1.d.
Analyze family structures in media.

https://moco360.media/2023/07/20/volume-of-lgbtq-opt-out-requests-caused-significant-disruptions-mcps-says-in-legal-filing/

MCPS removed opt-out because too many people opted out...

MCPS removed opt-out of the ELA curriculum because the opt-out was disruptive. There is still an opt-out of the Family Life and Human Sexuality curriculum (except for HIV and AIDS prevention). So don't worry, you can opt your kindergartner out of describing what is a family, labeling who is in their family, explaining/interpreting where they fit in their family structure, and analyzing family structures in media.

MCPS used to allow people to opt out of certain ELA lessons, but MCPS discontinued it this year because too many opted out.

MCPS can accommodate the opt-outs if they group their ELA LGBTQ lessons together.

The court must balance the plaintiffs' religious rights and MCPS's educational goals.

I think the court will grant the plaintiffs' preliminary injunction to preserve the old system while the court case progresses.

It's not about "religious rights." People have a right to choose whether or not to send their child to public school; they do not have a right to choose how public school teaches their child. And the no-opt-out policy applies equally to people with religious objections to the ELA curriculum and people with non-religious objections to the ELA curriculum. (Or do you think that people with religious objections should be allowed to opt their children out, but people with non-religious objections should not be allowed to opt their children out?)

As for your truly appalling idea of a separate-but-equal ELA curriculum for LGBTQ students and/or students with LGBTQ families: "MCPS cannot ensure that it is providing a classroom environment that is safe for all students, that allows LGBTQ students to thrive, and that meets its obligations under state and federal laws, if students can be excused from class any time their teacher uses the LGBTQ Inclusive Books."

Finally, it's not possible to "preserve" a policy that no longer exists. The current policy is: no opt-out of any curriculum, except the Family Life and Human Sexuality curriculum as required by state law.

MCPS changed the rules this year, and that prompted the plaintiffs to sue.

If the Maryland District Court does not grant the plaintiffs' preliminary injunction, it will be immediately appealed to the Fourth Circuit. If the Fourth Circuit does not grant it, it will be appealed to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court will almost certainly grant it.

Says your crystal ball.

People who are interested can read MCPS's legal filing here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L0BKX9u-EuvS8B2pkvB0zY58eqUsDSfg/view?pli=1

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Me again (the PP who posted without thinking about the Family Life education in MCPS elementary school). I guess people better start opting their kids out of the insidious dangers of the kindergarten Family Life curriculum? Because if just *books* about families that are LGBTQ are already too much, actual families that are LGBTQ must be way, way, way over the line.

A. Family Unit
4.K.A.1. Define a family unit.
4.K.A.1.a.
Describe what is a family.
4.K.A.1.b.
Label who is in your family.
4.K.A.1.c.
Explain/Interpret where you fit in your family structure.
4.K.A.1.d.
Analyze family structures in media.

https://moco360.media/2023/07/20/volume-of-lgbtq-opt-out-requests-caused-significant-disruptions-mcps-says-in-legal-filing/

MCPS removed opt-out because too many people opted out...

MCPS removed opt-out of the ELA curriculum because the opt-out was disruptive. There is still an opt-out of the Family Life and Human Sexuality curriculum (except for HIV and AIDS prevention). So don't worry, you can opt your kindergartner out of describing what is a family, labeling who is in their family, explaining/interpreting where they fit in their family structure, and analyzing family structures in media.

MCPS used to allow people to opt out of certain ELA lessons, but MCPS discontinued it this year because too many opted out.

MCPS can accommodate the opt-outs if they group their ELA LGBTQ lessons together.

The court must balance the plaintiffs' religious rights and MCPS's educational goals.

I think the court will grant the plaintiffs' preliminary injunction to preserve the old system while the court case progresses.

It's not about "religious rights." People have a right to choose whether or not to send their child to public school; they do not have a right to choose how public school teaches their child. And the no-opt-out policy applies equally to people with religious objections to the ELA curriculum and people with non-religious objections to the ELA curriculum. (Or do you think that people with religious objections should be allowed to opt their children out, but people with non-religious objections should not be allowed to opt their children out?)

As for your truly appalling idea of a separate-but-equal ELA curriculum for LGBTQ students and/or students with LGBTQ families: "MCPS cannot ensure that it is providing a classroom environment that is safe for all students, that allows LGBTQ students to thrive, and that meets its obligations under state and federal laws, if students can be excused from class any time their teacher uses the LGBTQ Inclusive Books."

Finally, it's not possible to "preserve" a policy that no longer exists. The current policy is: no opt-out of any curriculum, except the Family Life and Human Sexuality curriculum as required by state law.

MCPS changed the rules this year, and that prompted the plaintiffs to sue.

If the Maryland District Court does not grant the plaintiffs' preliminary injunction, it will be immediately appealed to the Fourth Circuit. If the Fourth Circuit does not grant it, it will be appealed to the Supreme Court, and the Supreme Court will almost certainly grant it.

Says your crystal ball.

People who are interested can read MCPS's legal filing here: https://drive.google.com/file/d/1L0BKX9u-EuvS8B2pkvB0zY58eqUsDSfg/view?pli=1

The PP thinks if they keep sharing the legal filing that people are going to actual read and agree with it 😂