Thank God I’m an Atheist

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Anonymous wrote:^ This kinda surprising because one of the main reasons people in the world believe in God is so he can cure their illnesses, make them walk again, give them a baby, make the crops grow and so forth. People believe in God for what he can do for them.

can you explain what the eye-rolling is all about? You disagree?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine a person of faith saying similarly hateful and often untrue things about atheism on DCUM.

What are you referring to? The last few posts were about how us atheists just don’t understand the leap of faith it takes to pray to a God that seems to us to be pretty capricious about his interventions. Clearly it makes sense to those who believe (otherwise why would you pray) but not to those who don’t. Surely you can see that is one of the big dividers between us?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to believe there’s a god who’s all powerful and yet allows so much horror and violence in the world.

That's what finished me.

Horrific child abuse.

A child born with a disability, and then dealing with cancer 4 times before he was even a teenager. Cruelty.

But... free will???? I don't get it, and never will. It's just some pitiful attempt to explain why there is such immense suffering and a god that doesn't do anything to alleviate it. And there isn't an excuse. No afterlife can compensate for some of the suffering I know people have experienced, and most of them don't deserve it. Yet the same people that use the "free will" card will also thank their god for being "blessed" by god in finding their soulmate, or having their layover shortened by 4 hours after praying about it. It's mind boggling, arrogant, self centered, and immoral to me. (these are real life examples of what a christian acquaintance counts as her blessings).

Parents of said child posted about how wonderful God is when the boy went into remission. I can't wrap my head around that. "Child just suffered through ANOTHER round of treatments, but YAY God is wonderful."

There are many children who didn't make it through that round of treatment. I think what they are saying that God is wonderful to them for saving their child's life.

This right here is the part of faith that I (as an atheist) just don’t get. I get being grateful that your kid was one of the lucky ones that made it through the treatment successfully. But how do you give praise to “God” for that rather than the researchers and doctors and nurses who made that even possible? And why do you not hold “God” responsible for putting your kid in this position in the first place?

I am so fortunate that to date both my children have been healthy and well. So I cannot understand at all what these parents are going through. But for much more mundane things (like a kid not making a sports team or a kid getting into the college of their choice), I neither blame nor praise anyone and know things could have gone differently. That is what I emphasize to my kids to build their resiliency.

That, right there. That's the crux of it for me.

+1. Me too. And beyond that, if you follow that thought logically, then it’s saying the god that you believe in decided to let your child come through the treatment. Which then presupposes that that god had the power to do that BEFORE the child got cancer and suffered. And that also follows logically that this god decided NOT to allow the other children to live at all. So if you assume that power at all, then you have to see the whole picture and it makes no logical sense and even if you believe there is some “reason” that is unknown to us for the level of suffering I know exists on this earth while a god sits there allowing it (by default when someone says they are blessed or grateful for gods intervention for the positive ), then that god is a monster and I for one will not worship him .

For a long time now I have felt that if God were a person on earth he would be a manipulative, controlling, abusive jerk.

And a narcissist. Today I heard someone give the explanation for suffering on earth as “god wants to bring you closer to him through your suffering “. That concept disgusts me .

I think that this is one of the basic tenants of Christianity and has been since the early Church. This is part of what differentiates Christians from pagan Greeks or Romans.
Jupiter or Zeus made people suffer because he was angry about something and wanted to punish them.
The Christian God only wants you to be perfected and be closer to Him. He doesn’t cause suffering per se, but when you do suffer and bad things do happen, the Christian God wants you to use that experience to become a better person. (ie. What doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger).
You can imagine this concept coming into play when early Christians were being persecuted and hiding in catacombs. They must have felt that this suffering had to be worth something.

Of course, you have free will to make whatever you choose of your life.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to believe there’s a god who’s all powerful and yet allows so much horror and violence in the world.

That's what finished me.

Horrific child abuse.

A child born with a disability, and then dealing with cancer 4 times before he was even a teenager. Cruelty.

But... free will???? I don't get it, and never will. It's just some pitiful attempt to explain why there is such immense suffering and a god that doesn't do anything to alleviate it. And there isn't an excuse. No afterlife can compensate for some of the suffering I know people have experienced, and most of them don't deserve it. Yet the same people that use the "free will" card will also thank their god for being "blessed" by god in finding their soulmate, or having their layover shortened by 4 hours after praying about it. It's mind boggling, arrogant, self centered, and immoral to me. (these are real life examples of what a christian acquaintance counts as her blessings).

Parents of said child posted about how wonderful God is when the boy went into remission. I can't wrap my head around that. "Child just suffered through ANOTHER round of treatments, but YAY God is wonderful."

There are many children who didn't make it through that round of treatment. I think what they are saying that God is wonderful to them for saving their child's life.

This right here is the part of faith that I (as an atheist) just don’t get. I get being grateful that your kid was one of the lucky ones that made it through the treatment successfully. But how do you give praise to “God” for that rather than the researchers and doctors and nurses who made that even possible? And why do you not hold “God” responsible for putting your kid in this position in the first place?

I am so fortunate that to date both my children have been healthy and well. So I cannot understand at all what these parents are going through. But for much more mundane things (like a kid not making a sports team or a kid getting into the college of their choice), I neither blame nor praise anyone and know things could have gone differently. That is what I emphasize to my kids to build their resiliency.

That, right there. That's the crux of it for me.

+1. Me too. And beyond that, if you follow that thought logically, then it’s saying the god that you believe in decided to let your child come through the treatment. Which then presupposes that that god had the power to do that BEFORE the child got cancer and suffered. And that also follows logically that this god decided NOT to allow the other children to live at all. So if you assume that power at all, then you have to see the whole picture and it makes no logical sense and even if you believe there is some “reason” that is unknown to us for the level of suffering I know exists on this earth while a god sits there allowing it (by default when someone says they are blessed or grateful for gods intervention for the positive ), then that god is a monster and I for one will not worship him .

For a long time now I have felt that if God were a person on earth he would be a manipulative, controlling, abusive jerk.

And a narcissist. Today I heard someone give the explanation for suffering on earth as “god wants to bring you closer to him through your suffering “. That concept disgusts me .

I think that this is one of the basic tenants of Christianity and has been since the early Church. This is part of what differentiates Christians from pagan Greeks or Romans.
Jupiter or Zeus made people suffer because he was angry about something and wanted to punish them.
The Christian God only wants you to be perfected and be closer to Him. He doesn’t cause suffering per se, but when you do suffer and bad things do happen, the Christian God wants you to use that experience to become a better person. (ie. What doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger).
You can imagine this concept coming into play when early Christians were being persecuted and hiding in catacombs. They must have felt that this suffering had to be worth something.

Of course, you have free will to make whatever you choose of your life.

Thank you PP. This makes a lot of sense. So early Christians were comforted by believing that although they would rather not be suffering, at least if they were suffering it wasn’t because God was mad at them and rather their experience might bring them closer to God. A friend told me that Hindu’s saw the world in a similar way - that you had to walk your path (dharma) and even if there was suffering, it helped you attain moksha (eternity).

Is that what modern Christians mean when they say “god wants to bring you closer to him through your suffering”?

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to believe there’s a god who’s all powerful and yet allows so much horror and violence in the world.

That's what finished me.

Horrific child abuse.

A child born with a disability, and then dealing with cancer 4 times before he was even a teenager. Cruelty.

But... free will???? I don't get it, and never will. It's just some pitiful attempt to explain why there is such immense suffering and a god that doesn't do anything to alleviate it. And there isn't an excuse. No afterlife can compensate for some of the suffering I know people have experienced, and most of them don't deserve it. Yet the same people that use the "free will" card will also thank their god for being "blessed" by god in finding their soulmate, or having their layover shortened by 4 hours after praying about it. It's mind boggling, arrogant, self centered, and immoral to me. (these are real life examples of what a christian acquaintance counts as her blessings).

Parents of said child posted about how wonderful God is when the boy went into remission. I can't wrap my head around that. "Child just suffered through ANOTHER round of treatments, but YAY God is wonderful."

There are many children who didn't make it through that round of treatment. I think what they are saying that God is wonderful to them for saving their child's life.

This right here is the part of faith that I (as an atheist) just don’t get. I get being grateful that your kid was one of the lucky ones that made it through the treatment successfully. But how do you give praise to “God” for that rather than the researchers and doctors and nurses who made that even possible? And why do you not hold “God” responsible for putting your kid in this position in the first place?

I am so fortunate that to date both my children have been healthy and well. So I cannot understand at all what these parents are going through. But for much more mundane things (like a kid not making a sports team or a kid getting into the college of their choice), I neither blame nor praise anyone and know things could have gone differently. That is what I emphasize to my kids to build their resiliency.

That, right there. That's the crux of it for me.

+1. Me too. And beyond that, if you follow that thought logically, then it’s saying the god that you believe in decided to let your child come through the treatment. Which then presupposes that that god had the power to do that BEFORE the child got cancer and suffered. And that also follows logically that this god decided NOT to allow the other children to live at all. So if you assume that power at all, then you have to see the whole picture and it makes no logical sense and even if you believe there is some “reason” that is unknown to us for the level of suffering I know exists on this earth while a god sits there allowing it (by default when someone says they are blessed or grateful for gods intervention for the positive ), then that god is a monster and I for one will not worship him .

For a long time now I have felt that if God were a person on earth he would be a manipulative, controlling, abusive jerk.

And a narcissist. Today I heard someone give the explanation for suffering on earth as “god wants to bring you closer to him through your suffering “. That concept disgusts me .

I think that this is one of the basic tenants of Christianity and has been since the early Church. This is part of what differentiates Christians from pagan Greeks or Romans.
Jupiter or Zeus made people suffer because he was angry about something and wanted to punish them.
The Christian God only wants you to be perfected and be closer to Him. He doesn’t cause suffering per se, but when you do suffer and bad things do happen, the Christian God wants you to use that experience to become a better person. (ie. What doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger).
You can imagine this concept coming into play when early Christians were being persecuted and hiding in catacombs. They must have felt that this suffering had to be worth something.

Of course, you have free will to make whatever you choose of your life.

Thank you PP. This makes a lot of sense. So early Christians were comforted by believing that although they would rather not be suffering, at least if they were suffering it wasn’t because God was mad at them and rather their experience might bring them closer to God. A friend told me that Hindu’s saw the world in a similar way - that you had to walk your path (dharma) and even if there was suffering, it helped you attain moksha (eternity).

Is that what modern Christians mean when they say “god wants to bring you closer to him through your suffering”?

I don’t know exactly what people mean when they say that, but I think so.

I’m Catholic, and most Catholics I know are more likely to say something like “offer it up.” Meaning to offer up suffering as a kind of prayer or penance for yourself or someone else.
My kids go to Catholic school, and they will have someone that they are praying for as a class every week (usually a family member of one of the students). They are encouraged to “offer up” any pain or any time they follow a rule they don’t want to (like cleaning up after themselves or coming in after recess) as an offering for this person.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to believe there’s a god who’s all powerful and yet allows so much horror and violence in the world.

That's what finished me.

Horrific child abuse.

A child born with a disability, and then dealing with cancer 4 times before he was even a teenager. Cruelty.

But... free will???? I don't get it, and never will. It's just some pitiful attempt to explain why there is such immense suffering and a god that doesn't do anything to alleviate it. And there isn't an excuse. No afterlife can compensate for some of the suffering I know people have experienced, and most of them don't deserve it. Yet the same people that use the "free will" card will also thank their god for being "blessed" by god in finding their soulmate, or having their layover shortened by 4 hours after praying about it. It's mind boggling, arrogant, self centered, and immoral to me. (these are real life examples of what a christian acquaintance counts as her blessings).

Parents of said child posted about how wonderful God is when the boy went into remission. I can't wrap my head around that. "Child just suffered through ANOTHER round of treatments, but YAY God is wonderful."

There are many children who didn't make it through that round of treatment. I think what they are saying that God is wonderful to them for saving their child's life.

This right here is the part of faith that I (as an atheist) just don’t get. I get being grateful that your kid was one of the lucky ones that made it through the treatment successfully. But how do you give praise to “God” for that rather than the researchers and doctors and nurses who made that even possible? And why do you not hold “God” responsible for putting your kid in this position in the first place?

I am so fortunate that to date both my children have been healthy and well. So I cannot understand at all what these parents are going through. But for much more mundane things (like a kid not making a sports team or a kid getting into the college of their choice), I neither blame nor praise anyone and know things could have gone differently. That is what I emphasize to my kids to build their resiliency.

That, right there. That's the crux of it for me.

+1. Me too. And beyond that, if you follow that thought logically, then it’s saying the god that you believe in decided to let your child come through the treatment. Which then presupposes that that god had the power to do that BEFORE the child got cancer and suffered. And that also follows logically that this god decided NOT to allow the other children to live at all. So if you assume that power at all, then you have to see the whole picture and it makes no logical sense and even if you believe there is some “reason” that is unknown to us for the level of suffering I know exists on this earth while a god sits there allowing it (by default when someone says they are blessed or grateful for gods intervention for the positive ), then that god is a monster and I for one will not worship him .

For a long time now I have felt that if God were a person on earth he would be a manipulative, controlling, abusive jerk.

And a narcissist. Today I heard someone give the explanation for suffering on earth as “god wants to bring you closer to him through your suffering “. That concept disgusts me .

I think that this is one of the basic tenants of Christianity and has been since the early Church. This is part of what differentiates Christians from pagan Greeks or Romans.
Jupiter or Zeus made people suffer because he was angry about something and wanted to punish them.
The Christian God only wants you to be perfected and be closer to Him. He doesn’t cause suffering per se, but when you do suffer and bad things do happen, the Christian God wants you to use that experience to become a better person. (ie. What doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger).
You can imagine this concept coming into play when early Christians were being persecuted and hiding in catacombs. They must have felt that this suffering had to be worth something.

Of course, you have free will to make whatever you choose of your life.

Thank you PP. This makes a lot of sense. So early Christians were comforted by believing that although they would rather not be suffering, at least if they were suffering it wasn’t because God was mad at them and rather their experience might bring them closer to God. A friend told me that Hindu’s saw the world in a similar way - that you had to walk your path (dharma) and even if there was suffering, it helped you attain moksha (eternity).

Is that what modern Christians mean when they say “god wants to bring you closer to him through your suffering”?

I think this is what people mean. It’s funny how similar world religions are when you get down to it.

People often aren’t very articulate in the moment, especially when it comes to religion. There are so many taboos on discussing religion in public that you don’t realize what other people do and don’t understand when they don’t have a similar religious background.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t want to believe there’s a god who’s all powerful and yet allows so much horror and violence in the world.

That's what finished me.

Horrific child abuse.

A child born with a disability, and then dealing with cancer 4 times before he was even a teenager. Cruelty.

But... free will???? I don't get it, and never will. It's just some pitiful attempt to explain why there is such immense suffering and a god that doesn't do anything to alleviate it. And there isn't an excuse. No afterlife can compensate for some of the suffering I know people have experienced, and most of them don't deserve it. Yet the same people that use the "free will" card will also thank their god for being "blessed" by god in finding their soulmate, or having their layover shortened by 4 hours after praying about it. It's mind boggling, arrogant, self centered, and immoral to me. (these are real life examples of what a christian acquaintance counts as her blessings).

Parents of said child posted about how wonderful God is when the boy went into remission. I can't wrap my head around that. "Child just suffered through ANOTHER round of treatments, but YAY God is wonderful."

There are many children who didn't make it through that round of treatment. I think what they are saying that God is wonderful to them for saving their child's life.

This right here is the part of faith that I (as an atheist) just don’t get. I get being grateful that your kid was one of the lucky ones that made it through the treatment successfully. But how do you give praise to “God” for that rather than the researchers and doctors and nurses who made that even possible? And why do you not hold “God” responsible for putting your kid in this position in the first place?

I am so fortunate that to date both my children have been healthy and well. So I cannot understand at all what these parents are going through. But for much more mundane things (like a kid not making a sports team or a kid getting into the college of their choice), I neither blame nor praise anyone and know things could have gone differently. That is what I emphasize to my kids to build their resiliency.

That, right there. That's the crux of it for me.

+1. Me too. And beyond that, if you follow that thought logically, then it’s saying the god that you believe in decided to let your child come through the treatment. Which then presupposes that that god had the power to do that BEFORE the child got cancer and suffered. And that also follows logically that this god decided NOT to allow the other children to live at all. So if you assume that power at all, then you have to see the whole picture and it makes no logical sense and even if you believe there is some “reason” that is unknown to us for the level of suffering I know exists on this earth while a god sits there allowing it (by default when someone says they are blessed or grateful for gods intervention for the positive ), then that god is a monster and I for one will not worship him .

For a long time now I have felt that if God were a person on earth he would be a manipulative, controlling, abusive jerk.

And a narcissist. Today I heard someone give the explanation for suffering on earth as “god wants to bring you closer to him through your suffering “. That concept disgusts me .

I think that this is one of the basic tenants of Christianity and has been since the early Church. This is part of what differentiates Christians from pagan Greeks or Romans.
Jupiter or Zeus made people suffer because he was angry about something and wanted to punish them.
The Christian God only wants you to be perfected and be closer to Him. He doesn’t cause suffering per se, but when you do suffer and bad things do happen, the Christian God wants you to use that experience to become a better person. (ie. What doesn’t kill you only makes you stronger).
You can imagine this concept coming into play when early Christians were being persecuted and hiding in catacombs. They must have felt that this suffering had to be worth something.

Of course, you have free will to make whatever you choose of your life.

Thank you PP. This makes a lot of sense. So early Christians were comforted by believing that although they would rather not be suffering, at least if they were suffering it wasn’t because God was mad at them and rather their experience might bring them closer to God. A friend told me that Hindu’s saw the world in a similar way - that you had to walk your path (dharma) and even if there was suffering, it helped you attain moksha (eternity).

Is that what modern Christians mean when they say “god wants to bring you closer to him through your suffering”?

I don’t know exactly what people mean when they say that, but I think so.

I’m Catholic, and most Catholics I know are more likely to say something like “offer it up.” Meaning to offer up suffering as a kind of prayer or penance for yourself or someone else.
My kids go to Catholic school, and they will have someone that they are praying for as a class every week (usually a family member of one of the students). They are encouraged to “offer up” any pain or any time they follow a rule they don’t want to (like cleaning up after themselves or coming in after recess) as an offering for this person.

What in the world does that even mean ?

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All the major religions are misogynistic, which is how we know they are creations of men and not creations of something divine.

That is why I’m an atheist in terms of all known gods on offer.

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Anonymous wrote:All the major religions are misogynistic, which is how we know they are creations of men and not creations of something divine.

That is why I’m an atheist in terms of all known gods on offer.

Jesus brought women into the sphere of faith and even leadership. He told Martha, who was busy in the kitchen cooking for her guests, to join her sister Martha to learn from Jesus' teaching. He pardoned a prostitute. Women were the first to see the empty tomb after the cruxifiction, and the first to spread the news to the men. Of course, what the patriarchy did with all this after a few centuries later is another story.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine a person of faith saying similarly hateful and often untrue things about atheism on DCUM.

What part is untrue or disgusting?

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Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine a person of faith saying similarly hateful and often untrue things about atheism on DCUM.

What are you referring to? The last few posts were about how us atheists just don’t understand the leap of faith it takes to pray to a God that seems to us to be pretty capricious about his interventions. Clearly it makes sense to those who believe (otherwise why would you pray) but not to those who don’t. Surely you can see that is one of the big dividers between us?

There are other reasons to pray besides believing that God will intervene on your behalf.
If your child is sick, for example, you might pray for all sorts of reasons that don’t include curing your child.

I mean, even if you don’t believe in God, you would still reach out to people (family, friends, etc) who wouldn’t be able to cure your child.

Prayer is about filling a spiritual need, not a pragmatic one. The reason you would pray is more like the reason you would call your sister or your mom when your child is sick and less like the reason you would call your pediatrician when your child is sick.

Does that make more sense?

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Pretty much, OP. Me too.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine a person of faith saying similarly hateful and often untrue things about atheism on DCUM.

What are you referring to? The last few posts were about how us atheists just don’t understand the leap of faith it takes to pray to a God that seems to us to be pretty capricious about his interventions. Clearly it makes sense to those who believe (otherwise why would you pray) but not to those who don’t. Surely you can see that is one of the big dividers between us?

There are other reasons to pray besides believing that God will intervene on your behalf.
If your child is sick, for example, you might pray for all sorts of reasons that don’t include curing your child.

I mean, even if you don’t believe in God, you would still reach out to people (family, friends, etc) who wouldn’t be able to cure your child.

Prayer is about filling a spiritual need, not a pragmatic one. The reason you would pray is more like the reason you would call your sister or your mom when your child is sick and less like the reason you would call your pediatrician when your child is sick.

Does that make more sense?

Wow, respectfully, I could not disagree more.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine a person of faith saying similarly hateful and often untrue things about atheism on DCUM.

What are you referring to? The last few posts were about how us atheists just don’t understand the leap of faith it takes to pray to a God that seems to us to be pretty capricious about his interventions. Clearly it makes sense to those who believe (otherwise why would you pray) but not to those who don’t. Surely you can see that is one of the big dividers between us?

There are other reasons to pray besides believing that God will intervene on your behalf.
If your child is sick, for example, you might pray for all sorts of reasons that don’t include curing your child.

I mean, even if you don’t believe in God, you would still reach out to people (family, friends, etc) who wouldn’t be able to cure your child.

Prayer is about filling a spiritual need, not a pragmatic one. The reason you would pray is more like the reason you would call your sister or your mom when your child is sick and less like the reason you would call your pediatrician when your child is sick.

Does that make more sense?

I find what you are describing here to be completely understandable. Yes, we all have to figure out how to cope (and celebrate) and I can fully appreciate that could involve prayer for those who believe.

It is not everyone by far, but the folks who believe that they can ask God to intervene on their behalf (as opposed to asking for strength, peace, clarity etc) confuse me. But to each her own.

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Anonymous wrote:I can't imagine a person of faith saying similarly hateful and often untrue things about atheism on DCUM.

What are you referring to? The last few posts were about how us atheists just don’t understand the leap of faith it takes to pray to a God that seems to us to be pretty capricious about his interventions. Clearly it makes sense to those who believe (otherwise why would you pray) but not to those who don’t. Surely you can see that is one of the big dividers between us?

There are other reasons to pray besides believing that God will intervene on your behalf.
If your child is sick, for example, you might pray for all sorts of reasons that don’t include curing your child.

I mean, even if you don’t believe in God, you would still reach out to people (family, friends, etc) who wouldn’t be able to cure your child.

Prayer is about filling a spiritual need, not a pragmatic one. The reason you would pray is more like the reason you would call your sister or your mom when your child is sick and less like the reason you would call your pediatrician when your child is sick.

Does that make more sense?

Wow, respectfully, I could not disagree more.

Person this PP was responding to. I thought what she said made sense. Why do you disagree.