I truly do not understand the anti WFH sentiment

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:WFH has nuked productivity at my company, in two specific ways. First, it has multiplied time in meetings by two- or threefold. This means that there is far less time for actual work. We now have many managers who don't do anything other than receive requests are reroute them to others via email, PowerPoint, and Teams. This is literally like the guy in Office Space who takes requirements from customers to engineers because he's a a people person, damnit. Secondly, it has essentially made it impossible to train new people. It turns out that entry level employees need lots of in-person time--instructional and unstructured--to become productive. We've now gotten to the point where the senior leaders who moved away or refuse to come in are on their way out, and we're only hiring new employees locally. WFH, for us, was a failed experiment.

+1 Especially the comment about recruiting and training new people. It's impossible to establish an office culture and expectations when everyone is remote. And the constant meetings that take 10x longer than they need to.

This sounds like a you problem. Our office has been very successful. We are a "Best Place to Work" in the DMV, and we have staff in 10+ states now. We have put a ton of effort into this and it is paying off.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A “dirty secret” of WFH at my 6,000 person old firm that is fully remote is “job abandonment” was number one termination reason in 2022.

Also we pay out vacation days. So people literally rarely put in vacation days to build them up.

People have figured out let’s say I make 120k a year. And I have RSUs vest at 2k a month and accrue vacation days at 2 per month why quit. Just start new job and ghost or just pretend or pretend to work it can take weeks, months etc. to get terminated. It becomes headache for managers.

I ghosted my old job four months once and new job boss was a pest. I ended up ghosting new job, catching up old job and eventually new job terminated me.

I say 70 percent of employees my old firm did it. So funny. This is why WFH is dying there is never a reason ever to quit. We had retirees, people move back to hone country, people start new business. There is never a reason to quit. Companies are catching on. Which is what RTO is about.

Heck I did a five month consulting gig at $20k a month flat fee. All WFH. Of course I kept my day job. What was downside?

80 percent of Remote people have a second gig. That’s a fact. Other 20 percent 10-15 percent goofing off or SAHMs.

Yes you can goof off in office. But I literally did 3-5 hours a week work for five months. That’s impossible in person to pull off.

This is insane. we are in meetings all day and have rolling deliverables. if your employee is not so busy that you need to make sure they are sitting in an office to KNOW they just doing your job, then you don't need to have that employee to begin with

I have strict KPIs and deliverables. Why do you have meetings all day? My job I just left after 2 years 2 months had two hours of meetings a week and a 90 minute meeting every other week. My meetings was 12-1 on Monday, 1-2 on Thursday and 7 am to 830 pm every other Thursday. I on my own never scheduled a single meeting unless forced. And always early or late or at lunch. I kept 9-12 and 2-430 free as “focus” hours.

The job countered when I left. I literally could do 3 months of work in three weeks time. In person I would do more work. At home I hit the kpi and stop. Either goof off or do another job.

Ironically in WFH I looked like the hard worker. I have a 7 am meeting with UK and same day a 7 pm call or slack messages with San Fran. I only work before 9am or lunch or after 6 pm.

I'd seen a few of your posts - they're easily recognizable - and I suggest that in all your free time, you take a remedial writing class.

Perhaps a couple of them.

Sorry I am not a fruit-loop like you. My secretary has better legs and spelling than me. Not my job to spell my job is to WOW.

Are you a Troll or walking HR nightmare?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A “dirty secret” of WFH at my 6,000 person old firm that is fully remote is “job abandonment” was number one termination reason in 2022.

Also we pay out vacation days. So people literally rarely put in vacation days to build them up.

People have figured out let’s say I make 120k a year. And I have RSUs vest at 2k a month and accrue vacation days at 2 per month why quit. Just start new job and ghost or just pretend or pretend to work it can take weeks, months etc. to get terminated. It becomes headache for managers.

I ghosted my old job four months once and new job boss was a pest. I ended up ghosting new job, catching up old job and eventually new job terminated me.

I say 70 percent of employees my old firm did it. So funny. This is why WFH is dying there is never a reason ever to quit. We had retirees, people move back to hone country, people start new business. There is never a reason to quit. Companies are catching on. Which is what RTO is about.

Heck I did a five month consulting gig at $20k a month flat fee. All WFH. Of course I kept my day job. What was downside?

80 percent of Remote people have a second gig. That’s a fact. Other 20 percent 10-15 percent goofing off or SAHMs.

Yes you can goof off in office. But I literally did 3-5 hours a week work for five months. That’s impossible in person to pull off.

This is insane. we are in meetings all day and have rolling deliverables. if your employee is not so busy that you need to make sure they are sitting in an office to KNOW they just doing your job, then you don't need to have that employee to begin with

I have strict KPIs and deliverables. Why do you have meetings all day? My job I just left after 2 years 2 months had two hours of meetings a week and a 90 minute meeting every other week. My meetings was 12-1 on Monday, 1-2 on Thursday and 7 am to 830 pm every other Thursday. I on my own never scheduled a single meeting unless forced. And always early or late or at lunch. I kept 9-12 and 2-430 free as “focus” hours.

The job countered when I left. I literally could do 3 months of work in three weeks time. In person I would do more work. At home I hit the kpi and stop. Either goof off or do another job.

Ironically in WFH I looked like the hard worker. I have a 7 am meeting with UK and same day a 7 pm call or slack messages with San Fran. I only work before 9am or lunch or after 6 pm.

I'd seen a few of your posts - they're easily recognizable - and I suggest that in all your free time, you take a remedial writing class.

Perhaps a couple of them.

Sorry I am not a fruit-loop like you. My secretary has better legs and spelling than me. Not my job to spell my job is to WOW.

Are you 100 years old? My father is 80, and he doesn't refer to "secretaries" and comment on their legs. It's 2023 and that shit ain't acceptable any more.

You Dad is a Florist

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

+1000

I can't take working from home full time any longer. I also believe this is why people have become more irritable.

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

Except that I get all those things from outside of work. I come together with FRIENDS who I get to choose and enjoy way more frequently now that I am not spendingt so much time on a soul sucking commute.

If I could have an easy 10-15 minute commute, and come and go from an office as I pleased, sure. But spending 45 minutes in hellish DC traffic that could flex up to 90 minutes with the slightest of issues (rain, accident) is WAY worse for my health than the work place "isolation". Btw, I live 7 miles from my office.

These types of posts and comments acting like whomever wants to come into the office has no friends or no life are straight up bullying.

I bet 80% of the people commenting on here that everyone should do what they want and makes them happy think that they’re liberals.

You don't know the definition of bullying.

This is attempting to coerce using personal attacks. When a coworker says “well I like being in the office a day or two a week so I can get out of my house and see people” and someone else says “I do that with my FRIENDS” and they all laugh. That’s bullying. That’s what happens at my work and the place I previously worked. When someone states “you want me to be in so I can see your ugly face and smell your ugly breath”, which is written on this thread, that’s also bullying.

The WFH people are losing now and they can’t handle it. They get progressively more aggressive and they’ll screw up hybrid for everyone else if they don’t stop saying a couple days in the office is useless so they might as well stay home. You know, there’s another side to that.

1. NOT bullying

2. You sound like an awful person

Right. “You sound like an awful person” is definitely proving my point.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

+100

WFH only leads to silos.

If you let it.

I met with head of Risk, CEO, HR, CEO, COO all today. In office. Great chats. I at home is just a nobody to offboard at a moments notice. Risky career wise to be WFH.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.

Why is what you need more important? People need different things and workplaces are collaborative environments. Do you ever go to a concert? Why not just watch a video of someone online? A play? Why not just watch a movie? In person is just different.

You’re comparing working to watching a movie or watching a concert…

You could’ve just admitted your argument absolutely sucks…

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

+100

WFH only leads to silos.

If you let it.

I met with head of Risk, CEO, HR, CEO, COO all today. In office. Great chats. I at home is just a nobody to offboard at a moments notice. Risky career wise to be WFH.

They probably wished you would buzz off so they could get their work done and you would stop looking down their shirts.

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.

Why is what you need more important? People need different things and workplaces are collaborative environments. Do you ever go to a concert? Why not just watch a video of someone online? A play? Why not just watch a movie? In person is just different.

You’re comparing working to watching a movie or watching a concert…

You could’ve just admitted your argument absolutely sucks…

In person is different than virtual. If you don’t understand the analogy, no one can help you.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

+100

WFH only leads to silos.

If you let it.

I met with head of Risk, CEO, HR, CEO, COO all today. In office. Great chats. I at home is just a nobody to offboard at a moments notice. Risky career wise to be WFH.

They probably wished you would buzz off so they could get their work done and you would stop looking down their shirts.

I’m now 90% certain these idiotic comments are all from the same person.

[Anonymous]

Reading all these bitter posts I’m so glad my company offers the utmost in flexibility. I can go in, I can stay home. I normally go in when I have light days so I can socialize and catch up. I never ever go in when I’m extremely busy. Our CEO, CFO and COO do the same. It also works great because I have family in California and sometimes just head out there for a few weeks in the summer and work east coast hours, but have all afternoon to relax and enjoy the new environment. I’ve been doing this for 13 years at the same company and something is going right. First year made 90k and this last tax return I came in at 309k. Hasn’t hurt my career one drop.

Some of you sound so so bitter.

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

+100

WFH only leads to silos.

If you let it.

I met with head of Risk, CEO, HR, CEO, COO all today. In office. Great chats. I at home is just a nobody to offboard at a moments notice. Risky career wise to be WFH.

One person wearing multiple hats? Lol. More power to you bud.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Reading all these bitter posts I’m so glad my company offers the utmost in flexibility. I can go in, I can stay home. I normally go in when I have light days so I can socialize and catch up. I never ever go in when I’m extremely busy. Our CEO, CFO and COO do the same. It also works great because I have family in California and sometimes just head out there for a few weeks in the summer and work east coast hours, but have all afternoon to relax and enjoy the new environment. I’ve been doing this for 13 years at the same company and something is going right. First year made 90k and this last tax return I came in at 309k. Hasn’t hurt my career one drop.

Some of you sound so so bitter.

Same here.

I don’t get why people are so upset. To each their own. But some of us love having flexibility. As long as the work is getting done, who cares.

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Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

+100

WFH only leads to silos.

If you let it.

I met with head of Risk, CEO, HR, CEO, COO all today. In office. Great chats. I at home is just a nobody to offboard at a moments notice. Risky career wise to be WFH.

You are a nobody wherever you are.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:A “dirty secret” of WFH at my 6,000 person old firm that is fully remote is “job abandonment” was number one termination reason in 2022.

Also we pay out vacation days. So people literally rarely put in vacation days to build them up.

People have figured out let’s say I make 120k a year. And I have RSUs vest at 2k a month and accrue vacation days at 2 per month why quit. Just start new job and ghost or just pretend or pretend to work it can take weeks, months etc. to get terminated. It becomes headache for managers.

I ghosted my old job four months once and new job boss was a pest. I ended up ghosting new job, catching up old job and eventually new job terminated me.

I say 70 percent of employees my old firm did it. So funny. This is why WFH is dying there is never a reason ever to quit. We had retirees, people move back to hone country, people start new business. There is never a reason to quit. Companies are catching on. Which is what RTO is about.

Heck I did a five month consulting gig at $20k a month flat fee. All WFH. Of course I kept my day job. What was downside?

80 percent of Remote people have a second gig. That’s a fact. Other 20 percent 10-15 percent goofing off or SAHMs.

Yes you can goof off in office. But I literally did 3-5 hours a week work for five months. That’s impossible in person to pull off.

This is insane. we are in meetings all day and have rolling deliverables. if your employee is not so busy that you need to make sure they are sitting in an office to KNOW they just doing your job, then you don't need to have that employee to begin with

I have strict KPIs and deliverables. Why do you have meetings all day? My job I just left after 2 years 2 months had two hours of meetings a week and a 90 minute meeting every other week. My meetings was 12-1 on Monday, 1-2 on Thursday and 7 am to 830 pm every other Thursday. I on my own never scheduled a single meeting unless forced. And always early or late or at lunch. I kept 9-12 and 2-430 free as “focus” hours.

The job countered when I left. I literally could do 3 months of work in three weeks time. In person I would do more work. At home I hit the kpi and stop. Either goof off or do another job.

Ironically in WFH I looked like the hard worker. I have a 7 am meeting with UK and same day a 7 pm call or slack messages with San Fran. I only work before 9am or lunch or after 6 pm.

I'd seen a few of your posts - they're easily recognizable - and I suggest that in all your free time, you take a remedial writing class.

Perhaps a couple of them.

Sorry I am not a fruit-loop like you. My secretary has better legs and spelling than me. Not my job to spell my job is to WOW.

Are you 100 years old? My father is 80, and he doesn't refer to "secretaries" and comment on their legs. It's 2023 and that shit ain't acceptable any more.

You Dad is a Florist

Sorry, was that supposed to be an insult? Now you’re classist as well as sexist. Charming.