I truly do not understand the anti WFH sentiment

Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.


+100

WFH only leads to silos.
Anonymous
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Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.


YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.


This. Being around lots of people that I don't particularly like is insanely stressful. Commuting 2 hours round trip to do so is hell.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.


It's the "hits it hard for 9 hours a day" part that is bullshit.


It's bullshit in the office or at home. No one can really give 100% for a sustained 9 hours.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:OMG is it the same poster constantly? Do we really need another thread on this? There have been hundreds.


op - never posted this before. but seeing all these insane anti wfh arguments i'm just like - wtf
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.


YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.


Why is what you need more important? People need different things and workplaces are collaborative environments. Do you ever go to a concert? Why not just watch a video of someone online? A play? Why not just watch a movie? In person is just different.


Maybe, just maybe, PP prefers that way. Why does it have to fit your preference? You do you.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.


It's the "hits it hard for 9 hours a day" part that is bullshit.


It's bullshit in the office or at home. No one can really give 100% for a sustained 9 hours.


Plus, it's focusing on the wrong thing. How are productivity levels? Are they the same (or better) for WFH than in-office? That should be easily measured.

Unless what you actually care about is whether people are clocking minutes as opposed to actually doing their jobs.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.


YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.


Why is what you need more important? People need different things and workplaces are collaborative environments. Do you ever go to a concert? Why not just watch a video of someone online? A play? Why not just watch a movie? In person is just different.


I watch stuff online every day.
go to a concert on occasion. dont need to go to concert or theater every day. but most days have screen time. bc it's more convenient. whole point.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.


YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.


Why is what you need more important? People need different things and workplaces are collaborative environments. Do you ever go to a concert? Why not just watch a video of someone online? A play? Why not just watch a movie? In person is just different.


Maybe, just maybe, PP prefers that way. Why does it have to fit your preference? You do you.


OP this is the whole point!!! why not let ppl do what makes them happy? why ruin someone else's life bc you prefer to be in an office? Insane to me to force ppl who do not want to share space with you to do so.
KPI for work is make profits and make world better place. if you are doing that while hanging upside down dressed like a sugar glider half the day then who gives AF. this insane thing of forcing people to go to a different location is next level nuts.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.


It's the "hits it hard for 9 hours a day" part that is bullshit.


It's bullshit in the office or at home. No one can really give 100% for a sustained 9 hours.


Plus, it's focusing on the wrong thing. How are productivity levels? Are they the same (or better) for WFH than in-office? That should be easily measured.

Unless what you actually care about is whether people are clocking minutes as opposed to actually doing their jobs.


NP and my takeaway from all of this is that a lot companies seem to not have good procedures in place to measure productivity or maybe the managers are just lazy and don't want to spend the time to figure out who is actually doing work.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.


YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.


Why is what you need more important? People need different things and workplaces are collaborative environments. Do you ever go to a concert? Why not just watch a video of someone online? A play? Why not just watch a movie? In person is just different.


Find an in-person job if it's important to you, then.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.


It's the "hits it hard for 9 hours a day" part that is bullshit.


It's bullshit in the office or at home. No one can really give 100% for a sustained 9 hours.


Plus, it's focusing on the wrong thing. How are productivity levels? Are they the same (or better) for WFH than in-office? That should be easily measured.

Unless what you actually care about is whether people are clocking minutes as opposed to actually doing their jobs.


NP and my takeaway from all of this is that a lot companies seem to not have good procedures in place to measure productivity or maybe the managers are just lazy and don't want to spend the time to figure out who is actually doing work.


DING DING DING, and that is what we should be focusing on. Not forcing people back into the office when it doesn't make sense to do so just because we don't like it when other people are happier.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:OMG is it the same poster constantly? Do we really need another thread on this? There have been hundreds.


op - never posted this before. but seeing all these insane anti wfh arguments i'm just like - wtf


How old are you? Your writing style makes you sound, like, very young.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:

OP this is the whole point!!! why not let ppl do what makes them happy? why ruin someone else's life bc you prefer to be in an office? Insane to me to force ppl who do not want to share space with you to do so.


We're tired of you sociopaths rewriting society just because you hate people.
Anonymous
Jobs that need to be in person are already in person, and were that way for most of the pandemic. No one who is currently WFH needs to be back.
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