I truly do not understand the anti WFH sentiment

[Anonymous]

Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.

It's the same mentality as people who worry about welfare or that someone down the block is getting something they are not.

[Anonymous]

Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/going-ugly-ceo-just-issued-103500109.html

[Anonymous]

I think WFH is great for those jobs that can be perfectly carried out at home. But there's definitely abuse by some, whose job is best performed on site. For example, at my agency, the travel office barely has any staff on a given day, yet most of our forms and documents need to be processed in person, so there's always a long delay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think WFH is great for those jobs that can be perfectly carried out at home. But there's definitely abuse by some, whose job is best performed on site. For example, at my agency, the travel office barely has any staff on a given day, yet most of our forms and documents need to be processed in person, so there's always a long delay.

sure if there is a reason to be there.
but if not then who cares.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/going-ugly-ceo-just-issued-103500109.html

right but you can't force society to reverse course because it's bad for an economic sector. This is a lesson that miners have been learning for decades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.

It's the "hits it hard for 9 hours a day" part that is bullshit.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

And we get that outside of work…more often now that we aren’t trapped in our soulless offices all day.

I’m here for hybrid, asynchronous work for the long haul. People need lives.

[Anonymous]

Some people abuse it. I assume. I don’t have evidence, but it feels like something that’s true. Therefore, no one should be allowed to do it.

[Anonymous]

OMG is it the same poster constantly? Do we really need another thread on this? There have been hundreds.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because we are human and need social interaction, facial expressions, and time to communicate outside of discrete work tasks to feel good about ourselves and be productive. People need to see and hear each other to informally learn from each other. We know that being together in person reduces cortisol and stress levels. Being isolated associated with higher levels of disease.

YOU need that.
many many people do not need that and in fact have stress levels significantly raised by commuting and being in a big room with other ppl all day when they dont need to be.

Why is what you need more important? People need different things and workplaces are collaborative environments. Do you ever go to a concert? Why not just watch a video of someone online? A play? Why not just watch a movie? In person is just different.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some people abuse it. I assume. I don’t have evidence, but it feels like something that’s true. Therefore, no one should be allowed to do it.

People goof off in offices, too. Guess we shouldn't be allowed to have offices.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Like - why? If someone is in a meeting on zoom or in a meeting in a room, who cares? Let people do what they want
I'd 1000% rather have someone good who lives 50m away and doesn't want to commute but hits it hard for 9h a day than someone who doesn't mind schlepping in to be 'in person' and doesn't add that much value.
Like - why force ppl to be in your presence if they dont want to? Technology makes this unnecessary. So weirdly controlling and small minded to me. sure sometimes ppl get together in person but not needed every day.
we used to use pay phones on the street but now we have cells and we dont need to. same applies here.

It's the same mentality as people who worry about welfare or that someone down the block is getting something they are not.

Also similar to the SAH vs Working Mom debate.