No consequence for teaching CRT

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You dont understand difference between genocide and slavery? Slavery was horrible, but not the same. And the Germans did not fight and die to free Jews.

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Anonymous wrote:What exactly is CRT? Can you give an example of someone teaching it?

A very brief summary:

It is the theory that systemic racism is in society and is hampering the progress of African Americans.

It is not teaching that slavery was bad and that African Americans were mistreated. That is history and is being taught as it should be.

An example of inappropriate CRT: "privilege bingo"

So, you don't believe systemic racism exists? Do you also think vaccines are a woke conspiracy? Do you think the earth is flat?

NP. I object to privilege bingo in K-12 and I can't see any value in teaching any child that the land of the free and the home of the brave is oppressing them or that they are oppressors.

Can you explain the value to K-12 students to be taught that?

What is “privilege bingo?” I’ve never heard of this. Is that a Tucker Carlson Blog / newsmax type thing?

It was a bingo game played at Oakton high last year titled 'Identifying Your Privilege' . Students were to cover the squares that applied to them like being white, cisgender, parents are married, parents are employed, had their own room or had parents in the military. That was the only thing that caused it to make the 6pm NBC4 news - that military families were privileged. Otherwise it would have been swept under the rug and filed under "didn't happen".

True. And, this is just what was revealed. Believe me, military children are resilient. Their only privilege is that they are exposed to all kinds of people in all kinds of places. And, they have at least one parent with a job. But, they also have parents who deploy--multiple times into danger zones. Yet, some consider it 'priviledged."

You can help kids learn to be empathetic without making it racist. The part that all whites are priviledged and all people of color are not is troubling.

As a teacher, I just don’t like how preachy, didactic, and oversimplified the whole exercise is. It’s bad pedagogy.

The lessons are horribly racist, and terrible for children, particularly the many biracial and multiracial children of fairfax county.

To me, the lessons seem like the same racist ideas and stereotypes that I faced as a kid in the 70s, just endorsed and promoted by the school leadership and wrapped up with a different bow.

What lessons? Then and now? Please delineate what exactly is being taught, what school, and what grade.

DP, but an PP.
Other than some HS BINGO game, I’ve pretty much given up on getting an answer.

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Anonymous wrote:I sure hope OP's kid stays long enough in public schools to overrun the family's indemic racism.

Keep fighting Virginia- you can see that you have a lot to do in keeping public education safe from these right wing fringe groups.

No, hun, we're moderates who love our country and want to improve it, not tear it down, not tear it apart.

And our voices may not be the loudest but we are the majority.

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You are not moderate at all. You are an right wing, very uneducated racist. And you are not the majority. We were there for 2020, and we were there for the midterms. We will be there for 2024, because we see how steep the stakes are.

FWIW: I am an earlier poster. Not the one to whom you are directly responding in this post. You may have responded to my posts earlier.

You appear to be a poster (or posters) who is demeaning those who argue with you. Accusing people of being "uneducated" or worse is not helpful. Challenging specific points is okay--but personal attacks are troubling.

The posters defending our country have not demeaned you, but have simply pointed out where we think you are mistaken. But, the leftist(s) on here ae demeaning anyone who points out flaws in the argument.

Our country was founded on Principles. No. It is not perfect and that is certainly pointed out in history classes--and has been pointed out for years. The roll out was certainly troublesome and oppressive to slaves and others. But, it was a great step in the right direction. Sadly, slavery was not isolated to the Western Hemisphere. People seem to forget that. There was slavery in Africa long before here. There was the equivalent of slavery in Europe, too. But, we now have come to the point through wars and laws that protect people. It is still a work in progress, but it is thanks to our Founders that the framework was there.

You may call it an attack regarding being uneducated, a personal attack, actually, but I wasn't attacking. You are emphatically and undeniably uneducated. Not an attack- it is a fact. You have written more than a few posts, or even all (!) posts that are just not correct. You have twisted non-entities, that you claim are being taught in the school system where they are not, and you've drawn outlandish conclusions about the effect.
You are uneducated and also naive.

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I also feel like the reparation payments are not being calculated properly. If the average American spends 4 million in a lifetime from age 0-100 there really is no need to pay more than that per person living who is a descendant of slaves. It's possible you could also add in some land but the average person in America does not own land. I guess you could add $400,000 to the total amount which is the average home for sale in America today. So, 4.4 million. You don't need more than a lifetime of spending and an average home at this time centuries later. About 25 million descendants of slaves and 40 million blacks in the US. Even if including all blacks who didn't descend from slaves just saying they experienced some discrimination, that is 176 million which is easily attainable and then we can just be done with this equity conversation and stop pretending we are slaves or slave owners which we aren't. Those lives came way before us and we need to live our lives. We just found 3 billion this week not sent to Ukraine because of an estimating error. Here is a positive use for the money.

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Anonymous wrote:I sure hope OP's kid stays long enough in public schools to overrun the family's indemic racism.

Keep fighting Virginia- you can see that you have a lot to do in keeping public education safe from these right wing fringe groups.

No, hun, we're moderates who love our country and want to improve it, not tear it down, not tear it apart.

And our voices may not be the loudest but we are the majority.

ng at
You are not moderate at all. You are an right wing, very uneducated racist. And you are not the majority. We were there for 2020, and we were there for the midterms. We will be there for 2024, because we see how steep the stakes are.

FWIW: I am an earlier poster. Not the one to whom you are directly responding in this post. You may have responded to my posts earlier.

You appear to be a poster (or posters) who is demeaning those who argue with you. Accusing people of being "uneducated" or worse is not helpful. Challenging specific points is okay--but personal attacks are troubling.

The posters defending our country have not demeaned you, but have simply pointed out where we think you are mistaken. But, the leftist(s) on here ae demeaning anyone who points out flaws in the argument.

Our country was founded on Principles. No. It is not perfect and that is certainly pointed out in history classes--and has been pointed out for years. The roll out was certainly troublesome and oppressive to slaves and others. But, it was a great step in the right direction. Sadly, slavery was not isolated to the Western Hemisphere. People seem to forget that. There was slavery in Africa long before here. There was the equivalent of slavery in Europe, too. But, we now have come to the point through wars and laws that protect people. It is still a work in progress, but it is thanks to our Founders that the framework was there.

You may call it an attack regarding being uneducated, a personal attack, actually, but I wasn't attacking. You are emphatically and undeniably uneducated. Not an attack- it is a fact. You have written more than a few posts, or even all (!) posts that are just not correct. You have twisted non-entities, that you claim are being taught in the school system where they are not, and you've drawn outlandish conclusions about the effect.
You are uneducated and also naive.

DP. Other people read your posts, fyi. If you attack a poster, and then double down, other posters see you.

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Anonymous wrote:You dont understand difference between genocide and slavery? Slavery was horrible, but not the same. And the Germans did not fight and die to free Jews.

The Germans fought to have only one race on their land and to control others and make them slaves/genocide. It was a mix of both. Slavery is not the same, but still there is merit to providing reparations.

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Anonymous wrote:I sure hope OP's kid stays long enough in public schools to overrun the family's indemic racism.

Keep fighting Virginia- you can see that you have a lot to do in keeping public education safe from these right wing fringe groups.

No, hun, we're moderates who love our country and want to improve it, not tear it down, not tear it apart.

And our voices may not be the loudest but we are the majority.

ng at
You are not moderate at all. You are an right wing, very uneducated racist. And you are not the majority. We were there for 2020, and we were there for the midterms. We will be there for 2024, because we see how steep the stakes are.

FWIW: I am an earlier poster. Not the one to whom you are directly responding in this post. You may have responded to my posts earlier.

You appear to be a poster (or posters) who is demeaning those who argue with you. Accusing people of being "uneducated" or worse is not helpful. Challenging specific points is okay--but personal attacks are troubling.

The posters defending our country have not demeaned you, but have simply pointed out where we think you are mistaken. But, the leftist(s) on here ae demeaning anyone who points out flaws in the argument.

Our country was founded on Principles. No. It is not perfect and that is certainly pointed out in history classes--and has been pointed out for years. The roll out was certainly troublesome and oppressive to slaves and others. But, it was a great step in the right direction. Sadly, slavery was not isolated to the Western Hemisphere. People seem to forget that. There was slavery in Africa long before here. There was the equivalent of slavery in Europe, too. But, we now have come to the point through wars and laws that protect people. It is still a work in progress, but it is thanks to our Founders that the framework was there.

I feel as if it is conservatives who are trying to undermine the principles on which this country was founded.

It might be helpful if you gave some thought to what they are saying.
I was a teacher of primary grades. NO child benefits from being taught that he is a victim or a bully. You can help kids learn to be kind to others without demeaning them. Behavior can be bad without teaching kids that they are bad.

Critical Race Theory is in opposition to my beliefs. I do not believe that people are inherently racist. Why do I believe that? Because when I began teaching I taught in the projects. I taught extremely poor African American kids and extremely poor white kids. There were a lot of extremely rough kids--both Black and White. But, they played together and fought together without racial animus that I could detect. I do not ever recall hearing the "n" word used there--and that was when the word was much more prevalent than today.
One of my fondest memories was a very hot day after the kids were outside. We were having storytime with the kids at their desks because it was so hot and we had no air conditioning. Some of the kids put their heads on their desks because they were tired. I looked up from the story and two of the boys--one Black with a large Afro, and the other white with stringy blond hair--had their hands on each other's head feeling their hair. It was touching and perfect.

Yes. There is racism, but we will never move on as long as we are being told how racist we are. And, a PP has been calling anyone who disagrees with his/her argument a racist. This is an anonymous forum. There is a PP has no idea of the background of the people to whom she is responding.

Thank you for your words of wisdom. Your empirical insight based on your extended observation - as opposed to some comments here that appear regurgitated out of Marxist textbooks - is very refreshing nowadays. One can only hope FCPS has a large pool of teachers with your life experience and perspective for the benefit of our students.

Where is this being taught in the primary grades? Example please?

Current ES Teacher (posted at 08:48)

Still waiting…

ES Teacher

Exactly…list the grade, unit, and lesson.

Nothing because it never happened.

External agitators are spreading RWNJ propaganda. It will only ramp up as we approach Election Day.

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Anonymous wrote:So I talked to someone from moms of Liberty and they said they are no l consequences for teaching CRT, I know the Governor banned it, but they can still teach it and they won’t get fired

There is no consequence b/c htey are not teaching it.

Can you even define CRT?

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Anonymous wrote: I also feel like the reparation payments are not being calculated properly. If the average American spends 4 million in a lifetime from age 0-100 there really is no need to pay more than that per person living who is a descendant of slaves. It's possible you could also add in some land but the average person in America does not own land. I guess you could add $400,000 to the total amount which is the average home for sale in America today. So, 4.4 million. You don't need more than a lifetime of spending and an average home at this time centuries later. About 25 million descendants of slaves and 40 million blacks in the US. Even if including all blacks who didn't descend from slaves just saying they experienced some discrimination, that is 176 million which is easily attainable and then we can just be done with this equity conversation and stop pretending we are slaves or slave owners which we aren't. Those lives came way before us and we need to live our lives. We just found 3 billion this week not sent to Ukraine because of an estimating error. Here is a positive use for the money.

Uh, what?

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Anonymous wrote:You dont understand difference between genocide and slavery? Slavery was horrible, but not the same. And the Germans did not fight and die to free Jews.

What is the point of this comment? So are you saying the holocaust was worse than slavery? Are you seriously trying to compare two different atrocities? One type of suffering is worse because death? I sometimes think that a lot of Americans don;t know exactly what slavery in the Americas was like. Also, the notion that the North just all decided to save the slaves and died for the cause is a pretty blatant mischaracterization of why a lot of those men fought and died.

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Anonymous wrote: I also feel like the reparation payments are not being calculated properly. If the average American spends 4 million in a lifetime from age 0-100 there really is no need to pay more than that per person living who is a descendant of slaves. It's possible you could also add in some land but the average person in America does not own land. I guess you could add $400,000 to the total amount which is the average home for sale in America today. So, 4.4 million. You don't need more than a lifetime of spending and an average home at this time centuries later. About 25 million descendants of slaves and 40 million blacks in the US. Even if including all blacks who didn't descend from slaves just saying they experienced some discrimination, that is 176 million which is easily attainable and then we can just be done with this equity conversation and stop pretending we are slaves or slave owners which we aren't. Those lives came way before us and we need to live our lives. We just found 3 billion this week not sent to Ukraine because of an estimating error. Here is a positive use for the money.

Uh, what?

Black people are estimating "reparations" at 150 million per person. It's a ridiculous reparation payment. No black person in America needs reparations higher than the average person living right now in America.

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4.4 million is the cost of an average home and lifetime from 0-100. I don't see why anyone needs reparations higher than the average life existence in America today.

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People are just stupid if they don't realize CRT is a mechanism to shift money.

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Even California only estimates the reparation amount at 1.2 million per person.

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/3988577-inside-a-california-proposal-to-pay-1-2-million-in-reparations-to-black-americans/

[Anonymous]

The US should just figure on a number for reparations between 1 and 4 million and then no one needs to talk about how they are privileged or not privileged anymore in this country.