No consequence for teaching CRT

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Anonymous wrote:This thread is all over the place. I thought we were talking about CRT? We were talking about teachers discussing how previous policies, attitudes, culture, and laws in our country were based on racial identities and that those factors impacted the social and financial standing of blacks, so much so that those effects can be seen today. That is not up for debate. That is just fact. So, really we are arguing over whether or not that should be discussed at the K-12 level. Anecdotes about how some blacks are successful, wealthy and have generational wealth and some whites are poor, lack opportunity and have negative outcomes do not disprove the existence of general disparities caused by slavery and segregation. I still fail to see why discussing these things in school, in a rudimentary way, is negative/harmful. How is explaining to kids that history is important because it shapes the present? How is providing some context to why biases, perceptions and divisions exist a bad thing? The world is more complex than good guys, bad guys. The world is more complex than just saying, "I don't see color". Now, Im not saying that I haven't heard of examples of hard left leaning advocates taking things too far. I do think that fixating on changing the names of schools is performative nonsense to a large degree. And If I ever heard that a teacher in my kid's school told my child that he was "oppressed" and that a white student was an "oppressor", I would be livid. But the actual DISCUSSION about disparate impacts of oppressive and discriminatory policies is a pretty important piece of critical analysis and evolved thinking about government and society. Or do you just want kids to be little nationalist robots who have blind allegiance based on propaganda? THAT seems pretty damn communist to me.

The issue is that people then start to personify lives of the past. And this goes in reverse as well. You tell a white kid they have privilege and were considered superior in the past and they personalize it to their life today thinking they should get extra privilege or feeling like they are missing out somehow. It's important to talk about current issues and talk about the past but categorizing races into privilege and unprivileged (not to mention how many people are mixed race) ignores how far we've come in society and our current lives. It basically leaves us stuck in the past unable to move forward.

People start to personify lives of the past? So, by that reasoning, telling black kids that in the past their ancestors were slaves and second class citizens will cause them to personalize it to their life today? Okay, so...then the best practice is to pretend that never happened in order to prevent them from personalizing the past? Im sorry, but I respectfully disagree. Yes, if you literally TELL children that this is their role, this is their identity, then sure I can see that. But that is not what I am advocating for here. Children are not stupid and if you explain things to them, they can understand. No one is saying to ignore how far we've come in society. That's part of our history. It is the evolution of our country and our culture and shows first hand how our Constitution is a living document. But ignoring the truth of what needed to change serves no one. I also think the problem here is that you're insinuating that kids in school are being told that if they are white they are privileged. End of story. Its more complex than that. So can we tell kids that if they live in a $1.5m home that they're privileged? Well they are. They may have problems but they're privileged. Can we tell kids that if they have both arms and hands that they're privileged? Well they are. They may have problems but they will never face the difficulties of navigating the world with an observable and functional disability. Does that mean non-disabled children will develop some sense of superiority around that? Hmmm, only if you tell those kids that they DESERVE their wealth and physical ability, because when you start doing that, it implies that those who don't have those things do not deserve them.

I don't think privilege today by race is really applicable to what happened in the past in that direct a way and that's where CRT gets it wrong to me. I think the past and the present need to be separated and if there is something from the past that still needs to be rectified so be it, but it's a disservice to paint current children today as living duplicate past lives of their ancestors. As far as immigrants go, they were not persecuted to the same degree and always thought of as people, so I don't feel reparations are needed for anyone other than native americans and blacks.

This is just a difference of opinion. That's fine. Im not going to argue it. I do think it is applicable. I will say that I think now we should think of disparities as functioning more so along class lines than racial lines. In fact, i think its essential for us to frame it that way because poor blacks and poor whites have far more in common with each other than they have with their wealthy counterparts who may be the same race. But that itself proves how much of an impact race has had on us. That can BE part of the larger conversation.

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Anonymous wrote:An example of a black kid using CRT against a white person was that kid in Loudoun who lived in a mansion and tried to get some random girl he barely knew out of Tennessee and the cheerleading squad because he wanted to punish white people. She had to go to community college and did nothing wrong other than post a celebratory video of her getting her license speaking like a rapper. It wasn't derogatory and there was nothing about his life that didn't reek of privilege. There are lots of others. Kendri used it against adoptive parents. Another example of blaming white people verses trying to help black people keep their children if they wanted to.

Using CRT against another person? What does that even mean?

It means “I’m white and fragile and can’t be reminded that we treated PoC like crap for hundreds of years without spilling my diaper.”

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:An example of a black kid using CRT against a white person was that kid in Loudoun who lived in a mansion and tried to get some random girl he barely knew out of Tennessee and the cheerleading squad because he wanted to punish white people. She had to go to community college and did nothing wrong other than post a celebratory video of her getting her license speaking like a rapper. It wasn't derogatory and there was nothing about his life that didn't reek of privilege. There are lots of others. Kendri used it against adoptive parents. Another example of blaming white people verses trying to help black people keep their children if they wanted to.

Using CRT against another person? What does that even mean?

It means “I’m white and fragile and can’t be reminded that we treated PoC like crap for hundreds of years without spilling my diaper.”

This is a great post to convince the undecideds. I'm sure PP is on your side now..

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:An example of a black kid using CRT against a white person was that kid in Loudoun who lived in a mansion and tried to get some random girl he barely knew out of Tennessee and the cheerleading squad because he wanted to punish white people. She had to go to community college and did nothing wrong other than post a celebratory video of her getting her license speaking like a rapper. It wasn't derogatory and there was nothing about his life that didn't reek of privilege. There are lots of others. Kendri used it against adoptive parents. Another example of blaming white people verses trying to help black people keep their children if they wanted to.

Using CRT against another person? What does that even mean?

It means “I’m white and fragile and can’t be reminded that we treated PoC like crap for hundreds of years without spilling my diaper.”

Good job giving a perfect example of why people resist CRT adjacent and anti-racist lessons when they aren't well executed. People like the PP don't understand how to teach about privilege in a productive way, encouraging those with privilege to use their power to work to dismantle systems that keep some groups at a disadvantage. Instead, it's about knocking people down and, in some cases, suggesting that they should be deprived of basic rights that everyone should be entitled to. No kid in high school today is responsible for past racist policies. They should not be taught on an individual basis that they need to pay for our country's racist past. It is appropriate to help them to understand how institutions, laws, policies, and other aspects of our society favor certain groups or norms at the expense of others and to discuss what changes should be made to promote equity.

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Anonymous wrote:These articles explain how CRT and gender ideology are correlated and already a part of our school culture at FCPS:

1. https://fee.org/articles/critical-race-theory-and-gender-ideology-are-ubiquitous-in-us-schools-new-study-shows/

2. https://abigailshrier.substack.com/p/critical-race-theory-and-gender-ideology

How are these concepts taught at FCPS?
1. Boys and girls are now officially referred to as male and female assigned at birth.
2. FCPS is pushing for penalizing students and staff who don’t use the correct gender pronouns of those who choose to use them to identify themselves at school.
3. Privilege Bingo
4. Back in the fall of 2020, my child’s high school in FCPS distributed a book on Racism and Antiracism to every single 12 grader during virtual learning.

I skimmed the two articles. I didn't see any reference to FCPS and only one brief mention of CRT.

You may want to take your time to read this article in full. It has everything to do with CRT and FCPS:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/30/fairfax-va-school-district-spent-24000-on-ibram-kendi-books-for-u-s-history-classes/

LOL. The Federalist.

More RWNJ trash.

And this one article has been posted many times in the forum as “proof.” Real proof is more than quoting the same article.

Curious--why do you think Kendi was invited to speak? Why do you think that FCPS purchased so many of his books? Why do you think that FCPS spent so much money on this speaker if they do not want to support his beliefs?

Which parts of the article posted were not true?

The article says that FCPS supports anti-racism- True
The article also says the county is using divisive and indoctrination strategies- false

FCPS no longer purchases textbooks to distribute to students - in spite of parents requests to do so, yet it purchased Kendi’s textbook and distributed it to seniors in HS, regardless of their reading proficiency. BTW, another HS in Region 2 distributed it to all seniors in the fall of 2020. Care to explain why?

His “textbook”? LOL.

How I wish I could also laugh about it. Sadly, FCPS used it as a textbook in that it was the only book given to every single student in different high schools in the county. One can safely assume the goal was limiting the teaching of racism and anti-racism to this one perspective. There were no other books, documentaries, or any other material countering Kendi’s approach provided for this purpose.

As much as FCPS denies teaching CRT to our students, the way Kendi’s book (and teachings) made their way into our classrooms is NOT consistent with teaching our kids to develop critical thinking skills, but rather with brainwashing.

It was a thought-provoking book relevant to current events, but that’s not a “textbook”.

It gave my kids lots to think about. It’s great for them to hear different perspectives.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An example of a black kid using CRT against a white person was that kid in Loudoun who lived in a mansion and tried to get some random girl he barely knew out of Tennessee and the cheerleading squad because he wanted to punish white people. She had to go to community college and did nothing wrong other than post a celebratory video of her getting her license speaking like a rapper. It wasn't derogatory and there was nothing about his life that didn't reek of privilege. There are lots of others. Kendri used it against adoptive parents. Another example of blaming white people verses trying to help black people keep their children if they wanted to.

Using CRT against another person? What does that even mean?

It means “I’m white and fragile and can’t be reminded that we treated PoC like crap for hundreds of years without spilling my diaper.”

Good job giving a perfect example of why people resist CRT adjacent and anti-racist lessons when they aren't well executed. People like the PP don't understand how to teach about privilege in a productive way, encouraging those with privilege to use their power to work to dismantle systems that keep some groups at a disadvantage. Instead, it's about knocking people down and, in some cases, suggesting that they should be deprived of basic rights that everyone should be entitled to. No kid in high school today is responsible for past racist policies. They should not be taught on an individual basis that they need to pay for our country's racist past. It is appropriate to help them to understand how institutions, laws, policies, and other aspects of our society favor certain groups or norms at the expense of others and to discuss what changes should be made to promote equity.

Wow. You really pulled that ALL of out of your butt. Impressive BS skills. DP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:An example of a black kid using CRT against a white person was that kid in Loudoun who lived in a mansion and tried to get some random girl he barely knew out of Tennessee and the cheerleading squad because he wanted to punish white people. She had to go to community college and did nothing wrong other than post a celebratory video of her getting her license speaking like a rapper. It wasn't derogatory and there was nothing about his life that didn't reek of privilege. There are lots of others. Kendri used it against adoptive parents. Another example of blaming white people verses trying to help black people keep their children if they wanted to.

Using CRT against another person? What does that even mean?

I'm not familiar with the cheerleader incident, but I think it has something to do with "cultural appropriation." What is really confusing to me is that it is fine for Hamilton to have people of color in the roles of white men, but not vice versa. I am not speaking about Black Face--which is clearly offensive. But, things like wearing clothing of other cultures. The first i heard of this was when a girl in Utah wore a prom dress with a mandarin collar. That was just silly criticism.

So much of this makes no sense.

This is the type of thing where I feel the left goes to far. The idea of "cultural appropriation" revolves around how certain cultural norms of marginalized people were adopted by whites and afforded them financial benefit. That being said, I always saw it as just recognizing that, for example, Elvis was performing in a style that was part of the black music scene for a while. He got credit for being innovative but really he had just adopted and got wealthy off of music that blacks had been doing previously (and not gotten recognition for). Segregation and views on black culture in white society made it difficult for blacks to perform for and be recognized by white audiences. This wasn't across the board, but generally, it was the case. So, now the idea of cultural appropriation has been taken to an absurd extreme by some. But as I've said before, that's the problem with this country. There's no nuance. No gray area. Everyone just takes an idea as far as they can. This is why its so difficult to find consensus. Both sides alienate the other by saying/doing ridiculous things. And both sides use those radical examples to bolster their own radical, absolute position. The example of the cheerleader incident is stupid but shouldn't be used as a litmus for how ALL people act/think.

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Anonymous wrote:These articles explain how CRT and gender ideology are correlated and already a part of our school culture at FCPS:

1. https://fee.org/articles/critical-race-theory-and-gender-ideology-are-ubiquitous-in-us-schools-new-study-shows/

2. https://abigailshrier.substack.com/p/critical-race-theory-and-gender-ideology

How are these concepts taught at FCPS?
1. Boys and girls are now officially referred to as male and female assigned at birth.
2. FCPS is pushing for penalizing students and staff who don’t use the correct gender pronouns of those who choose to use them to identify themselves at school.
3. Privilege Bingo
4. Back in the fall of 2020, my child’s high school in FCPS distributed a book on Racism and Antiracism to every single 12 grader during virtual learning.

I skimmed the two articles. I didn't see any reference to FCPS and only one brief mention of CRT.

You may want to take your time to read this article in full. It has everything to do with CRT and FCPS:
https://thefederalist.com/2020/09/30/fairfax-va-school-district-spent-24000-on-ibram-kendi-books-for-u-s-history-classes/

LOL. The Federalist.

More RWNJ trash.

And this one article has been posted many times in the forum as “proof.” Real proof is more than quoting the same article.

Curious--why do you think Kendi was invited to speak? Why do you think that FCPS purchased so many of his books? Why do you think that FCPS spent so much money on this speaker if they do not want to support his beliefs?

Which parts of the article posted were not true?

The article says that FCPS supports anti-racism- True
The article also says the county is using divisive and indoctrination strategies- false

FCPS no longer purchases textbooks to distribute to students - in spite of parents requests to do so, yet it purchased Kendi’s textbook and distributed it to seniors in HS, regardless of their reading proficiency. BTW, another HS in Region 2 distributed it to all seniors in the fall of 2020. Care to explain why?

His “textbook”? LOL.

How I wish I could also laugh about it. Sadly, FCPS used it as a textbook in that it was the only book given to every single student in different high schools in the county. One can safely assume the goal was limiting the teaching of racism and anti-racism to this one perspective. There were no other books, documentaries, or any other material countering Kendi’s approach provided for this purpose.

As much as FCPS denies teaching CRT to our students, the way Kendi’s book (and teachings) made their way into our classrooms is NOT consistent with teaching our kids to develop critical thinking skills, but rather with brainwashing.

It was a thought-provoking book relevant to current events, but that’s not a “textbook”.

It gave my kids lots to think about. It’s great for them to hear different perspectives.

As long as it is taught as what it is - a perspective. Social media is a culprit in debate when the uninformed continuously post things like "CRT = truth" and every idea in the book is treated as a fact.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An example of a black kid using CRT against a white person was that kid in Loudoun who lived in a mansion and tried to get some random girl he barely knew out of Tennessee and the cheerleading squad because he wanted to punish white people. She had to go to community college and did nothing wrong other than post a celebratory video of her getting her license speaking like a rapper. It wasn't derogatory and there was nothing about his life that didn't reek of privilege. There are lots of others. Kendri used it against adoptive parents. Another example of blaming white people verses trying to help black people keep their children if they wanted to.

Using CRT against another person? What does that even mean?

It means “I’m white and fragile and can’t be reminded that we treated PoC like crap for hundreds of years without spilling my diaper.”

This is a great post to convince the undecideds. I'm sure PP is on your side now..

“The undecideds”?

If anyone is “undecided” in 2023 then F them. You shouldn’t have to convince anyone to have basic human decency.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:An example of a black kid using CRT against a white person was that kid in Loudoun who lived in a mansion and tried to get some random girl he barely knew out of Tennessee and the cheerleading squad because he wanted to punish white people. She had to go to community college and did nothing wrong other than post a celebratory video of her getting her license speaking like a rapper. It wasn't derogatory and there was nothing about his life that didn't reek of privilege. There are lots of others. Kendri used it against adoptive parents. Another example of blaming white people verses trying to help black people keep their children if they wanted to.

Using CRT against another person? What does that even mean?

It means “I’m white and fragile and can’t be reminded that we treated PoC like crap for hundreds of years without spilling my diaper.”

Good job giving a perfect example of why people resist CRT adjacent and anti-racist lessons when they aren't well executed. People like the PP don't understand how to teach about privilege in a productive way, encouraging those with privilege to use their power to work to dismantle systems that keep some groups at a disadvantage. Instead, it's about knocking people down and, in some cases, suggesting that they should be deprived of basic rights that everyone should be entitled to. No kid in high school today is responsible for past racist policies. They should not be taught on an individual basis that they need to pay for our country's racist past. It is appropriate to help them to understand how institutions, laws, policies, and other aspects of our society favor certain groups or norms at the expense of others and to discuss what changes should be made to promote equity.

Wow. You really pulled that ALL of out of your butt. Impressive BS skills. DP.

It was an excellent post. Well stated and correct.