"The [abortion] law has created torture."
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Anonymous
"2. Do patients having a surgical abortion prefer to have fetal demise induced before abortion? Some patients may prefer to have fetal demise induced before the abortion procedure begins. The prevalence of this preference is difficult to assess precisely, because it may be influenced by counseling and education and because patients may believe that stating such a preference is more socially acceptable. One study that assessed this preference was conducted in conjunction with a 126-subject, double-blinded trial of 1 mg intra-amniotic digoxin dose [68]. In a questionnaire that subjects completed after their procedure, 92% reported a strong preference for fetal demise before abortion. Among the women who preferred feticidal injection before their abortion procedure (n=107), 29% believed the injection would make the procedure easier and 19% less painful for the woman having the termination [68]. However, the generalizability of this result is limited. This question was posed to patients within the context of a clinical trial in which many of them believed the injection might make their abortion safer. Also, the social acceptability of a positive response may have skewed the results. In one induction termination study, the authors' discussion included the statement, “feticide was perceived as the most difficult moment confronted by the women during the termination process.” However, their method of drawing this conclusion was not elucidated [59]. 3. Does induction of fetal demise have any benefit related to fetal perception of pain during an abortion? It is difficult to determine whether or not a fetus has the ability to perceive pain, which by its definition requires cortical interpretation of noxious stimuli. A multidisciplinary review of the medical evidence concluded that a fetus cannot experience pain until 29 weeks of gestation at the earliest, when thalamocortical connections are first present [75]. In the past, withdrawal reflexes and the release of hormonal stress hormones have been indicated as evidence of fetal pain perception. This review shows evidence that both withdrawal reflexes and hormonal stress hormones can be elicited by nonpainful stimuli and can occur without conscious cortical processing. Therefore, the best indicator as to when a fetus has potentially the capacity to experience pain is the development of the thalamocortical axons, which do not occur until at least 29 weeks of gestational duration; however, their functionality within the intrauterine environment has not been determined. With the difficulty of establishing any clear way to measure fetal pain and the lack of specific markers for fetal pain, any potential pain of the means of inducing fetal demise cannot be assessed either. By inducing fetal demise the issue of whether the fetus could experience pain during the abortion can be circumvented [73], which is another reason feticide may be offered by some providers." https://www.societyfp.org/_documents/resources/InductionofFetalDemise.pdf |
Anonymous
Agree. |
Anonymous
Please slap them the next time you see them and tell them they are hypocrites. People like this deserve to be slapped - I've cut off evil family members who do this sh-- and I hold them accountable for supporting evil. |
Anonymous
I posted this and no, I will not. Do you do this with your conservative family members? Having honest conversations leads to progress. Shutting them leads nowhere. |
Anonymous
How about walking around pregnant, fielding questions from your four year old and every chatty old person about when the baby is due and is it a boy or a girl and have you considered names. Where is my baby brother going to sleep when he gets here. A few more months of the discomfort of pregnancy knowing you’re essentially carrying a dying child. And for what? Not because that was the decision you made - some families do choose to do that even when abortion is on the table in the free states - but because a bunch of vaginally obsessed losers decided that was the right decision for you, the godly decision. |
Anonymous
You know who's relocating? Young residents in obstetrics, who are increasingly shunning these medieval states. Pretty soon God will have to handle the prenatal care and deliveries himself, just like in the good old days. |
Anonymous
Honestly, sometimes they need to be confronted with the same bilious invective they would have happily spewed on someone else back when they thought they’d be immune from consequences. Or at least a reminder they are fortunate to have had supportive family members that understood that these things are awful tragedies and you are choosing the best and humane course out of bad options. Otherwise- these people are just coming away with the same “my abortion is a moral abortion” takeaway that leads them to restrict rights for others and results in less connected or wealthy women getting killed. |
Anonymous
Honestly, there's a reason that no one talks to you IRL and that all of your friends and family have dropped you and don't respond to you. |
Anonymous
+1 and I'm a liberal. |
Anonymous
Truth. Race to the bottom indeed. |
Anonymous
Nice chat, but I generally don’t befriend fascists. If they dropped me I never noticed, my calendar is full. Good on you, though. They love to kill people and relish in their “pro life” moral authority, knowing “libs” like you will have their back when it’s their lives on the line and will be quiet and discreet while they go right back to voting to kill other people. |
Anonymous
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More than a dozen Texas women suing Texas over the state's abortion laws. Their stories are similar to the story that started this thread.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-women-sue-texas-asking-123339247.html |
Anonymous
I'm a liberal and I hate that kind of "cut you off and then smack you rub your face in it when I'm right" sh*t. Why? IT DOES NOT HELP, IT HURTS. I say this as a liberal with very conservative family members. They actually listen to me when I talk respectfully and point out concerns with their POV on certain topics. I have friends who talk that way of "just cut them off" and Every. Single. One. Of. Them. Lives in a sealed bubble of only people who think like them and makes it so easy to say this stuff. If you want to actually win the war you need to UNDERSTAND and directly address the other point of view to address it. Repeatedly. Over and over. That is a smart war tactic. |
Anonymous
Hon, they listen to you respectfully and then they do what they want. Tell yourself what you need to tell yourself, but some people JUST DO NOT UNDERSTAND until they experience it, and even then, they lack the self awareness to process how things would have been much worse for themselves if they got the treatment they wanted others to get. They are trying to persuade you too. They most likely think they have God on their side. They are testing out their taking points on you. I’ve seen their literature- don’t be fooled into thinking you are making a difference. Rubbing their faces in it might be the only thing that can work. God knows we’ve tried everything else in the past 50 years. Sad, but I’d rather rub their faces in their own tragedies than mine or an innocent’s. |
Anonymous
Again, if you don't engage in conversation, you never win. I don't rub anyone's face in anything. I especially wouldn't do that w/ a conservative as that would certainly confirm their preconceived notions about liberal smugness. And FWIW, my conservative family members aren't all religious, so Christian beliefs aren't the reason all conservatives have certain stances. You might learn that if you talked to some of them. I know atheists who are anti-abortion without restrictions. |