"The [abortion] law has created torture."

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?

Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.

That wasn’t in this article.

It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth

1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare

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It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.

Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.

On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.

It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.

They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.

Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.

Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure

A late term abortion involves injecting potassium
chloride into the heart to stop it That's it. That's violent vs watching the child gasp for air?

Sadly, palliative care for a newborn infant is still lacking in terms of knowledge among providers amd actual research for how best to apply it. It happens, but isn't so common to deal with a sudden infant death that is occurring within hours of birth. Research will improve given new laws that will require it more frequently, but undoubtedly, healthcare isn't as good as this as you might think for a newborn, let alone a newborn dying within 99 minutes requiring an IV and VERY quickly sorting out titrating up medication dosages.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5835990/

Mother still has to deliver. Traumatic either way, no?

Mother can undego D&E. It isn't your place to choose what is least traumatic to another person, no? That IS what you are doing here.

Again, she had choices.

Not the choices she should be entitled to.

Sophie had a choice too.

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Why should a woman have to leave the state for ethically appropriate healthcare?

Why should Florida require babies to suffer through death of a terminal condition when a more humane option could occur earlier that would reduce trauma for both mother and baby?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?

Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.

That wasn’t in this article.

It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth

1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare

+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.

Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.

On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.

It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.

They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.

Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.

Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure

So don’t have one. But here you have forced a sadistic torture on a family because you think everyone should have to follow your medieval beliefs.

Again, the family had choices.

Choices dictated by voters. Because their rights were taken away by a rogue Supreme Court.

Relocate

Sure, all women should move out of red states. What a great solution.

It seems simple, but it isn’t for 99% of people

I mean, I wouldn’t choose to live in a crazy state, but I know picking up and relocating isn’t easy. Jobs, family, finances, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?

Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.

That wasn’t in this article.

It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth

1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare

+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.

Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.

On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.

It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.

They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.

Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.

Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure

So don’t have one. But here you have forced a sadistic torture on a family because you think everyone should have to follow your medieval beliefs.

Again, the family had choices.

Choices dictated by voters. Because their rights were taken away by a rogue Supreme Court.

Relocate

Is that what you would have told someone in the pre civil war era who was bothered by slavery? Relocate to a free state if it bugs you so?

Yes that is what they are saying. They won't acknowledge it though.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?

Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.

That wasn’t in this article.

It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth

1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare

+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.

Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.

On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.

It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.

They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.

Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.

Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure

So don’t have one. But here you have forced a sadistic torture on a family because you think everyone should have to follow your medieval beliefs.

Again, the family had choices.

Choices dictated by voters. Because their rights were taken away by a rogue Supreme Court.

Relocate

Sure, all women should move out of red states. What a great solution.

The PP would prefer all states were red states. Hence the problem. We have no rights, talk about choices is a stupid conversation to have.

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Anonymous wrote:It is trauma either way, but ending the pregnancy early seems slightly less traumatic than watching a full grown baby struggle and die

+1 It's one thing to miscarry and never see the baby, it's another to birth that baby and hold it for 99 minutes and watch it struggle to breathe. That is torture. The abortion law in those states is torture. Forcing a woman to go through that is torture for her, and the family.

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Anonymous wrote:It is trauma either way, but ending the pregnancy early seems slightly less traumatic than watching a full grown baby struggle and die

+1 It's one thing to miscarry and never see the baby, it's another to birth that baby and hold it for 99 minutes and watch it struggle to breathe. That is torture. The abortion law in those states is torture. Forcing a woman to go through that is torture for her, and the family.

Not to mention realistically, it's less humane for the baby. I would choose late term abortion in this case and yes I know how the procedure is done.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?

Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.

That wasn’t in this article.

It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth

1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare

+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.

Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.

On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.

It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.

They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.

Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.

Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure

So don’t have one. But here you have forced a sadistic torture on a family because you think everyone should have to follow your medieval beliefs.

Again, the family had choices.

Choices dictated by voters. Because their rights were taken away by a rogue Supreme Court.

Relocate

Sure, all women should move out of red states. What a great solution.

It seems simple, but it isn’t for 99% of people

I mean, I wouldn’t choose to live in a crazy state, but I know picking up and relocating isn’t easy. Jobs, family, finances, etc.

Don't marry conservatives. Don't work for conservatives or red staters. Otherwise you're just being dragged along for their crazy ride.

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Anonymous wrote:It is trauma either way, but ending the pregnancy early seems slightly less traumatic than watching a full grown baby struggle and die

+1 It's one thing to miscarry and never see the baby, it's another to birth that baby and hold it for 99 minutes and watch it struggle to breathe. That is torture. The abortion law in those states is torture. Forcing a woman to go through that is torture for her, and the family.

Not to mention realistically, it's less humane for the baby. I would choose late term abortion in this case and yes I know how the procedure is done.

Exactly.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?

Because she could have left to get the abortion. Because people raised money for the family to do so. Because they chose not to.

That wasn’t in this article.

It was in previous articles. Sorry your sources are poor reporters of the truth

1. The couple worried they could be arrested if they sought an out of state abortion and voiced concern about ensuring they could be there for their existing child
2. How sad of a world we are in that a woman would have to travel out of state for ethically appropriate healthcare

+1
It also puts the healthcare of women in the remaining free states at risk. There aren’t that many obstetricians to go around.

Anyone traveling to a state where abortion is still legal needs to show their voting record. If they voted GOP, nope, no taking services. You bought the ticket, you take the ride.

On the other hand, if this woman’s family starts voting for pro life candidates, that could be a lot of people changing sides. Milo’s parents, her parents, her 6 siblings, their spouses. That’s almost 20 people without getting into extended family, church, or friends. This is how change happens. Unfortunately because of republicans, a lot of babies are going to have to die, families will go into debt to pay for hospital bills that shouldn’t have been needed, some women will lose their fertility and lives along the way, and it’s going to break families apart with the stress of dying children, debt, and grief. But they will have won for a little while.

It may cause some people to change sides, but I doubt it. I have many prolifers in my own family who would stare down this kind of suffering, explain it away as God’s plan and good for them leaving open the possibility for a miracle, and then go right on back to the same crap way of voting. They don’t want to hear that they forced avoidable suffering on their loved ones. They don’t want to take accountability for they’ve done and what they supported.

They are all just “innocent Germans” who only cared about the economy.

Omg yes, this. I know all the same people, sadly.

Unfortunately. Abortion is also a violent procedure

So don’t have one. But here you have forced a sadistic torture on a family because you think everyone should have to follow your medieval beliefs.

Again, the family had choices.

Choices dictated by voters. Because their rights were taken away by a rogue Supreme Court.

Relocate

Sure, all women should move out of red states. What a great solution.

It seems simple, but it isn’t for 99% of people

I mean, I wouldn’t choose to live in a crazy state, but I know picking up and relocating isn’t easy. Jobs, family, finances, etc.

Don't marry conservatives. Don't work for conservatives or red staters. Otherwise you're just being dragged along for their crazy ride.

I think this will be more of a thing going forward, but again, we’re talking about people facing these situations now.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t understand why the baby had to suffer for 99 minutes. With all the pain management available today, couldn’t they have given it something to take away the pain. Even if it was stoned completely out of its mind, if you knew it was dying anyway, you wouldn’t have to worry about long term brain damage or addiction.

He. Milo.

You could say it when she wanted to terminate after finding out the baby wouldn’t survive. They forced her to carry to term and give birth to a baby that would live 99 minutes to watch him struggle and die. They also had to pay tens of thousands of dollars for the privilege of watching their son die.

Let’s not sanitize or dehumanize Milo’s death or the family’s experience and pretend it wasn’t traumatic or preventable. Let’s not pretend the family or doctors were cruel because they couldn’t give him a pain free (albeit short) life. That’s why she wanted to terminate in the first place. To prevent her son from experiencing that pain, to prevent herself and her family from having to watch him suffer through it.

Would an abortion at that stage of development not be painful?

Agree that it would have prevented some agony for the parents.

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Someone above says the baby is given a shot in utero to stop the heart. Much less painful than gasping for air for an hour and a half. It is basically euthanasia and THEN the mother delivers a stillborn baby.

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Anonymous wrote:Someone above says the baby is given a shot in utero to stop the heart. Much less painful than gasping for air for an hour and a half. It is basically euthanasia and THEN the mother delivers a stillborn baby.

Sorry. I had missed that in the thread.

I think DeSantis has ended his presidential bid with the 6 week ban.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?

Because politicians and the SCOTUS don’t care to hear women. We are second class citizens in their eyes.

So really, the goal is to get judges thrown off the court and replaced with judges you approve of?

"Thrown off"? No. But judges we "approve of"? Absolutely. Those judges we approve of would be ones that protect women's medical privacy and choices. I want politicians OUT of reproductive choices.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m really not interested in hearing what a father thinks. Why is he speaking for the mother? Why don’t he let her speak for herself?

Because politicians and the SCOTUS don’t care to hear women. We are second class citizens in their eyes.

So really, the goal is to get judges thrown off the court and replaced with judges you approve of?

"Thrown off"? No. But judges we "approve of"? Absolutely. Those judges we approve of would be ones that protect women's medical privacy and choices. I want politicians OUT of reproductive choices.

100%

And this is why republicans will keep losing. Women are not taking it.