Airbnb Review Removed

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Anonymous wrote:I finally heard back from Airbnb. My review was removed because safety of the neighborhood is beyond a host’s control. Yes they actually put that in writing.

Do you disagree? Obviously lots of other people have stayed there and don’t feel “unsafe”. Whatever feelings you had were not the Airbnb hosts’ fault.

Is this a joke? If they have a policy of removing reviews about safety, then one has no way of knowing whether others felt safe there from reading the reviews because those reviews are removed.

Your fear for your safety was only your perception — you were never threatened or actually unsafe. I agree with the removal of your review. Truthfully you sound histrionic.

Next time instead of saying it is unsafe, try describing the surroundings — graffiti on buildings, open air drug market across the street, whatever. Be specific.

Agree with this. OP, I'm sorry but you are coming off like a really annoying Karen who is mad that Airbnb is not willing to keep up your review that was probably filled with racist and classist dog whistles. Next time, stay in a more expensive place in a nicer neighborhood. It isn't the Airbnb host's fault that you were being cheap or have desires beyond your budget.

As a single woman , I would definitely want to read this poster’s review (perception or not)!

NP who has been following thread. Same, I would want to read the OP’s review.

Sometimes feeling unsafe is just that - a feeling, that you shouldn’t dismiss, and that should not be invalidated by trolls or anyone else with insults and name calling.

If you feel unsafe, you feel unsafe. It doesn’t mean you are histrionic or a Karen or racist or classist.

People should be more alarmed that Airbnb removes reviews.
Of course we want to know what the surrounding area is like, and not just how fluffy the pillows are.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. In March, we went to Philadelphia for spring break for my kids. We stayed about 5-8 blocks from where OP said she booked in Center City and we drove through the South Philly area where OP was scared. I agree that the area might be unsafe for single females after dark, my wife said she would not feel safe walking alone. That said, it did not feel any less safe than many other city locales in virtually every major city in America. I think OP's comments in the original thread and her comments to airBnB were overly exaggerated and suggested that this shoudl be listed as one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in urban America. It was a very common inner city neighborhood where it is not recommended to walk at night. I also think that area was pretty typical of the entire South Philly area. I don't think it was particularly more or less dangerous than other parts of that neighborhood and region. If OP was a single female or a small group of females going to a concert, she should have done better research and not rented anywhere in that neighborhood.

So, I think that airBnB did the right thing. Her comment was about the neighborhood and not the individual listing. The neighborhood is what it is. Patrons like OP should not be renting in that area/neighborhood, but that's up to those customers to research the area and realize that South Philly and Center City were not appropriate places for one or a few females who were not comfortable with inner city living to rent. But it isn't about the individual listing and shouldn't be on the individual listing. Renters need to do a better job vetting the neighborhoods they want to rent in.

You drove through South Philly and that makes you an expert on a listing you know nothing about? There are many neighborhoods in South Philly that are substantially safer then the street where this listing was located.

Location is one of the primary factors guiding choice of accommodation which is why Airbnb does not exclude it as a review topic in its guidelines. The customer service rep made up a rationale for removing a negative review not supported by the company”s own guidelines. How about owners are honest and above board with respect to their listings.

Unlike you, we actually stayed 4 nights in that neighborhood. I was a few blocks from where you purported to be. I drove through the area where you felt threated and I walked several blocks in the neighborhood in the evenings, unlike you who walked in in the middle of the afternoon and felt threatened. I am not purporting to be an expert, but saying that you didn't do nearly enough research on the neighborhood where you would be staying and are trying to blame the rental owner for your own lapse.

This rental and the surrounding area are about normal for a city neighborhood and your review about not feeling safe was not relevent to that particular unit. Your review did not fit the guidelines for airBnB despite your protests and so they took it down. You should not rent when you travel, but should stay in hotels. Everyone would be much happier if you just made better choices.

What drugs are you on? I never gave an address for where I stayed, or identified the rental, so your claims are complete bullshit.

You described the area with some detail in the long thread you had deleted. South Philly, X blocks south of some landmark. When you posted that, I googled and found that we also stayed about 6 blocks south of that landmark, so I guessimated that we were within 5-8 blocks of where you described. You had several posts where you gave info about the neighborhood.

As I said you should just stick to hotels.

No, I did not. What landmark are you talking about?

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Anonymous wrote:I find this whole thing to be suspicious. OP posted something, not even really asking for advice but mostly ranting, about airbnb. Didn't get the reaction they were hoping for and had the thread deleted.

Now, OP claims that airbnb deleted their review because airbnb is a bad company that deletes reviews. Not saying that they are or aren't, but I have 100% seen negative airbnb reviews about location. Example:
https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/46200177?location=Chicago%2C%20Illinois%2C%20United%20States&check_in=2023-06-20&check_out=2023-06-24&federated_search_id=42e2d1e9-a22c-49d2-96ab-64276ac43e38&source_impression_id=p3_1684865930_eH5cV8Iqgt1D2t5o

"The neighborhood is beautiful but the people were a bit sketchy. I took a walk one of the mornings and was catcalled multiple times, saw a woman almost taze her I believe to be baby daddy, and three men yelling over one another. Most of the other neighbors outside seemed to just ignore it like it was an everyday occurrence."

It doesn't all add up. What is it they say? There's your story, their story, and the truth? I'm feeling we're not getting all the details here.

Airbnb is a corporation like any other. If you think Hilton or Marriott care deeply about your well-being, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Watch out, the airbnb hosts of DCUM are on the warpath.

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Anonymous wrote:I finally heard back from Airbnb. My review was removed because safety of the neighborhood is beyond a host’s control. Yes they actually put that in writing.

Do you disagree? Obviously lots of other people have stayed there and don’t feel “unsafe”. Whatever feelings you had were not the Airbnb hosts’ fault.

Is this a joke? If they have a policy of removing reviews about safety, then one has no way of knowing whether others felt safe there from reading the reviews because those reviews are removed.

Your fear for your safety was only your perception — you were never threatened or actually unsafe. I agree with the removal of your review. Truthfully you sound histrionic.

Next time instead of saying it is unsafe, try describing the surroundings — graffiti on buildings, open air drug market across the street, whatever. Be specific.

Agree with this. OP, I'm sorry but you are coming off like a really annoying Karen who is mad that Airbnb is not willing to keep up your review that was probably filled with racist and classist dog whistles. Next time, stay in a more expensive place in a nicer neighborhood. It isn't the Airbnb host's fault that you were being cheap or have desires beyond your budget.

As a single woman , I would definitely want to read this poster’s review (perception or not)!

NP who has been following thread. Same, I would want to read the OP’s review.

Sometimes feeling unsafe is just that - a feeling, that you shouldn’t dismiss, and that should not be invalidated by trolls or anyone else with insults and name calling.

If you feel unsafe, you feel unsafe. It doesn’t mean you are histrionic or a Karen or racist or classist.

People should be more alarmed that Airbnb removes reviews.
Of course we want to know what the surrounding area is like, and not just how fluffy the pillows are.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. In March, we went to Philadelphia for spring break for my kids. We stayed about 5-8 blocks from where OP said she booked in Center City and we drove through the South Philly area where OP was scared. I agree that the area might be unsafe for single females after dark, my wife said she would not feel safe walking alone. That said, it did not feel any less safe than many other city locales in virtually every major city in America. I think OP's comments in the original thread and her comments to airBnB were overly exaggerated and suggested that this shoudl be listed as one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in urban America. It was a very common inner city neighborhood where it is not recommended to walk at night. I also think that area was pretty typical of the entire South Philly area. I don't think it was particularly more or less dangerous than other parts of that neighborhood and region. If OP was a single female or a small group of females going to a concert, she should have done better research and not rented anywhere in that neighborhood.

So, I think that airBnB did the right thing. Her comment was about the neighborhood and not the individual listing. The neighborhood is what it is. Patrons like OP should not be renting in that area/neighborhood, but that's up to those customers to research the area and realize that South Philly and Center City were not appropriate places for one or a few females who were not comfortable with inner city living to rent. But it isn't about the individual listing and shouldn't be on the individual listing. Renters need to do a better job vetting the neighborhoods they want to rent in.

You drove through South Philly and that makes you an expert on a listing you know nothing about? There are many neighborhoods in South Philly that are substantially safer then the street where this listing was located.

Location is one of the primary factors guiding choice of accommodation which is why Airbnb does not exclude it as a review topic in its guidelines. The customer service rep made up a rationale for removing a negative review not supported by the company”s own guidelines. How about owners are honest and above board with respect to their listings.

Unlike you, we actually stayed 4 nights in that neighborhood. I was a few blocks from where you purported to be. I drove through the area where you felt threated and I walked several blocks in the neighborhood in the evenings, unlike you who walked in in the middle of the afternoon and felt threatened. I am not purporting to be an expert, but saying that you didn't do nearly enough research on the neighborhood where you would be staying and are trying to blame the rental owner for your own lapse.

This rental and the surrounding area are about normal for a city neighborhood and your review about not feeling safe was not relevent to that particular unit. Your review did not fit the guidelines for airBnB despite your protests and so they took it down. You should not rent when you travel, but should stay in hotels. Everyone would be much happier if you just made better choices.

What drugs are you on? I never gave an address for where I stayed, or identified the rental, so your claims are complete bullshit.

You described the area with some detail in the long thread you had deleted. South Philly, X blocks south of some landmark. When you posted that, I googled and found that we also stayed about 6 blocks south of that landmark, so I guessimated that we were within 5-8 blocks of where you described. You had several posts where you gave info about the neighborhood.

As I said you should just stick to hotels.

No, I did not. What landmark are you talking about?

You said the rental was in the area south of Rittenhouse Square. So I looked it up and we stayed about 6 blocks south there.

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Anonymous wrote:I finally heard back from Airbnb. My review was removed because safety of the neighborhood is beyond a host’s control. Yes they actually put that in writing.

Do you disagree? Obviously lots of other people have stayed there and don’t feel “unsafe”. Whatever feelings you had were not the Airbnb hosts’ fault.

Is this a joke? If they have a policy of removing reviews about safety, then one has no way of knowing whether others felt safe there from reading the reviews because those reviews are removed.

Your fear for your safety was only your perception — you were never threatened or actually unsafe. I agree with the removal of your review. Truthfully you sound histrionic.

Next time instead of saying it is unsafe, try describing the surroundings — graffiti on buildings, open air drug market across the street, whatever. Be specific.

Agree with this. OP, I'm sorry but you are coming off like a really annoying Karen who is mad that Airbnb is not willing to keep up your review that was probably filled with racist and classist dog whistles. Next time, stay in a more expensive place in a nicer neighborhood. It isn't the Airbnb host's fault that you were being cheap or have desires beyond your budget.

As a single woman , I would definitely want to read this poster’s review (perception or not)!

NP who has been following thread. Same, I would want to read the OP’s review.

Sometimes feeling unsafe is just that - a feeling, that you shouldn’t dismiss, and that should not be invalidated by trolls or anyone else with insults and name calling.

If you feel unsafe, you feel unsafe. It doesn’t mean you are histrionic or a Karen or racist or classist.

People should be more alarmed that Airbnb removes reviews.
Of course we want to know what the surrounding area is like, and not just how fluffy the pillows are.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. In March, we went to Philadelphia for spring break for my kids. We stayed about 5-8 blocks from where OP said she booked in Center City and we drove through the South Philly area where OP was scared. I agree that the area might be unsafe for single females after dark, my wife said she would not feel safe walking alone. That said, it did not feel any less safe than many other city locales in virtually every major city in America. I think OP's comments in the original thread and her comments to airBnB were overly exaggerated and suggested that this shoudl be listed as one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in urban America. It was a very common inner city neighborhood where it is not recommended to walk at night. I also think that area was pretty typical of the entire South Philly area. I don't think it was particularly more or less dangerous than other parts of that neighborhood and region. If OP was a single female or a small group of females going to a concert, she should have done better research and not rented anywhere in that neighborhood.

So, I think that airBnB did the right thing. Her comment was about the neighborhood and not the individual listing. The neighborhood is what it is. Patrons like OP should not be renting in that area/neighborhood, but that's up to those customers to research the area and realize that South Philly and Center City were not appropriate places for one or a few females who were not comfortable with inner city living to rent. But it isn't about the individual listing and shouldn't be on the individual listing. Renters need to do a better job vetting the neighborhoods they want to rent in.

You drove through South Philly and that makes you an expert on a listing you know nothing about? There are many neighborhoods in South Philly that are substantially safer then the street where this listing was located.

Location is one of the primary factors guiding choice of accommodation which is why Airbnb does not exclude it as a review topic in its guidelines. The customer service rep made up a rationale for removing a negative review not supported by the company”s own guidelines. How about owners are honest and above board with respect to their listings.

Unlike you, we actually stayed 4 nights in that neighborhood. I was a few blocks from where you purported to be. I drove through the area where you felt threated and I walked several blocks in the neighborhood in the evenings, unlike you who walked in in the middle of the afternoon and felt threatened. I am not purporting to be an expert, but saying that you didn't do nearly enough research on the neighborhood where you would be staying and are trying to blame the rental owner for your own lapse.

This rental and the surrounding area are about normal for a city neighborhood and your review about not feeling safe was not relevent to that particular unit. Your review did not fit the guidelines for airBnB despite your protests and so they took it down. You should not rent when you travel, but should stay in hotels. Everyone would be much happier if you just made better choices.

What drugs are you on? I never gave an address for where I stayed, or identified the rental, so your claims are complete bullshit.

You gave the area in your first thread, ma'am

I never gave any information that would be sufficient to identify the block the listing was on, let alone the listing address. You are just making shit up.

And don’t try to claim the neighborhood as a whole is safe, when some blocks are repeatedly the sites of gun violence.

You said it was in Point Breeze.

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Give it a rest OP. You were wrong. Move on.

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Anonymous wrote:I finally heard back from Airbnb. My review was removed because safety of the neighborhood is beyond a host’s control. Yes they actually put that in writing.

Do you disagree? Obviously lots of other people have stayed there and don’t feel “unsafe”. Whatever feelings you had were not the Airbnb hosts’ fault.

Is this a joke? If they have a policy of removing reviews about safety, then one has no way of knowing whether others felt safe there from reading the reviews because those reviews are removed.

Your fear for your safety was only your perception — you were never threatened or actually unsafe. I agree with the removal of your review. Truthfully you sound histrionic.

Next time instead of saying it is unsafe, try describing the surroundings — graffiti on buildings, open air drug market across the street, whatever. Be specific.

Agree with this. OP, I'm sorry but you are coming off like a really annoying Karen who is mad that Airbnb is not willing to keep up your review that was probably filled with racist and classist dog whistles. Next time, stay in a more expensive place in a nicer neighborhood. It isn't the Airbnb host's fault that you were being cheap or have desires beyond your budget.

As a single woman , I would definitely want to read this poster’s review (perception or not)!

NP who has been following thread. Same, I would want to read the OP’s review.

Sometimes feeling unsafe is just that - a feeling, that you shouldn’t dismiss, and that should not be invalidated by trolls or anyone else with insults and name calling.

If you feel unsafe, you feel unsafe. It doesn’t mean you are histrionic or a Karen or racist or classist.

People should be more alarmed that Airbnb removes reviews.
Of course we want to know what the surrounding area is like, and not just how fluffy the pillows are.

Well said.

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Anonymous wrote:I finally heard back from Airbnb. My review was removed because safety of the neighborhood is beyond a host’s control. Yes they actually put that in writing.

Do you disagree? Obviously lots of other people have stayed there and don’t feel “unsafe”. Whatever feelings you had were not the Airbnb hosts’ fault.

Is this a joke? If they have a policy of removing reviews about safety, then one has no way of knowing whether others felt safe there from reading the reviews because those reviews are removed.

Your fear for your safety was only your perception — you were never threatened or actually unsafe. I agree with the removal of your review. Truthfully you sound histrionic.

Next time instead of saying it is unsafe, try describing the surroundings — graffiti on buildings, open air drug market across the street, whatever. Be specific.

Agree with this. OP, I'm sorry but you are coming off like a really annoying Karen who is mad that Airbnb is not willing to keep up your review that was probably filled with racist and classist dog whistles. Next time, stay in a more expensive place in a nicer neighborhood. It isn't the Airbnb host's fault that you were being cheap or have desires beyond your budget.

As a single woman , I would definitely want to read this poster’s review (perception or not)!

NP who has been following thread. Same, I would want to read the OP’s review.

Sometimes feeling unsafe is just that - a feeling, that you shouldn’t dismiss, and that should not be invalidated by trolls or anyone else with insults and name calling.

If you feel unsafe, you feel unsafe. It doesn’t mean you are histrionic or a Karen or racist or classist.

People should be more alarmed that Airbnb removes reviews.
Of course we want to know what the surrounding area is like, and not just how fluffy the pillows are.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. In March, we went to Philadelphia for spring break for my kids. We stayed about 5-8 blocks from where OP said she booked in Center City and we drove through the South Philly area where OP was scared. I agree that the area might be unsafe for single females after dark, my wife said she would not feel safe walking alone. That said, it did not feel any less safe than many other city locales in virtually every major city in America. I think OP's comments in the original thread and her comments to airBnB were overly exaggerated and suggested that this shoudl be listed as one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in urban America. It was a very common inner city neighborhood where it is not recommended to walk at night. I also think that area was pretty typical of the entire South Philly area. I don't think it was particularly more or less dangerous than other parts of that neighborhood and region. If OP was a single female or a small group of females going to a concert, she should have done better research and not rented anywhere in that neighborhood.

So, I think that airBnB did the right thing. Her comment was about the neighborhood and not the individual listing. The neighborhood is what it is. Patrons like OP should not be renting in that area/neighborhood, but that's up to those customers to research the area and realize that South Philly and Center City were not appropriate places for one or a few females who were not comfortable with inner city living to rent. But it isn't about the individual listing and shouldn't be on the individual listing. Renters need to do a better job vetting the neighborhoods they want to rent in.

You drove through South Philly and that makes you an expert on a listing you know nothing about? There are many neighborhoods in South Philly that are substantially safer then the street where this listing was located.

Location is one of the primary factors guiding choice of accommodation which is why Airbnb does not exclude it as a review topic in its guidelines. The customer service rep made up a rationale for removing a negative review not supported by the company”s own guidelines. How about owners are honest and above board with respect to their listings.

Unlike you, we actually stayed 4 nights in that neighborhood. I was a few blocks from where you purported to be. I drove through the area where you felt threated and I walked several blocks in the neighborhood in the evenings, unlike you who walked in in the middle of the afternoon and felt threatened. I am not purporting to be an expert, but saying that you didn't do nearly enough research on the neighborhood where you would be staying and are trying to blame the rental owner for your own lapse.

This rental and the surrounding area are about normal for a city neighborhood and your review about not feeling safe was not relevent to that particular unit. Your review did not fit the guidelines for airBnB despite your protests and so they took it down. You should not rent when you travel, but should stay in hotels. Everyone would be much happier if you just made better choices.

What drugs are you on? I never gave an address for where I stayed, or identified the rental, so your claims are complete bullshit.

You described the area with some detail in the long thread you had deleted. South Philly, X blocks south of some landmark. When you posted that, I googled and found that we also stayed about 6 blocks south of that landmark, so I guessimated that we were within 5-8 blocks of where you described. You had several posts where you gave info about the neighborhood.

As I said you should just stick to hotels.

No, I did not. What landmark are you talking about?

You said the rental was in the area south of Rittenhouse Square. So I looked it up and we stayed about 6 blocks south there.

You misremember. I said the owner claimed Rittenhouse Square was a stone's throw away. In actuality, the airbnb was 1.5 miles from Rittenhouse Square. I agree-six blocks south of Rittenhouse Square is a safe neighborhood and I would be comfortable staying there. Completely different area from where this airbnb was unfortunately.

My definition of unsafe is as follows: vacant and derelict housing on block, multiple shootings in the past year within a 3 block radius.

If I were ever to rent from airbnb, I now know to google for shootings in the vicinity. I wouldn't think that is necessary, but I now know differently.

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Anonymous wrote:I find this whole thing to be suspicious. OP posted something, not even really asking for advice but mostly ranting, about airbnb. Didn't get the reaction they were hoping for and had the thread deleted.

Now, OP claims that airbnb deleted their review because airbnb is a bad company that deletes reviews. Not saying that they are or aren't, but I have 100% seen negative airbnb reviews about location. Example:
https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/46200177?location=Chicago%2C%20Illinois%2C%20United%20States&check_in=2023-06-20&check_out=2023-06-24&federated_search_id=42e2d1e9-a22c-49d2-96ab-64276ac43e38&source_impression_id=p3_1684865930_eH5cV8Iqgt1D2t5o

"The neighborhood is beautiful but the people were a bit sketchy. I took a walk one of the mornings and was catcalled multiple times, saw a woman almost taze her I believe to be baby daddy, and three men yelling over one another. Most of the other neighbors outside seemed to just ignore it like it was an everyday occurrence."

It doesn't all add up. What is it they say? There's your story, their story, and the truth? I'm feeling we're not getting all the details here.

Airbnb is a corporation like any other. If you think Hilton or Marriott care deeply about your well-being, I've got a bridge to sell you.

Watch out, the airbnb hosts of DCUM are on the warpath.

Huh? Nope.

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Anonymous wrote:I finally heard back from Airbnb. My review was removed because safety of the neighborhood is beyond a host’s control. Yes they actually put that in writing.

Do you disagree? Obviously lots of other people have stayed there and don’t feel “unsafe”. Whatever feelings you had were not the Airbnb hosts’ fault.

Is this a joke? If they have a policy of removing reviews about safety, then one has no way of knowing whether others felt safe there from reading the reviews because those reviews are removed.

Your fear for your safety was only your perception — you were never threatened or actually unsafe. I agree with the removal of your review. Truthfully you sound histrionic.

Next time instead of saying it is unsafe, try describing the surroundings — graffiti on buildings, open air drug market across the street, whatever. Be specific.

Agree with this. OP, I'm sorry but you are coming off like a really annoying Karen who is mad that Airbnb is not willing to keep up your review that was probably filled with racist and classist dog whistles. Next time, stay in a more expensive place in a nicer neighborhood. It isn't the Airbnb host's fault that you were being cheap or have desires beyond your budget.

As a single woman , I would definitely want to read this poster’s review (perception or not)!

NP who has been following thread. Same, I would want to read the OP’s review.

Sometimes feeling unsafe is just that - a feeling, that you shouldn’t dismiss, and that should not be invalidated by trolls or anyone else with insults and name calling.

If you feel unsafe, you feel unsafe. It doesn’t mean you are histrionic or a Karen or racist or classist.

People should be more alarmed that Airbnb removes reviews.
Of course we want to know what the surrounding area is like, and not just how fluffy the pillows are.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. In March, we went to Philadelphia for spring break for my kids. We stayed about 5-8 blocks from where OP said she booked in Center City and we drove through the South Philly area where OP was scared. I agree that the area might be unsafe for single females after dark, my wife said she would not feel safe walking alone. That said, it did not feel any less safe than many other city locales in virtually every major city in America. I think OP's comments in the original thread and her comments to airBnB were overly exaggerated and suggested that this shoudl be listed as one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in urban America. It was a very common inner city neighborhood where it is not recommended to walk at night. I also think that area was pretty typical of the entire South Philly area. I don't think it was particularly more or less dangerous than other parts of that neighborhood and region. If OP was a single female or a small group of females going to a concert, she should have done better research and not rented anywhere in that neighborhood.

So, I think that airBnB did the right thing. Her comment was about the neighborhood and not the individual listing. The neighborhood is what it is. Patrons like OP should not be renting in that area/neighborhood, but that's up to those customers to research the area and realize that South Philly and Center City were not appropriate places for one or a few females who were not comfortable with inner city living to rent. But it isn't about the individual listing and shouldn't be on the individual listing. Renters need to do a better job vetting the neighborhoods they want to rent in.

You drove through South Philly and that makes you an expert on a listing you know nothing about? There are many neighborhoods in South Philly that are substantially safer then the street where this listing was located.

Location is one of the primary factors guiding choice of accommodation which is why Airbnb does not exclude it as a review topic in its guidelines. The customer service rep made up a rationale for removing a negative review not supported by the company”s own guidelines. How about owners are honest and above board with respect to their listings.

Unlike you, we actually stayed 4 nights in that neighborhood. I was a few blocks from where you purported to be. I drove through the area where you felt threated and I walked several blocks in the neighborhood in the evenings, unlike you who walked in in the middle of the afternoon and felt threatened. I am not purporting to be an expert, but saying that you didn't do nearly enough research on the neighborhood where you would be staying and are trying to blame the rental owner for your own lapse.

This rental and the surrounding area are about normal for a city neighborhood and your review about not feeling safe was not relevent to that particular unit. Your review did not fit the guidelines for airBnB despite your protests and so they took it down. You should not rent when you travel, but should stay in hotels. Everyone would be much happier if you just made better choices.

What drugs are you on? I never gave an address for where I stayed, or identified the rental, so your claims are complete bullshit.

You described the area with some detail in the long thread you had deleted. South Philly, X blocks south of some landmark. When you posted that, I googled and found that we also stayed about 6 blocks south of that landmark, so I guessimated that we were within 5-8 blocks of where you described. You had several posts where you gave info about the neighborhood.

As I said you should just stick to hotels.

No, I did not. What landmark are you talking about?

You said the rental was in the area south of Rittenhouse Square. So I looked it up and we stayed about 6 blocks south there.

You misremember. I said the owner claimed Rittenhouse Square was a stone's throw away. In actuality, the airbnb was 1.5 miles from Rittenhouse Square. I agree-six blocks south of Rittenhouse Square is a safe neighborhood and I would be comfortable staying there. Completely different area from where this airbnb was unfortunately.

My definition of unsafe is as follows: vacant and derelict housing on block, multiple shootings in the past year within a 3 block radius.

If I were ever to rent from airbnb, I now know to google for shootings in the vicinity. I wouldn't think that is necessary, but I now know differently.

Did you ask the host for an actual distance from the square, rather than relying on the vague "close?" If you wanted to be within 6 blocks of the square, it was on you to make sure that was what you were getting.

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Anonymous wrote:I finally heard back from Airbnb. My review was removed because safety of the neighborhood is beyond a host’s control. Yes they actually put that in writing.

Do you disagree? Obviously lots of other people have stayed there and don’t feel “unsafe”. Whatever feelings you had were not the Airbnb hosts’ fault.

Is this a joke? If they have a policy of removing reviews about safety, then one has no way of knowing whether others felt safe there from reading the reviews because those reviews are removed.

Your fear for your safety was only your perception — you were never threatened or actually unsafe. I agree with the removal of your review. Truthfully you sound histrionic.

Next time instead of saying it is unsafe, try describing the surroundings — graffiti on buildings, open air drug market across the street, whatever. Be specific.

Agree with this. OP, I'm sorry but you are coming off like a really annoying Karen who is mad that Airbnb is not willing to keep up your review that was probably filled with racist and classist dog whistles. Next time, stay in a more expensive place in a nicer neighborhood. It isn't the Airbnb host's fault that you were being cheap or have desires beyond your budget.

As a single woman , I would definitely want to read this poster’s review (perception or not)!

NP who has been following thread. Same, I would want to read the OP’s review.

Sometimes feeling unsafe is just that - a feeling, that you shouldn’t dismiss, and that should not be invalidated by trolls or anyone else with insults and name calling.

If you feel unsafe, you feel unsafe. It doesn’t mean you are histrionic or a Karen or racist or classist.

People should be more alarmed that Airbnb removes reviews.
Of course we want to know what the surrounding area is like, and not just how fluffy the pillows are.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. In March, we went to Philadelphia for spring break for my kids. We stayed about 5-8 blocks from where OP said she booked in Center City and we drove through the South Philly area where OP was scared. I agree that the area might be unsafe for single females after dark, my wife said she would not feel safe walking alone. That said, it did not feel any less safe than many other city locales in virtually every major city in America. I think OP's comments in the original thread and her comments to airBnB were overly exaggerated and suggested that this shoudl be listed as one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in urban America. It was a very common inner city neighborhood where it is not recommended to walk at night. I also think that area was pretty typical of the entire South Philly area. I don't think it was particularly more or less dangerous than other parts of that neighborhood and region. If OP was a single female or a small group of females going to a concert, she should have done better research and not rented anywhere in that neighborhood.

So, I think that airBnB did the right thing. Her comment was about the neighborhood and not the individual listing. The neighborhood is what it is. Patrons like OP should not be renting in that area/neighborhood, but that's up to those customers to research the area and realize that South Philly and Center City were not appropriate places for one or a few females who were not comfortable with inner city living to rent. But it isn't about the individual listing and shouldn't be on the individual listing. Renters need to do a better job vetting the neighborhoods they want to rent in.

You drove through South Philly and that makes you an expert on a listing you know nothing about? There are many neighborhoods in South Philly that are substantially safer then the street where this listing was located.

Location is one of the primary factors guiding choice of accommodation which is why Airbnb does not exclude it as a review topic in its guidelines. The customer service rep made up a rationale for removing a negative review not supported by the company”s own guidelines. How about owners are honest and above board with respect to their listings.

Unlike you, we actually stayed 4 nights in that neighborhood. I was a few blocks from where you purported to be. I drove through the area where you felt threated and I walked several blocks in the neighborhood in the evenings, unlike you who walked in in the middle of the afternoon and felt threatened. I am not purporting to be an expert, but saying that you didn't do nearly enough research on the neighborhood where you would be staying and are trying to blame the rental owner for your own lapse.

This rental and the surrounding area are about normal for a city neighborhood and your review about not feeling safe was not relevent to that particular unit. Your review did not fit the guidelines for airBnB despite your protests and so they took it down. You should not rent when you travel, but should stay in hotels. Everyone would be much happier if you just made better choices.

What drugs are you on? I never gave an address for where I stayed, or identified the rental, so your claims are complete bullshit.

You described the area with some detail in the long thread you had deleted. South Philly, X blocks south of some landmark. When you posted that, I googled and found that we also stayed about 6 blocks south of that landmark, so I guessimated that we were within 5-8 blocks of where you described. You had several posts where you gave info about the neighborhood.

As I said you should just stick to hotels.

No, I did not. What landmark are you talking about?

You said the rental was in the area south of Rittenhouse Square. So I looked it up and we stayed about 6 blocks south there.

You misremember. I said the owner claimed Rittenhouse Square was a stone's throw away. In actuality, the airbnb was 1.5 miles from Rittenhouse Square. I agree-six blocks south of Rittenhouse Square is a safe neighborhood and I would be comfortable staying there. Completely different area from where this airbnb was unfortunately.

My definition of unsafe is as follows: vacant and derelict housing on block, multiple shootings in the past year within a 3 block radius.

If I were ever to rent from airbnb, I now know to google for shootings in the vicinity. I wouldn't think that is necessary, but I now know differently.

Did you ask the host for an actual distance from the square, rather than relying on the vague "close?" If you wanted to be within 6 blocks of the square, it was on you to make sure that was what you were getting.

I never said I wanted to be within 6 blocks of Rittenhouse Square. I said the owner misrepresented the location of the house as close to Rittenhouse Square.

A rental further away which was in a safe location , i.e. not plagued by gun violence and other crime, would have been fine.

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Anonymous wrote:I finally heard back from Airbnb. My review was removed because safety of the neighborhood is beyond a host’s control. Yes they actually put that in writing.

Do you disagree? Obviously lots of other people have stayed there and don’t feel “unsafe”. Whatever feelings you had were not the Airbnb hosts’ fault.

Is this a joke? If they have a policy of removing reviews about safety, then one has no way of knowing whether others felt safe there from reading the reviews because those reviews are removed.

Your fear for your safety was only your perception — you were never threatened or actually unsafe. I agree with the removal of your review. Truthfully you sound histrionic.

Next time instead of saying it is unsafe, try describing the surroundings — graffiti on buildings, open air drug market across the street, whatever. Be specific.

Agree with this. OP, I'm sorry but you are coming off like a really annoying Karen who is mad that Airbnb is not willing to keep up your review that was probably filled with racist and classist dog whistles. Next time, stay in a more expensive place in a nicer neighborhood. It isn't the Airbnb host's fault that you were being cheap or have desires beyond your budget.

As a single woman , I would definitely want to read this poster’s review (perception or not)!

NP who has been following thread. Same, I would want to read the OP’s review.

Sometimes feeling unsafe is just that - a feeling, that you shouldn’t dismiss, and that should not be invalidated by trolls or anyone else with insults and name calling.

If you feel unsafe, you feel unsafe. It doesn’t mean you are histrionic or a Karen or racist or classist.

People should be more alarmed that Airbnb removes reviews.
Of course we want to know what the surrounding area is like, and not just how fluffy the pillows are.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. In March, we went to Philadelphia for spring break for my kids. We stayed about 5-8 blocks from where OP said she booked in Center City and we drove through the South Philly area where OP was scared. I agree that the area might be unsafe for single females after dark, my wife said she would not feel safe walking alone. That said, it did not feel any less safe than many other city locales in virtually every major city in America. I think OP's comments in the original thread and her comments to airBnB were overly exaggerated and suggested that this shoudl be listed as one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in urban America. It was a very common inner city neighborhood where it is not recommended to walk at night. I also think that area was pretty typical of the entire South Philly area. I don't think it was particularly more or less dangerous than other parts of that neighborhood and region. If OP was a single female or a small group of females going to a concert, she should have done better research and not rented anywhere in that neighborhood.

So, I think that airBnB did the right thing. Her comment was about the neighborhood and not the individual listing. The neighborhood is what it is. Patrons like OP should not be renting in that area/neighborhood, but that's up to those customers to research the area and realize that South Philly and Center City were not appropriate places for one or a few females who were not comfortable with inner city living to rent. But it isn't about the individual listing and shouldn't be on the individual listing. Renters need to do a better job vetting the neighborhoods they want to rent in.

You drove through South Philly and that makes you an expert on a listing you know nothing about? There are many neighborhoods in South Philly that are substantially safer then the street where this listing was located.

Location is one of the primary factors guiding choice of accommodation which is why Airbnb does not exclude it as a review topic in its guidelines. The customer service rep made up a rationale for removing a negative review not supported by the company”s own guidelines. How about owners are honest and above board with respect to their listings.

Unlike you, we actually stayed 4 nights in that neighborhood. I was a few blocks from where you purported to be. I drove through the area where you felt threated and I walked several blocks in the neighborhood in the evenings, unlike you who walked in in the middle of the afternoon and felt threatened. I am not purporting to be an expert, but saying that you didn't do nearly enough research on the neighborhood where you would be staying and are trying to blame the rental owner for your own lapse.

This rental and the surrounding area are about normal for a city neighborhood and your review about not feeling safe was not relevent to that particular unit. Your review did not fit the guidelines for airBnB despite your protests and so they took it down. You should not rent when you travel, but should stay in hotels. Everyone would be much happier if you just made better choices.

What drugs are you on? I never gave an address for where I stayed, or identified the rental, so your claims are complete bullshit.

You described the area with some detail in the long thread you had deleted. South Philly, X blocks south of some landmark. When you posted that, I googled and found that we also stayed about 6 blocks south of that landmark, so I guessimated that we were within 5-8 blocks of where you described. You had several posts where you gave info about the neighborhood.

As I said you should just stick to hotels.

No, I did not. What landmark are you talking about?

You said the rental was in the area south of Rittenhouse Square. So I looked it up and we stayed about 6 blocks south there.

You misremember. I said the owner claimed Rittenhouse Square was a stone's throw away. In actuality, the airbnb was 1.5 miles from Rittenhouse Square. I agree-six blocks south of Rittenhouse Square is a safe neighborhood and I would be comfortable staying there. Completely different area from where this airbnb was unfortunately.

My definition of unsafe is as follows: vacant and derelict housing on block, multiple shootings in the past year within a 3 block radius.

If I were ever to rent from airbnb, I now know to google for shootings in the vicinity. I wouldn't think that is necessary, but I now know differently.

Did you ask the host for an actual distance from the square, rather than relying on the vague "close?" If you wanted to be within 6 blocks of the square, it was on you to make sure that was what you were getting.

I never said I wanted to be within 6 blocks of Rittenhouse Square. I said the owner misrepresented the location of the house as close to Rittenhouse Square.

A rental further away which was in a safe location , i.e. not plagued by gun violence and other crime, would have been fine.

I'm amazed that you keep trying to defend yourself. I can see exactly why airbnb removed your review that probably included vague references like your last sentence above.

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Anonymous wrote:I finally heard back from Airbnb. My review was removed because safety of the neighborhood is beyond a host’s control. Yes they actually put that in writing.

Do you disagree? Obviously lots of other people have stayed there and don’t feel “unsafe”. Whatever feelings you had were not the Airbnb hosts’ fault.

Is this a joke? If they have a policy of removing reviews about safety, then one has no way of knowing whether others felt safe there from reading the reviews because those reviews are removed.

Your fear for your safety was only your perception — you were never threatened or actually unsafe. I agree with the removal of your review. Truthfully you sound histrionic.

Next time instead of saying it is unsafe, try describing the surroundings — graffiti on buildings, open air drug market across the street, whatever. Be specific.

Agree with this. OP, I'm sorry but you are coming off like a really annoying Karen who is mad that Airbnb is not willing to keep up your review that was probably filled with racist and classist dog whistles. Next time, stay in a more expensive place in a nicer neighborhood. It isn't the Airbnb host's fault that you were being cheap or have desires beyond your budget.

As a single woman , I would definitely want to read this poster’s review (perception or not)!

NP who has been following thread. Same, I would want to read the OP’s review.

Sometimes feeling unsafe is just that - a feeling, that you shouldn’t dismiss, and that should not be invalidated by trolls or anyone else with insults and name calling.

If you feel unsafe, you feel unsafe. It doesn’t mean you are histrionic or a Karen or racist or classist.

People should be more alarmed that Airbnb removes reviews.
Of course we want to know what the surrounding area is like, and not just how fluffy the pillows are.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. In March, we went to Philadelphia for spring break for my kids. We stayed about 5-8 blocks from where OP said she booked in Center City and we drove through the South Philly area where OP was scared. I agree that the area might be unsafe for single females after dark, my wife said she would not feel safe walking alone. That said, it did not feel any less safe than many other city locales in virtually every major city in America. I think OP's comments in the original thread and her comments to airBnB were overly exaggerated and suggested that this shoudl be listed as one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in urban America. It was a very common inner city neighborhood where it is not recommended to walk at night. I also think that area was pretty typical of the entire South Philly area. I don't think it was particularly more or less dangerous than other parts of that neighborhood and region. If OP was a single female or a small group of females going to a concert, she should have done better research and not rented anywhere in that neighborhood.

So, I think that airBnB did the right thing. Her comment was about the neighborhood and not the individual listing. The neighborhood is what it is. Patrons like OP should not be renting in that area/neighborhood, but that's up to those customers to research the area and realize that South Philly and Center City were not appropriate places for one or a few females who were not comfortable with inner city living to rent. But it isn't about the individual listing and shouldn't be on the individual listing. Renters need to do a better job vetting the neighborhoods they want to rent in.

You drove through South Philly and that makes you an expert on a listing you know nothing about? There are many neighborhoods in South Philly that are substantially safer then the street where this listing was located.

Location is one of the primary factors guiding choice of accommodation which is why Airbnb does not exclude it as a review topic in its guidelines. The customer service rep made up a rationale for removing a negative review not supported by the company”s own guidelines. How about owners are honest and above board with respect to their listings.

Unlike you, we actually stayed 4 nights in that neighborhood. I was a few blocks from where you purported to be. I drove through the area where you felt threated and I walked several blocks in the neighborhood in the evenings, unlike you who walked in in the middle of the afternoon and felt threatened. I am not purporting to be an expert, but saying that you didn't do nearly enough research on the neighborhood where you would be staying and are trying to blame the rental owner for your own lapse.

This rental and the surrounding area are about normal for a city neighborhood and your review about not feeling safe was not relevent to that particular unit. Your review did not fit the guidelines for airBnB despite your protests and so they took it down. You should not rent when you travel, but should stay in hotels. Everyone would be much happier if you just made better choices.

What drugs are you on? I never gave an address for where I stayed, or identified the rental, so your claims are complete bullshit.

You described the area with some detail in the long thread you had deleted. South Philly, X blocks south of some landmark. When you posted that, I googled and found that we also stayed about 6 blocks south of that landmark, so I guessimated that we were within 5-8 blocks of where you described. You had several posts where you gave info about the neighborhood.

As I said you should just stick to hotels.

No, I did not. What landmark are you talking about?

You said the rental was in the area south of Rittenhouse Square. So I looked it up and we stayed about 6 blocks south there.

You misremember. I said the owner claimed Rittenhouse Square was a stone's throw away. In actuality, the airbnb was 1.5 miles from Rittenhouse Square. I agree-six blocks south of Rittenhouse Square is a safe neighborhood and I would be comfortable staying there. Completely different area from where this airbnb was unfortunately.

My definition of unsafe is as follows: vacant and derelict housing on block, multiple shootings in the past year within a 3 block radius.

If I were ever to rent from airbnb, I now know to google for shootings in the vicinity. I wouldn't think that is necessary, but I now know differently.

Did you ask the host for an actual distance from the square, rather than relying on the vague "close?" If you wanted to be within 6 blocks of the square, it was on you to make sure that was what you were getting.

I never said I wanted to be within 6 blocks of Rittenhouse Square. I said the owner misrepresented the location of the house as close to Rittenhouse Square.

A rental further away which was in a safe location , i.e. not plagued by gun violence and other crime, would have been fine.

I'm amazed that you keep trying to defend yourself. I can see exactly why airbnb removed your review that probably included vague references like your last sentence above.

Do you want not vague? There were multiple shootings within three blocks of this listing in the past year. That’s information I consider relevant, you do you.

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Anonymous wrote:I finally heard back from Airbnb. My review was removed because safety of the neighborhood is beyond a host’s control. Yes they actually put that in writing.

Do you disagree? Obviously lots of other people have stayed there and don’t feel “unsafe”. Whatever feelings you had were not the Airbnb hosts’ fault.

Is this a joke? If they have a policy of removing reviews about safety, then one has no way of knowing whether others felt safe there from reading the reviews because those reviews are removed.

Your fear for your safety was only your perception — you were never threatened or actually unsafe. I agree with the removal of your review. Truthfully you sound histrionic.

Next time instead of saying it is unsafe, try describing the surroundings — graffiti on buildings, open air drug market across the street, whatever. Be specific.

Agree with this. OP, I'm sorry but you are coming off like a really annoying Karen who is mad that Airbnb is not willing to keep up your review that was probably filled with racist and classist dog whistles. Next time, stay in a more expensive place in a nicer neighborhood. It isn't the Airbnb host's fault that you were being cheap or have desires beyond your budget.

As a single woman , I would definitely want to read this poster’s review (perception or not)!

NP who has been following thread. Same, I would want to read the OP’s review.

Sometimes feeling unsafe is just that - a feeling, that you shouldn’t dismiss, and that should not be invalidated by trolls or anyone else with insults and name calling.

If you feel unsafe, you feel unsafe. It doesn’t mean you are histrionic or a Karen or racist or classist.

People should be more alarmed that Airbnb removes reviews.
Of course we want to know what the surrounding area is like, and not just how fluffy the pillows are.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. In March, we went to Philadelphia for spring break for my kids. We stayed about 5-8 blocks from where OP said she booked in Center City and we drove through the South Philly area where OP was scared. I agree that the area might be unsafe for single females after dark, my wife said she would not feel safe walking alone. That said, it did not feel any less safe than many other city locales in virtually every major city in America. I think OP's comments in the original thread and her comments to airBnB were overly exaggerated and suggested that this shoudl be listed as one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in urban America. It was a very common inner city neighborhood where it is not recommended to walk at night. I also think that area was pretty typical of the entire South Philly area. I don't think it was particularly more or less dangerous than other parts of that neighborhood and region. If OP was a single female or a small group of females going to a concert, she should have done better research and not rented anywhere in that neighborhood.

So, I think that airBnB did the right thing. Her comment was about the neighborhood and not the individual listing. The neighborhood is what it is. Patrons like OP should not be renting in that area/neighborhood, but that's up to those customers to research the area and realize that South Philly and Center City were not appropriate places for one or a few females who were not comfortable with inner city living to rent. But it isn't about the individual listing and shouldn't be on the individual listing. Renters need to do a better job vetting the neighborhoods they want to rent in.

You drove through South Philly and that makes you an expert on a listing you know nothing about? There are many neighborhoods in South Philly that are substantially safer then the street where this listing was located.

Location is one of the primary factors guiding choice of accommodation which is why Airbnb does not exclude it as a review topic in its guidelines. The customer service rep made up a rationale for removing a negative review not supported by the company”s own guidelines. How about owners are honest and above board with respect to their listings.

Unlike you, we actually stayed 4 nights in that neighborhood. I was a few blocks from where you purported to be. I drove through the area where you felt threated and I walked several blocks in the neighborhood in the evenings, unlike you who walked in in the middle of the afternoon and felt threatened. I am not purporting to be an expert, but saying that you didn't do nearly enough research on the neighborhood where you would be staying and are trying to blame the rental owner for your own lapse.

This rental and the surrounding area are about normal for a city neighborhood and your review about not feeling safe was not relevent to that particular unit. Your review did not fit the guidelines for airBnB despite your protests and so they took it down. You should not rent when you travel, but should stay in hotels. Everyone would be much happier if you just made better choices.

What drugs are you on? I never gave an address for where I stayed, or identified the rental, so your claims are complete bullshit.

You described the area with some detail in the long thread you had deleted. South Philly, X blocks south of some landmark. When you posted that, I googled and found that we also stayed about 6 blocks south of that landmark, so I guessimated that we were within 5-8 blocks of where you described. You had several posts where you gave info about the neighborhood.

As I said you should just stick to hotels.

No, I did not. What landmark are you talking about?

You said the rental was in the area south of Rittenhouse Square. So I looked it up and we stayed about 6 blocks south there.

You misremember. I said the owner claimed Rittenhouse Square was a stone's throw away. In actuality, the airbnb was 1.5 miles from Rittenhouse Square. I agree-six blocks south of Rittenhouse Square is a safe neighborhood and I would be comfortable staying there. Completely different area from where this airbnb was unfortunately.

My definition of unsafe is as follows: vacant and derelict housing on block, multiple shootings in the past year within a 3 block radius.

If I were ever to rent from airbnb, I now know to google for shootings in the vicinity. I wouldn't think that is necessary, but I now know differently.

Did you ask the host for an actual distance from the square, rather than relying on the vague "close?" If you wanted to be within 6 blocks of the square, it was on you to make sure that was what you were getting.

I never said I wanted to be within 6 blocks of Rittenhouse Square. I said the owner misrepresented the location of the house as close to Rittenhouse Square.

A rental further away which was in a safe location , i.e. not plagued by gun violence and other crime, would have been fine.

I'm amazed that you keep trying to defend yourself. I can see exactly why airbnb removed your review that probably included vague references like your last sentence above.

Do you want not vague? There were multiple shootings within three blocks of this listing in the past year. That’s information I consider relevant, you do you.

2-3 shootings within three blocks. That is almost certainly true of most parts of Rittenhouse Square as well. Or any corridor of a major city.

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Anonymous wrote:I finally heard back from Airbnb. My review was removed because safety of the neighborhood is beyond a host’s control. Yes they actually put that in writing.

Do you disagree? Obviously lots of other people have stayed there and don’t feel “unsafe”. Whatever feelings you had were not the Airbnb hosts’ fault.

Is this a joke? If they have a policy of removing reviews about safety, then one has no way of knowing whether others felt safe there from reading the reviews because those reviews are removed.

Your fear for your safety was only your perception — you were never threatened or actually unsafe. I agree with the removal of your review. Truthfully you sound histrionic.

Next time instead of saying it is unsafe, try describing the surroundings — graffiti on buildings, open air drug market across the street, whatever. Be specific.

Agree with this. OP, I'm sorry but you are coming off like a really annoying Karen who is mad that Airbnb is not willing to keep up your review that was probably filled with racist and classist dog whistles. Next time, stay in a more expensive place in a nicer neighborhood. It isn't the Airbnb host's fault that you were being cheap or have desires beyond your budget.

As a single woman , I would definitely want to read this poster’s review (perception or not)!

NP who has been following thread. Same, I would want to read the OP’s review.

Sometimes feeling unsafe is just that - a feeling, that you shouldn’t dismiss, and that should not be invalidated by trolls or anyone else with insults and name calling.

If you feel unsafe, you feel unsafe. It doesn’t mean you are histrionic or a Karen or racist or classist.

People should be more alarmed that Airbnb removes reviews.
Of course we want to know what the surrounding area is like, and not just how fluffy the pillows are.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. In March, we went to Philadelphia for spring break for my kids. We stayed about 5-8 blocks from where OP said she booked in Center City and we drove through the South Philly area where OP was scared. I agree that the area might be unsafe for single females after dark, my wife said she would not feel safe walking alone. That said, it did not feel any less safe than many other city locales in virtually every major city in America. I think OP's comments in the original thread and her comments to airBnB were overly exaggerated and suggested that this shoudl be listed as one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in urban America. It was a very common inner city neighborhood where it is not recommended to walk at night. I also think that area was pretty typical of the entire South Philly area. I don't think it was particularly more or less dangerous than other parts of that neighborhood and region. If OP was a single female or a small group of females going to a concert, she should have done better research and not rented anywhere in that neighborhood.

So, I think that airBnB did the right thing. Her comment was about the neighborhood and not the individual listing. The neighborhood is what it is. Patrons like OP should not be renting in that area/neighborhood, but that's up to those customers to research the area and realize that South Philly and Center City were not appropriate places for one or a few females who were not comfortable with inner city living to rent. But it isn't about the individual listing and shouldn't be on the individual listing. Renters need to do a better job vetting the neighborhoods they want to rent in.

You drove through South Philly and that makes you an expert on a listing you know nothing about? There are many neighborhoods in South Philly that are substantially safer then the street where this listing was located.

Location is one of the primary factors guiding choice of accommodation which is why Airbnb does not exclude it as a review topic in its guidelines. The customer service rep made up a rationale for removing a negative review not supported by the company”s own guidelines. How about owners are honest and above board with respect to their listings.

Unlike you, we actually stayed 4 nights in that neighborhood. I was a few blocks from where you purported to be. I drove through the area where you felt threated and I walked several blocks in the neighborhood in the evenings, unlike you who walked in in the middle of the afternoon and felt threatened. I am not purporting to be an expert, but saying that you didn't do nearly enough research on the neighborhood where you would be staying and are trying to blame the rental owner for your own lapse.

This rental and the surrounding area are about normal for a city neighborhood and your review about not feeling safe was not relevent to that particular unit. Your review did not fit the guidelines for airBnB despite your protests and so they took it down. You should not rent when you travel, but should stay in hotels. Everyone would be much happier if you just made better choices.

What drugs are you on? I never gave an address for where I stayed, or identified the rental, so your claims are complete bullshit.

You described the area with some detail in the long thread you had deleted. South Philly, X blocks south of some landmark. When you posted that, I googled and found that we also stayed about 6 blocks south of that landmark, so I guessimated that we were within 5-8 blocks of where you described. You had several posts where you gave info about the neighborhood.

As I said you should just stick to hotels.

No, I did not. What landmark are you talking about?

You said the rental was in the area south of Rittenhouse Square. So I looked it up and we stayed about 6 blocks south there.

You misremember. I said the owner claimed Rittenhouse Square was a stone's throw away. In actuality, the airbnb was 1.5 miles from Rittenhouse Square. I agree-six blocks south of Rittenhouse Square is a safe neighborhood and I would be comfortable staying there. Completely different area from where this airbnb was unfortunately.

My definition of unsafe is as follows: vacant and derelict housing on block, multiple shootings in the past year within a 3 block radius.

If I were ever to rent from airbnb, I now know to google for shootings in the vicinity. I wouldn't think that is necessary, but I now know differently.

Did you ask the host for an actual distance from the square, rather than relying on the vague "close?" If you wanted to be within 6 blocks of the square, it was on you to make sure that was what you were getting.

I never said I wanted to be within 6 blocks of Rittenhouse Square. I said the owner misrepresented the location of the house as close to Rittenhouse Square.

A rental further away which was in a safe location , i.e. not plagued by gun violence and other crime, would have been fine.

I'm amazed that you keep trying to defend yourself. I can see exactly why airbnb removed your review that probably included vague references like your last sentence above.

Do you want not vague? There were multiple shootings within three blocks of this listing in the past year. That’s information I consider relevant, you do you.

2-3 shootings within three blocks. That is almost certainly true of most parts of Rittenhouse Square as well. Or any corridor of a major city.

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Anonymous wrote:I finally heard back from Airbnb. My review was removed because safety of the neighborhood is beyond a host’s control. Yes they actually put that in writing.

Do you disagree? Obviously lots of other people have stayed there and don’t feel “unsafe”. Whatever feelings you had were not the Airbnb hosts’ fault.

Is this a joke? If they have a policy of removing reviews about safety, then one has no way of knowing whether others felt safe there from reading the reviews because those reviews are removed.

Your fear for your safety was only your perception — you were never threatened or actually unsafe. I agree with the removal of your review. Truthfully you sound histrionic.

Next time instead of saying it is unsafe, try describing the surroundings — graffiti on buildings, open air drug market across the street, whatever. Be specific.

Agree with this. OP, I'm sorry but you are coming off like a really annoying Karen who is mad that Airbnb is not willing to keep up your review that was probably filled with racist and classist dog whistles. Next time, stay in a more expensive place in a nicer neighborhood. It isn't the Airbnb host's fault that you were being cheap or have desires beyond your budget.

As a single woman , I would definitely want to read this poster’s review (perception or not)!

NP who has been following thread. Same, I would want to read the OP’s review.

Sometimes feeling unsafe is just that - a feeling, that you shouldn’t dismiss, and that should not be invalidated by trolls or anyone else with insults and name calling.

If you feel unsafe, you feel unsafe. It doesn’t mean you are histrionic or a Karen or racist or classist.

People should be more alarmed that Airbnb removes reviews.
Of course we want to know what the surrounding area is like, and not just how fluffy the pillows are.

I'm sorry, but I disagree. In March, we went to Philadelphia for spring break for my kids. We stayed about 5-8 blocks from where OP said she booked in Center City and we drove through the South Philly area where OP was scared. I agree that the area might be unsafe for single females after dark, my wife said she would not feel safe walking alone. That said, it did not feel any less safe than many other city locales in virtually every major city in America. I think OP's comments in the original thread and her comments to airBnB were overly exaggerated and suggested that this shoudl be listed as one of the most dangerous neighborhoods in urban America. It was a very common inner city neighborhood where it is not recommended to walk at night. I also think that area was pretty typical of the entire South Philly area. I don't think it was particularly more or less dangerous than other parts of that neighborhood and region. If OP was a single female or a small group of females going to a concert, she should have done better research and not rented anywhere in that neighborhood.

So, I think that airBnB did the right thing. Her comment was about the neighborhood and not the individual listing. The neighborhood is what it is. Patrons like OP should not be renting in that area/neighborhood, but that's up to those customers to research the area and realize that South Philly and Center City were not appropriate places for one or a few females who were not comfortable with inner city living to rent. But it isn't about the individual listing and shouldn't be on the individual listing. Renters need to do a better job vetting the neighborhoods they want to rent in.

You drove through South Philly and that makes you an expert on a listing you know nothing about? There are many neighborhoods in South Philly that are substantially safer then the street where this listing was located.

Location is one of the primary factors guiding choice of accommodation which is why Airbnb does not exclude it as a review topic in its guidelines. The customer service rep made up a rationale for removing a negative review not supported by the company”s own guidelines. How about owners are honest and above board with respect to their listings.

Unlike you, we actually stayed 4 nights in that neighborhood. I was a few blocks from where you purported to be. I drove through the area where you felt threated and I walked several blocks in the neighborhood in the evenings, unlike you who walked in in the middle of the afternoon and felt threatened. I am not purporting to be an expert, but saying that you didn't do nearly enough research on the neighborhood where you would be staying and are trying to blame the rental owner for your own lapse.

This rental and the surrounding area are about normal for a city neighborhood and your review about not feeling safe was not relevent to that particular unit. Your review did not fit the guidelines for airBnB despite your protests and so they took it down. You should not rent when you travel, but should stay in hotels. Everyone would be much happier if you just made better choices.

What drugs are you on? I never gave an address for where I stayed, or identified the rental, so your claims are complete bullshit.

You described the area with some detail in the long thread you had deleted. South Philly, X blocks south of some landmark. When you posted that, I googled and found that we also stayed about 6 blocks south of that landmark, so I guessimated that we were within 5-8 blocks of where you described. You had several posts where you gave info about the neighborhood.

As I said you should just stick to hotels.

No, I did not. What landmark are you talking about?

You said the rental was in the area south of Rittenhouse Square. So I looked it up and we stayed about 6 blocks south there.

You misremember. I said the owner claimed Rittenhouse Square was a stone's throw away. In actuality, the airbnb was 1.5 miles from Rittenhouse Square. I agree-six blocks south of Rittenhouse Square is a safe neighborhood and I would be comfortable staying there. Completely different area from where this airbnb was unfortunately.

My definition of unsafe is as follows: vacant and derelict housing on block, multiple shootings in the past year within a 3 block radius.

If I were ever to rent from airbnb, I now know to google for shootings in the vicinity. I wouldn't think that is necessary, but I now know differently.

Did you ask the host for an actual distance from the square, rather than relying on the vague "close?" If you wanted to be within 6 blocks of the square, it was on you to make sure that was what you were getting.

I never said I wanted to be within 6 blocks of Rittenhouse Square. I said the owner misrepresented the location of the house as close to Rittenhouse Square.

A rental further away which was in a safe location , i.e. not plagued by gun violence and other crime, would have been fine.

You relied on a qualitative usage of close rather than looking at the approximate Airbnb location in coincidence with google maps. You could have easily determined the range of distances the rental was to rittenhouse or any other landmark for that matter.