Data Goldmine: YoY Enrollment Patterns by School
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Anonymous
Ask yourself how many people with a good middle school option go to BASIS. The biggest feeders are Watkins (17 kids) and Brent (a whopping 10). People with rights to Deal and Hardy and Stuart-Hobson, and feeders for DCI, don't choose BASIS in significant numbers. It's N<10 for CMI and TR despite really low performance middle schools. Is BASIS more appealing than Jefferson and EH? Sure, to some people. But from (for example) Maury's 4th grade class, <10 went to BASIS and 40 stuck with Maury, despite BASIS making offers to 65% of its applicants. Similar for Ludlow-Taylor. So call me unimpressed. But you're outclassing Jefferson and Cardozo, wowie wow wow! |
Anonymous
You're missing a big factor though -- location. We're a Deal-feeder family with a kid at Basis. It's a major PITA to get to and makes it really hard. We do it, because DC loves it, but I guarantee if it were in Tenlytown, there would be plenty of Deal kids who would consider it. I'm not saying it would attract everyone (it's a very specific school, for sure), but the fact that it's easy to get to from the Hill matters a lot. |
Anonymous
Can someone decode this please?? JOW, TR4, SH, L-T |
Anonymous
Watkins feeds to Stuart Hobson. |
Anonymous
JOW - J.O. Wilson TR4 - Two River's 4th St (they also have a campus further east by the golf course, Two Rivers Young) SH - Stuart Hobson L-T - Ludlow Taylor |
Anonymous
You seem to be missing the fact that it’s a lottery school that has a class size of 135. We know a ton of Brent and Maury families who lotteried and didn’t get in. |
Anonymous
Wow. Where to start. Hart Middle School Kelly Miller Middle School Sousa Middle School Brookland Middle School McKinley Middle School Does your opinion change when you are faced with "data" and not your baseless and unfounded beliefs? |
Anonymous
Now control for sibling preference. |
Anonymous
What counts as "really hard" depends a lot on how appealing the school is. Kids EOTR go that far all the time, because they don't have a better option. But since you brought it up, let's look at elementary schools near downtown, and those on the green line. BASIS was n<10 for Bruce-Monroe, Powell, Seaton, Thomson, and Tubman, for example. Nobody from Walker-Jones came to BASIS at all. Nobody from SWW@FS at all. *Even without a desirable high school*, people are choosing Stuart-Hobson over BASIS. Yes, the lottery makes it hard, but BASIS lets in 65% of its applicants and it isn't capturing anywhere near 65% of Stuart-Hobson feeder kids. Similarly, if you look just at schools near Red Line stops: Nobody from Janney. Nobody from Hearst. Eaton and Oyster-Adams are n<10. You get the idea. Even with an easy Red Line commute, it's not happening. |
Anonymous
I am not PP, but Watkins sent 56 kids to SH, so 17 to Basis is actually not that huge a number... It's just got big classes. I do think PP's point is valid, which is that Basis let 65% of kids who applied in, so if Basis was where everyone at these Hill schools actually wanted to go, you would see even bigger exoduses than you do/the admit rate would decrease quickly (as it has for Latin). |
Anonymous
I don't think 17 kids from Watkins going to BASIS is significant, considering that 51 Watkins 4th graders stayed at Watkins and 56 Watkins kids went to Stuart-Hobson after 5th. I don't care that it's a feeder, if BASIS were that appealing then it would be pulling a bigger slice of the Watkins class. I'm not sure how you calculated the rest of them. And if you're looking at absolute numbers rather than percentage capture rates, I don't think that's the right way to do it. |
Anonymous
This is such a dumb analysis. The two facts that refute your argument are 1) Basis has the highest PARCC scores in 9th grade of any public school in DC (including Walls, which supposedly selects the top students in DC) and 2) Basis has the highest average SAT score of any public school in DC (including Walls). Does that mean the Basis has the smartest cohort of students of any public school in DC? Or that Basis does the best job of educating kids of any public school in DC? Or both? Other facts that refute your argument: 1) Location matters. Lots of kids go from Capitol Hill because it is convenient. I am sure the Maury numbers are pretty close to 10 since there are a ton of Maury kids at Basis. 2) The numbers in the chart just reflect who went, not who applied. Lots of kids with rights to Deal, Hardy, and the schools you mentioned get rejected because they receive a bad lottery number. 3) Other than a big cluster at Capitol Hill, Basis kids are spread out all over DC. That is a good thing. So what that most of the numbers for individual elementary schools are <10?; there are only 135 kids who get in 5th grade at Basis and DC is a big area. Plus, there are more kids at Basis from the JR boundary than any other except for Eastern. 4) Because under its charter Basis has to admit under a 100% lottery system with no grade-level placement test, Basis generally only admits in 5th grade and doesn’t backfill. That means that they lose a lot of students due to natural attrition and kids who just can’t handle the advanced curriculum. As a result, Basis doesn’t want large numbers to apply and a high yield for 5th grade because that will hurt them in the long run; rather, they prefer to enroll really good and motivated students who will thrive at the school. That is why self-selection matters. No one cares how many kids apply every year to Basis or what the yield is because Basis wants to accept students who can handle an advanced curriculum; a lot of people just put down Basis as an "option" without really knowing much about the school. What matters to Basis is attracting and keeping top students. That is why testing numbers are important (see above) and your arguments are irrelevant. In fact, if 1000 kids applied to Basis for 5th grade every year and there was a 100% acceptance rate, that would be bad for the school. |
Anonymous
I assume you are PPP who just had their ignorance put on full display and this was the best you could do? My reply using ACTUAL DATA was in response you your idiotic post (incorrectly) concluding that families from SH, Deal, Hardy and JR don't send their kids to BASIS. The data illustrates very much the opposite and makes you look every bit the fool you are. Sibling preference would in no way undermine how wrong you were. You believed that people from those schools don't send their kids to BASIS - you were wrong. Why don't you go ahead and explain to us how sibling preference makes it any less so that kids from those school boundaries attend BASIS. We'll wait... P.S. BASIS also enrolled kids from DCB, LAMB, MV and Yu Ying this year. So you were wrong on that part too. |
Anonymous
+1. You nailed it. |
Anonymous
I don't know why you think the PARCC scores matter. My point is that a lot of people aren't choosing BASIS, and especially those with another middle school option are not choosing BASIS. I never asserted anything about PARCC scores. |