Liz Holmes Wants You to Forget About Elizabeth

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I'm glad the NYT has given me enough reason(s)to never bother with a subscription.

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WHO IS PAYING WILLIAMS & CONNELLY MILLIONS TO REP HER?

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Anonymous wrote:WHO IS PAYING WILLIAMS & CONNELLY MILLIONS TO REP HER?

Good question.

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Anonymous wrote:The only reason she had kids was her hope to delay/shorten the sentence. She is a psychopath.

Exactly. This was total manipulation and now two kids have to pay for it. No honest and sane person would have two kids in quick order when facing a lengthy sentence unless she was hoping people would take sympathy.

She should have more time added for this bs.

And this is why the U.S. is content to let children be shot en masse. The "she should have more time added" are just as devoid of a moral compass as any fraudster. Either getting off on human suffering or just missing any empathy chip. Really scary stuff.

What’s scary is that if she hadn’t gotten in trouble she’d still be shilling her faulty tests and allowing people to experience real world health effects so that she can pretend to be Steve Jobs. 12 years in jail is also 12 years of her being unable to scam and hurt people. Part of why we send people to jail is to protect the general population.

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Imagine if she was not caught before covid - the claims she would have tried to attempt!

Imagine if the CDC or NIH bought those claims. The amount of ammunition the anti-vax/anti-science crowd would have gotten would have derailed public health for a generation

but but but how unfair, sniff sniff, she's being separated from her precious baaaaabies. It's so unfaaaair. It was just a property crime that only affect really bad old white dudes. She didn't really do anything wrong. We're just a bunch of misogynistic meanies who don't see what an innocent rube she was in all of this.

Didn't a poster upthread say were were psychos for not being more concerned about her baaaaaabies and that the real injustice in all of this is that she is being separated from them?

I really hope your wife gets full custody. You shouldn’t be allowed around children.

I'm a woman. Are you her mom? You failed.

Btw. My kids are awesome and I'm a great mom.

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Anonymous wrote:WHO IS PAYING WILLIAMS & CONNELLY MILLIONS TO REP HER?

Her rich husband.

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Anonymous wrote:I did walk away from the piece with a lot of sympathy for her children and the cruelties of the American justice system in separating mothers from their children, it's wrong when it's poor women of color, and it's wrong when it's a privileged white women. And you can't have sympathy for children, maybe you are also a sociopath. She's also a rape victim who was clearly under the thumb of a much older, abusive dude. Again, if you can't have sympathy for that, maybe you are a sociopath. Should she go to prison? Yes. Should be separated from her children for 12 years? No. To me it is interesting that she never sold her shares. She didn't make any money. She went down with the ship. A true sociopath would be in the Caymans right now.

There is no evidence that Sunny was abusive. She literally was just trying the “blame the brown guy” defense. Everyone who worked with her said that she was running the show. This is part of her MO when she needs something she adopts a new persona and gets a new guy to help. Needs an early investor on a crap idea? Starts dating Sunny. Needs someone to pay her legal bills? Find this new dude who wouldn’t you know it is a trust fund baby. It’s part of the grift.

Or you are playing "drag the woman" -which is pretty much the oldest trick in the book. He was dating an 18 year old when he was 37 (and married) - so he's an ephebophilie - and the age and power differential is textbook set-up for, at minimum, emotional abuse. And there was third-testimony about the emotional abuse. Elizabeth also recounted physical and sexual abuse by him. So, yes, there was evidence of abuse at trial. She can be awful, but he's clearly a pervert, immoral, with very dirty hands.

And you're playing "drag the brown guy". Sunny might be shady but he's nowhere near as evil as Elizabeth.

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Anonymous wrote:I did walk away from the piece with a lot of sympathy for her children and the cruelties of the American justice system in separating mothers from their children, it's wrong when it's poor women of color, and it's wrong when it's a privileged white women. And you can't have sympathy for children, maybe you are also a sociopath. She's also a rape victim who was clearly under the thumb of a much older, abusive dude. Again, if you can't have sympathy for that, maybe you are a sociopath. Should she go to prison? Yes. Should be separated from her children for 12 years? No. To me it is interesting that she never sold her shares. She didn't make any money. She went down with the ship. A true sociopath would be in the Caymans right now.

What? The punishing force of incarceration is literally being separated from the things you love, from normal life. That's why it counts as punishment. I have sympathy for her babies but no one put a gun to her head to have them.

No. The point of incarceration is to rehabilitate. No civilized country in the world puts a woman in jail for a crime against property for 12 years in this matter. It's appalling when poor drug mules go to jail for 12 years and are separated from their children. It's appalling that we put people in prison (not immigration prisons, but actual prisons) for immigration violations and separate them from their children. Rapists and child molesters get less time in prison for a first offense. She may be an odious person and I wouldn't be friends with her, but her sentence is ridiculous.

I am opposed to our prison system, but as long as there are people who got years for dealing drugs and the felony murder rule, let's just let EH simmer.

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Anonymous wrote:How is this woman not in jail already?
Must be nice to be rich and white.

Last minute appeal that’s how.
Money buys you good lawyers to look for any errors in the sentencing.
The poor have to suck it up and do the time they were given

And wait until the last day of the deadline to file the appeal to get the maximum days out of jail.

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Anonymous wrote:What’s interesting is that the author fell for her. She knew it was all fake, but Holmes is one of those people who can captivate an audience

None of it is fake. People are complex, that's all. Elizabeth Holmes did her best to attract investments (Steve Jobs turtlenecks, etc), which was very business savvy. She then lied to investors and went entirely over the legal line. It doesn't mean she does not have a motherly side.

I find this entire discussion to be actually very demeaning to women in high-powered careers: they need to project a certain way at work. aThen they go home and enjoy a warmer aspect of their personality with their kids. It's entirely NORMAL.

But here this article, and this discussion, will associate such a dichotomy with criminality and possible psychopathy. It's incredibly damaging to working women to question why they behave differently at work than at home with their kids. Because essentially, this is what OP and the author are trying to do.
Have articles been written about males behaving differently at work and with their kids? Whether or not they are criminals? NO!

You can criticize this woman all you want for her crimes. But don't claim that just because you're seeing another side of her now, it's all put on and fake.

You seem confused. You can present professionally at work, climb the corporate ladder, and what have you, without being a pathological liar, committing fraud, and hurting innocent people. You can be a pathological liar and narcissist and also love your own children--this is the dichotomy of Liz Holmes.

No, I’m sorry, but you are wrong on this point. Ask anyone who was parented by a true narcissist- they are not capable of love. They do not love their children, their children are possessions to control and abuse and manipulate and exploit and throw away when they grow tired of it all. They make protestations of love but they are all empty and manipulative. All relationships are transactional.

Elizabeth Holmes does not love those children. Thank goodness they are going to have a decade free of her to develop their minds without the daily toxic abuse that a narcissistic mother inflicts. I hope their father chooses a better stepmother for them.

It’s pretty heinous to asset that she doesn’t love her children - do you love your children? Where’s the proof? See how easy it is to degrade your parental bond? Criminals are capable of love. It’s why we encourage visitation time during incarceration.

She had two babies knowing that she wouldn't be there for them from infancy though their teenage years, assuming that she ever gets visitation when she gets out. To me it's more knowing that this was her last chance to have children and making it happen

She had children as an attempt to stay out of prison. Full stop.

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Anonymous wrote:The only reason she had kids was her hope to delay/shorten the sentence. She is a psychopath.

Exactly. This was total manipulation and now two kids have to pay for it. No honest and sane person would have two kids in quick order when facing a lengthy sentence unless she was hoping people would take sympathy.

She should have more time added for this bs.

And this is why the U.S. is content to let children be shot en masse. The "she should have more time added" are just as devoid of a moral compass as any fraudster. Either getting off on human suffering or just missing any empathy chip. Really scary stuff.

What’s scary is that if she hadn’t gotten in trouble she’d still be shilling her faulty tests and allowing people to experience real world health effects so that she can pretend to be Steve Jobs. 12 years in jail is also 12 years of her being unable to scam and hurt people. Part of why we send people to jail is to protect the general population.

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Imagine if she was not caught before covid - the claims she would have tried to attempt!

Imagine if the CDC or NIH bought those claims. The amount of ammunition the anti-vax/anti-science crowd would have gotten would have derailed public health for a generation

but but but how unfair, sniff sniff, she's being separated from her precious baaaaabies. It's so unfaaaair. It was just a property crime that only affect really bad old white dudes. She didn't really do anything wrong. We're just a bunch of misogynistic meanies who don't see what an innocent rube she was in all of this.

Didn't a poster upthread say were were psychos for not being more concerned about her baaaaaabies and that the real injustice in all of this is that she is being separated from them?

I really hope your wife gets full custody. You shouldn’t be allowed around children.

I'm a woman. Are you her mom? You failed.

Btw. My kids are awesome and I'm a great mom.

Only a narcissist calls herself a great mom. Truly.

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Anonymous wrote:I did walk away from the piece with a lot of sympathy for her children and the cruelties of the American justice system in separating mothers from their children, it's wrong when it's poor women of color, and it's wrong when it's a privileged white women. And you can't have sympathy for children, maybe you are also a sociopath. She's also a rape victim who was clearly under the thumb of a much older, abusive dude. Again, if you can't have sympathy for that, maybe you are a sociopath. Should she go to prison? Yes. Should be separated from her children for 12 years? No. To me it is interesting that she never sold her shares. She didn't make any money. She went down with the ship. A true sociopath would be in the Caymans right now.

There is no evidence that Sunny was abusive. She literally was just trying the “blame the brown guy” defense. Everyone who worked with her said that she was running the show. This is part of her MO when she needs something she adopts a new persona and gets a new guy to help. Needs an early investor on a crap idea? Starts dating Sunny. Needs someone to pay her legal bills? Find this new dude who wouldn’t you know it is a trust fund baby. It’s part of the grift.

Or you are playing "drag the woman" -which is pretty much the oldest trick in the book. He was dating an 18 year old when he was 37 (and married) - so he's an ephebophilie - and the age and power differential is textbook set-up for, at minimum, emotional abuse. And there was third-testimony about the emotional abuse. Elizabeth also recounted physical and sexual abuse by him. So, yes, there was evidence of abuse at trial. She can be awful, but he's clearly a pervert, immoral, with very dirty hands.

And you're playing "drag the brown guy". Sunny might be shady but he's nowhere near as evil as Elizabeth.

He’s immoral and evil.

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Anonymous wrote:WHO IS PAYING WILLIAMS & CONNELLY MILLIONS TO REP HER?

Her rich husband.

Hence why it was a great time to get married. Kinda like avoiding jail was the perfect time to have kids.

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Anonymous wrote:The only reason she had kids was her hope to delay/shorten the sentence. She is a psychopath.

Exactly. This was total manipulation and now two kids have to pay for it. No honest and sane person would have two kids in quick order when facing a lengthy sentence unless she was hoping people would take sympathy.

She should have more time added for this bs.

And this is why the U.S. is content to let children be shot en masse. The "she should have more time added" are just as devoid of a moral compass as any fraudster. Either getting off on human suffering or just missing any empathy chip. Really scary stuff.

What’s scary is that if she hadn’t gotten in trouble she’d still be shilling her faulty tests and allowing people to experience real world health effects so that she can pretend to be Steve Jobs. 12 years in jail is also 12 years of her being unable to scam and hurt people. Part of why we send people to jail is to protect the general population.

x1000000

Imagine if she was not caught before covid - the claims she would have tried to attempt!

Imagine if the CDC or NIH bought those claims. The amount of ammunition the anti-vax/anti-science crowd would have gotten would have derailed public health for a generation

but but but how unfair, sniff sniff, she's being separated from her precious baaaaabies. It's so unfaaaair. It was just a property crime that only affect really bad old white dudes. She didn't really do anything wrong. We're just a bunch of misogynistic meanies who don't see what an innocent rube she was in all of this.

Didn't a poster upthread say were were psychos for not being more concerned about her baaaaaabies and that the real injustice in all of this is that she is being separated from them?

I really hope your wife gets full custody. You shouldn’t be allowed around children.

DP. But some woman who bullied her employee into killing himself and was willing to push faulty medical tests that would almost certainly result in more death should? Make that make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:+1 million to 12:14 who posted about the actual use of these wildly inaccurate blood tests which EH knew were faulty & still allowed to be used on real people. That is the difference here. I read Bad Blood, watched the Dropout, & have read a lot of coverage. EH is a bad person who is not just like a bunch of the blowhard tech bros -- she is WORSE because her blowhard tech persona resulted in real harm to people and she will not admit that. The reporter got snowed, the editor called it out, & the NYT should be ashamed to have published this whitewashing PR shill job.

and that poster who referred to this as a property crime needs to be shamed off of dcum.

Yes, but here in America she did not get convicted for any of that. Stealing money from rich people is what did her in.

She stole from people who bought those tests. Whether she was convicted or not referring to this as a property crime is disingenuous. Stop trying to make the heinous things she did all about rich people being upset. What you are doing is dishonest and manipulative.

I'm afraid you mis-read my intentions. I absolutely believe her major crime was doing real harm to people who were sick. Unfortunately, our system is not set up to effectively prosecute those crimes.
Thus, they convicted her for taking money from lazy, old rich people (who didn't perform their due diligence).

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Anonymous wrote:I did walk away from the piece with a lot of sympathy for her children and the cruelties of the American justice system in separating mothers from their children, it's wrong when it's poor women of color, and it's wrong when it's a privileged white women. And you can't have sympathy for children, maybe you are also a sociopath. She's also a rape victim who was clearly under the thumb of a much older, abusive dude. Again, if you can't have sympathy for that, maybe you are a sociopath. Should she go to prison? Yes. Should be separated from her children for 12 years? No. To me it is interesting that she never sold her shares. She didn't make any money. She went down with the ship. A true sociopath would be in the Caymans right now.

What? The punishing force of incarceration is literally being separated from the things you love, from normal life. That's why it counts as punishment. I have sympathy for her babies but no one put a gun to her head to have them.

No. The point of incarceration is to rehabilitate. No civilized country in the world puts a woman in jail for a crime against property for 12 years in this matter. It's appalling when poor drug mules go to jail for 12 years and are separated from their children. It's appalling that we put people in prison (not immigration prisons, but actual prisons) for immigration violations and separate them from their children. Rapists and child molesters get less time in prison for a first offense. She may be an odious person and I wouldn't be friends with her, but her sentence is ridiculous.

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She could have taken a plea and had a very reduced sentence. She chose to not admit any wrongdoing, blame it all on her colleagues, and claim personal persecution. She obviously doesn’t feel remorse and would start another company tomorrow likely using the same tactics. Yes people like that need to go to prison. She obviously needs a reality check.

She doesn't think she was guilty. The same people literally calling for her death are arguing that Adnan Syed is a hero for never admitting wrong-doing. People in this country are allowed to say they are not guilty - even if they are convicted. It's a fundamental right of our criminal justice system. Now, I think she was guilty, and I think she should go to prison. I also think her sentence is horrific. I think a teenage rape victim who drops out of college and loses herself in a predatory relationship and did bad things in tandem with others should have a punishment that fits the crime.

I personally think syed is guilty. But he was in prison for 20+ years which is not an uncommon sentence for someone who committed that type of crime. I don’t think anyone has a problem with her going to jail while maintaining her innocence like Adnan did lol. His trial also had a lot of issues despite his guilt. Comparing him, whose alcoholic lawyer was disbarred, to Elizabeth Holmes who is represented by one of the best litigation boutiques in the nation is…a choice.