Predictions for what happens when the SC bans affirmative action?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Black people are not losing any sleep about how the SC will rule; and we definitely not creating multiple posts about it. At one point we were denied an education! When we were allowed to get educated we could go to certain schools so HBCUs were created. We are a resilient people; whatever ever the decision, we will be fine.

Don't speak for everyone. A lot of black families have legacy at places like Harvard and they're likely to be at least moderately upset. Your average black American, certainly not.

Black people are fairly united on this one and yes even the Ivy grads like me.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Black people are not losing any sleep about how the SC will rule; and we definitely not creating multiple posts about it. At one point we were denied an education! When we were allowed to get educated we could go to certain schools so HBCUs were created. We are a resilient people; whatever ever the decision, we will be fine.

Don't speak for everyone. A lot of black families have legacy at places like Harvard and they're likely to be at least moderately upset. Your average black American, certainly not.

Legacy & sports recruiting aren’t going anywhere. Two SCOTUS judges have kids at their alma maters as legacies right now. Another SCOTUS judge has a child who is a junior in HS & actively pursuing being an athletic recruit to a top school.

Legacy isn't a sure thing though, especially with low SAT scores.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think many elite schools will go the University of Texas route instead of the University of California route and find other ways to build their classes that preserve or increase diversity and people who wanted "affirmative action" gone will be all butt hurt, like the parents who think their kids deserve TJ.

Admissions offices at elite schools are filled with people more like the ones in charge of admissions at UC than the ones in charge of admission at UT. I don't see your scenario as plausible. Maybe for MIT or something.

UT admissions policy is state law. UC admissions know how to get around affirmative action.

The colleges will play up strivers' score, and look at getting more minorities thru the essay process. They will also ask for photographs.
Kids will be mentioning race and how it impacted them in the essays. White and Asian kids will start dropping hints in the essays as well, just as they might now check mixed race or one of the minority boxes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Black people are not losing any sleep about how the SC will rule; and we definitely not creating multiple posts about it. At one point we were denied an education! When we were allowed to get educated we could go to certain schools so HBCUs were created. We are a resilient people; whatever ever the decision, we will be fine.

Don't speak for everyone. A lot of black families have legacy at places like Harvard and they're likely to be at least moderately upset. Your average black American, certainly not.

Legacy & sports recruiting aren’t going anywhere. Two SCOTUS judges have kids at their alma maters as legacies right now. Another SCOTUS judge has a child who is a junior in HS & actively pursuing being an athletic recruit to a top school.

Dropping legacy will come from the elite schools, doesn't matter what the judges want.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:white people will turn on Asians when their kids continue to get rejected. They’ll need a new scapegoat

+1 This is my fear as a Korean American. During covid ignorant people assumed my family was Chinese and it got scary sometimes.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Black people are not losing any sleep about how the SC will rule; and we definitely not creating multiple posts about it. At one point we were denied an education! When we were allowed to get educated we could go to certain schools so HBCUs were created. We are a resilient people; whatever ever the decision, we will be fine.

Don't speak for everyone. A lot of black families have legacy at places like Harvard and they're likely to be at least moderately upset. Your average black American, certainly not.

Legacy & sports recruiting aren’t going anywhere. Two SCOTUS judges have kids at their alma maters as legacies right now. Another SCOTUS judge has a child who is a junior in HS & actively pursuing being an athletic recruit to a top school.

Dropping legacy will come from the elite schools, doesn't matter what the judges want.

Athletic and legacy =$$$ No way will school drop either.

[Anonymous]

Chicago already planning for looting and teen takeovers in response to court’s ruling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The essay becomes more important. Essay questions will ask what type of adversity did you have to overcome. The minority answer will be the issues with being a minority. Student is selected not bc of race but because they overcame adversity.

+1

Every AA and Hispanic will pepper their essays talking about race and be admitted

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Black people are not losing any sleep about how the SC will rule; and we definitely not creating multiple posts about it. At one point we were denied an education! When we were allowed to get educated we could go to certain schools so HBCUs were created. We are a resilient people; whatever ever the decision, we will be fine.

Don't speak for everyone. A lot of black families have legacy at places like Harvard and they're likely to be at least moderately upset. Your average black American, certainly not.

I went to Harvard and my husband went to UPenn. Most black people who went to Ivies are not upset if our kids cannot go. Maybe a tiny minority. We have 3 children and while we won't pressure them to, we'd prefer they go to an HBCU. College is hard enough than to have to also deal with racism. We did it but we don't want them to have to do it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Black people are not losing any sleep about how the SC will rule; and we definitely not creating multiple posts about it. At one point we were denied an education! When we were allowed to get educated we could go to certain schools so HBCUs were created. We are a resilient people; whatever ever the decision, we will be fine.

Don't speak for everyone. A lot of black families have legacy at places like Harvard and they're likely to be at least moderately upset. Your average black American, certainly not.

That’s because the average black American doesn’t benefit from affirmative action. The wealthy blacks who already are doing well are the ones who benefit the most. That’s the problem with the system. Affirmative action is a bandaid. It makes it look like there is progress because the top institutions are 15% black. But the average black kid lives in a less affluent area and receives an inferior education. We need to focus on improving the education for these kids as well as adding support systems for them so that they can have upward mobility. Affirmative action being used to help children of wealthy black parents doesn’t do anything to improve social mobility.

Please name the top institution that is 15% black.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think it will vary. Some schools will be happy to just enroll the best students and other will drop aa in favor of economic diversity

You make it sound like wanting diversity is at odds with enrolling the best students. I find these assumptions to be suspect. Like the posters who define merit as whatever benefits them the most.

The way diversity is defined and implemented today, yes, it is absolutely at odds at enrolling the best students. There is such a huge skills gap between the average URM and non URM applicant, that there is a serious shortage of equivalently qualified URM applicants in the application pipeline. If a college insists on getting anything close to proportional representation despite this, then by definition they have to pick lower qualified URM students to fill their class. The only way to claim that diversity does not affect quality today, is to redefine the very meaning of the word merit to something nonsensical, like Harvard did by introducing spurious variables like the personality ratings into the mix.

Also in every country where diversity is actually present, it has led to destruction of social cohesion, social trust and increase in friction. The former Yugoslavia, Sri Lanka, Sudan, Myanmar being some examples) Diversity advocate have only recently recognized this because now they are insisting on "inclusion" as being another responsibility of the non URM pool. This is just code for non URM's having to walk on eggshells, so as not to trigger or piss off URM's on campus. It's a fool's errand. Human kind is tribal by nature and just like diversity brought strife all over the world, it is destroying America's campus environment today.

So what is your solution? Whine endlessly about it? Or have no diversity and every racial group sticks to themselves? It’s too late for that. This country is diverse and we’d better continue to figure out ways to get along and include everyone because diversity isn’t going anywhere.

Seems like AAs are the only group needing assistance. Look at the makeup of colleges in Texas. Unfortunately, AAs are still very much struggling in this country.

Maybe they should pick up a few tips from here about how and why certain immigrant communities succeed, instead of constantly whining about how pervasive systemic racism in America is? If America is that bad, how come all these newcomers are leaving native born blacks and whites in the dust? Simple. It's all about cultural capital, a term that's taboo in leftist circles

httphttps://youtu.be/-eMLAFV4cx8be/-eMLAFV4cx8

Yeah but none of them ever dealing with systematic oppression by the whites.

Because wait for it...... THERE IS NONE. Only lazy race huksters point to systemic racism as THE REASON, THEY ARE NOT MAKING PROGRESS. Because if America was systemically racist, you think Nigerian and Ghanaian immigrants would succeed here? Vietnamese refugees would succeed here? A person like Ilhan Omar would be in Congress?

So disgustingly racist.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Black people are not losing any sleep about how the SC will rule; and we definitely not creating multiple posts about it. At one point we were denied an education! When we were allowed to get educated we could go to certain schools so HBCUs were created. We are a resilient people; whatever ever the decision, we will be fine.

Don't speak for everyone. A lot of black families have legacy at places like Harvard and they're likely to be at least moderately upset. Your average black American, certainly not.

That’s because the average black American doesn’t benefit from affirmative action. The wealthy blacks who already are doing well are the ones who benefit the most. That’s the problem with the system. Affirmative action is a bandaid. It makes it look like there is progress because the top institutions are 15% black. But the average black kid lives in a less affluent area and receives an inferior education. We need to focus on improving the education for these kids as well as adding support systems for them so that they can have upward mobility. Affirmative action being used to help children of wealthy black parents doesn’t do anything to improve social mobility.

Please name the top institution that is 15% black.

Harvard

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Black people are not losing any sleep about how the SC will rule; and we definitely not creating multiple posts about it. At one point we were denied an education! When we were allowed to get educated we could go to certain schools so HBCUs were created. We are a resilient people; whatever ever the decision, we will be fine.

Don't speak for everyone. A lot of black families have legacy at places like Harvard and they're likely to be at least moderately upset. Your average black American, certainly not.

That’s because the average black American doesn’t benefit from affirmative action. The wealthy blacks who already are doing well are the ones who benefit the most. That’s the problem with the system. Affirmative action is a bandaid. It makes it look like there is progress because the top institutions are 15% black. But the average black kid lives in a less affluent area and receives an inferior education. We need to focus on improving the education for these kids as well as adding support systems for them so that they can have upward mobility. Affirmative action being used to help children of wealthy black parents doesn’t do anything to improve social mobility.

Please name the top institution that is 15% black.

The Supreme Court.

[Anonymous]

Economic diversity will be pushed. As it should be. Every AA I have known who has gone to HYP is from an upper class, HHI family. To a lesser extent, but still great extent, the Hispanic and even Asian kids going to the elite schools all come from solid middle if not upper class families. The Cuban and Puerto Rican families I've known who have sent their kids to HYP are about as elite as I can fathom, or at least from professional (law firm partner, surgeon, etc.). Let's dispense with this racial diversity fixation, and focus on what will really make a difference and be entirely fair in the process -- economic diversity.

[Anonymous]

So in a nutshell, the beneficiaries of systemic and systematic privilege for 400 years are pissed rich POC have caught up with then in socioeconomic standing and they are getting a little bit of privilege themselves. Got it!

as a Black parent, I'm totally very much interested in seeing how this plays out and to see who the mainly conservative anti-Black people on DCUM will react to the fact that their kids still won't be guaranteed a spot in the Ivys.

not bc some Black kid took their spot but bc TO will still flood the pool with TOO MANY candidates continuing to make it a total CRAP SHOOT it is now !