Howard and Anne Arundel delays high school start time to healthier times. Will MCPS follow?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm in AACPS. Literally every concern/issue/complaint in this thread about why it "can't" happen in MoCo was raised in AACPS as well.

The busses did, indeed, end up being a bit of a fiasco this year, but it sounds like that's been an across-the-board issue with the lack of bus drivers, just slightly exacerbated by the new start times.

The rest of the issue work themselves out.
Sure, some families relied on the high school kids to pick up the elementary school kids, and so now they need after care. But you also had a bunch of families who no longer need morning care, because their high school kid can get the elem kid to school, or the parents can now take them on their way to work. And of course After care for elem kids shifted their times.

Extra curriculars shifted their times - some are now before school and some are just a little later.

It's too soon to see if it makes any direct difference in student achievement, but after a TON of hand wringing over the last year and a half, people have now basically adjusted and everything is fine - and the teenagers are getting more sleep.

Why would people think teenagers need more sleep than ES kids?

The science is clear that the natural circadian rhythm for teens is later than for ES kids or adults.

Here's just one:

"Early start time was associated with significant sleep deprivation and daytime sleepiness. The occurrence of REM sleep on MSLT indicates that clinicians should exercise caution in interpreting MSLT REM sleep in adolescents evaluated on their “usual” schedules. Psychosocial influences and changes in bioregulatory systems controlling sleep may limit teenagers' capacities to make adequate adjustments to an early school schedule."
https://academic.oup.com/sleep/article/21/8/871/2726004

But HS need 8-9 hours

A kindergarten kid needs 11 hours

And kindergarteners have no problem going to bed at 8pm. No teenager is going to be able to do that.

Don’t you get it? They need 3 more hours of sleep! Going to bed at 8 pm is like going to bed at 11 pm for teenagers. My first grader has trouble going to bed at 8pm and often delay to 9ish and getting up at 8 am is hard for him. Every morning I struggle with getting him up to catch a bus at 8:30 am.

This sounds like a parenting issue and the rest of the county should not have to adjust because you cannot get your kid up and ready for school. You could also drive him.

What are you talking about? There is no adjustment needed to keep the current schedule. But swapping ES and HS start time makes the the whole county adjust their schedule. Seems you have reading issues.

No, it doesn't make sense to swap the times. HS kids have homework, ES rarely do or very little. HS kids have sports, activities, volunteer jobs, drivers ed, employment, have to babysit younger kids, and many other things after school. Pushing the time back will only push the schedule back and they will just go to bed later. You seem to have logic issues.

You need to read my post again. I’m against swapping time. Stop attacking without reading.

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Anonymous wrote:8 and 8:30 am. I know MCPS delayed to 7:45 several years ago. But is that enough?

They already went over this and the problem is that changing high school times would negatively impact elementary and middle school times

Blah blah blah.I spent years and years waiting for elementary school to start at 9:25. My kids would get up at 6:30 and there almost 3 hours til school started. Send those kids to school earlier!

Seriously. If they are concerned about health, the High School and elementary school start times should be flipped.

You don't want early elementary students waiting in the dark for the bus. Doesn't matter if you start high school at 7:30am or 11:30am, kids will be tired and the kids that are late will still be late. Also starting high school earlier allows for more options for extracurriculars and for them to work part time jobs. Suck it up, drink some caffeine and go to school.

But I only care about my kid who is in HS. I don't really care about your ES being tired and kid waiting in the dark.

Not all ES kids wake up early. And, that parent could drive their kid in ES or HS.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course, there are pros and cons in every scenario. You need to get your priorities straight. If you are mostly concerned about teenage health, depression, etc you can make starting HS later a priority and work around that. If not, then no point to discuss.

+100000

BOE does not care even a bit about mental health of teens. It's a pointless discussion.

Anyone caring about teens mental heath would have flipped it long time back like some counties have done.

Mental health is not the BOE's problem. It's a parenting problem. I care about my child's mental health and they already have a full schedule and pushing start time back means they cannot do things they'd enjoy. Clearly you care more about your needs than other kids needs who may be different from yours. If your kids have mental health issues, get them therapist.

I am a mental health professional with kids in ES, lol.

Try to educate yourself a bit about how teens sleep cycles are different.

I am educated in it as well. Maybe if you were a better mental health professional these kids wouldn't have these issues. It would be a disaster for my kid. Teens need to be prepared for the real world. Making a later start time will just have them go to bed later. My kid has sports at 3:45 for an hour an a half. So, by the time they do that and homework, eat, and some days another activity its easily 11 PM before everything is done, sometimes midnight. Pushing it back would make them go to bed an hour or two later or have to get up even earlier to do their schoolwork so the suggestion makes not sense except for maybe someone like you who doesn't value sports, work, extra curricular activities.

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Anonymous wrote:Of course, there are pros and cons in every scenario. You need to get your priorities straight. If you are mostly concerned about teenage health, depression, etc you can make starting HS later a priority and work around that. If not, then no point to discuss.

+100000

BOE does not care even a bit about mental health of teens. It's a pointless discussion.

Anyone caring about teens mental heath would have flipped it long time back like some counties have done.

Mental health is not the BOE's problem. It's a parenting problem. I care about my child's mental health and they already have a full schedule and pushing start time back means they cannot do things they'd enjoy. Clearly you care more about your needs than other kids needs who may be different from yours. If your kids have mental health issues, get them therapist.

I am a mental health professional with kids in ES, lol.

Try to educate yourself a bit about how teens sleep cycles are different.

I am educated in it as well. Maybe if you were a better mental health professional these kids wouldn't have these issues. It would be a disaster for my kid. Teens need to be prepared for the real world. Making a later start time will just have them go to bed later. My kid has sports at 3:45 for an hour an a half. So, by the time they do that and homework, eat, and some days another activity its easily 11 PM before everything is done, sometimes midnight. Pushing it back would make them go to bed an hour or two later or have to get up even earlier to do their schoolwork so the suggestion makes not sense except for maybe someone like you who doesn't value sports, work, extra curricular activities.

Ya it wouldn't really make any real difference to most HS kids and mostly harm to families with younger children.

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Anonymous wrote:8 and 8:30 am. I know MCPS delayed to 7:45 several years ago. But is that enough?

They already went over this and the problem is that changing high school times would negatively impact elementary and middle school times

I thought the problem was that there was a significant number of families who depend on high school and middle school kids being dismissed before elementary kids so they can watch younger siblings, and that’s why they can’t switch high school and elementary start times.

This is a myth. Makes no sense at all.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8 and 8:30 am. I know MCPS delayed to 7:45 several years ago. But is that enough?

They already went over this and the problem is that changing high school times would negatively impact elementary and middle school times

I thought the problem was that there was a significant number of families who depend on high school and middle school kids being dismissed before elementary kids so they can watch younger siblings, and that’s why they can’t switch high school and elementary start times.

This is a myth. Makes no sense at all.

When was the last time you were at a Title 1 elementary school at dismissal? Never?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8 and 8:30 am. I know MCPS delayed to 7:45 several years ago. But is that enough?

They already went over this and the problem is that changing high school times would negatively impact elementary and middle school times

I thought the problem was that there was a significant number of families who depend on high school and middle school kids being dismissed before elementary kids so they can watch younger siblings, and that’s why they can’t switch high school and elementary start times.

This is a myth. Makes no sense at all.

It's a "myth"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8 and 8:30 am. I know MCPS delayed to 7:45 several years ago. But is that enough?

They already went over this and the problem is that changing high school times would negatively impact elementary and middle school times

I thought the problem was that there was a significant number of families who depend on high school and middle school kids being dismissed before elementary kids so they can watch younger siblings, and that’s why they can’t switch high school and elementary start times.

This is a myth. Makes no sense at all.

How is this a myth? It is accurate all across the country.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8 and 8:30 am. I know MCPS delayed to 7:45 several years ago. But is that enough?

They already went over this and the problem is that changing high school times would negatively impact elementary and middle school times

I thought the problem was that there was a significant number of families who depend on high school and middle school kids being dismissed before elementary kids so they can watch younger siblings, and that’s why they can’t switch high school and elementary start times.

This is a myth. Makes no sense at all.

How is this a myth? It is accurate all across the country.

In my neighborhood, everyone has a nanny and nobody relies on siblings to provide childcare.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is too big. Changing times is too hard and disruptive. Plus sports, how on earth could the kids practice? There's a reason our teams do better than the districts with late start times.

Oh dear! Let’s get all the kids up early because sports.

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Anonymous wrote:MCPS is too big. Changing times is too hard and disruptive. Plus sports, how on earth could the kids practice? There's a reason our teams do better than the districts with late start times.

Oh dear! Let’s get all the kids up early because sports.

Let’s move the school day later as parents refuse to enforce school times. Not all sports are school related.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8 and 8:30 am. I know MCPS delayed to 7:45 several years ago. But is that enough?

They already went over this and the problem is that changing high school times would negatively impact elementary and middle school times

I thought the problem was that there was a significant number of families who depend on high school and middle school kids being dismissed before elementary kids so they can watch younger siblings, and that’s why they can’t switch high school and elementary start times.

This is a myth. Makes no sense at all.

How is this a myth? It is accurate all across the country.

In my neighborhood, everyone has a nanny and nobody relies on siblings to provide childcare.

That’s rich but you need to get out out your rich bubble.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:8 and 8:30 am. I know MCPS delayed to 7:45 several years ago. But is that enough?

They already went over this and the problem is that changing high school times would negatively impact elementary and middle school times

I thought the problem was that there was a significant number of families who depend on high school and middle school kids being dismissed before elementary kids so they can watch younger siblings, and that’s why they can’t switch high school and elementary start times.

This is a myth. Makes no sense at all.

How is this a myth? It is accurate all across the country.

In my neighborhood, everyone has a nanny and nobody relies on siblings to provide childcare.

ROFL

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course, there are pros and cons in every scenario. You need to get your priorities straight. If you are mostly concerned about teenage health, depression, etc you can make starting HS later a priority and work around that. If not, then no point to discuss.

+100000

BOE does not care even a bit about mental health of teens. It's a pointless discussion.

Anyone caring about teens mental heath would have flipped it long time back like some counties have done.

Mental health is not the BOE's problem. It's a parenting problem. I care about my child's mental health and they already have a full schedule and pushing start time back means they cannot do things they'd enjoy. Clearly you care more about your needs than other kids needs who may be different from yours. If your kids have mental health issues, get them therapist.

I am a mental health professional with kids in ES, lol.

Try to educate yourself a bit about how teens sleep cycles are different.

They’ll manage, just like millions of teenagers have done before them and millions will manage after them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Of course, there are pros and cons in every scenario. You need to get your priorities straight. If you are mostly concerned about teenage health, depression, etc you can make starting HS later a priority and work around that. If not, then no point to discuss.

+100000

BOE does not care even a bit about mental health of teens. It's a pointless discussion.

Anyone caring about teens mental heath would have flipped it long time back like some counties have done.

Mental health is not the BOE's problem. It's a parenting problem. I care about my child's mental health and they already have a full schedule and pushing start time back means they cannot do things they'd enjoy. Clearly you care more about your needs than other kids needs who may be different from yours. If your kids have mental health issues, get them therapist.

I am a mental health professional with kids in ES, lol.

Try to educate yourself a bit about how teens sleep cycles are different.

They’ll manage, just like millions of teenagers have done before them and millions will manage after them.

Yep, all children need sleep, not just teens.