JMU decisions out

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Anonymous wrote:When JMU began using the Common App, they began to more vigorously waitlist or reject students that are high performing but JMU was 99.9% sure wouldn't come. So if your highly-qualified student didn't get in, they may be guessing that they weren't going to enroll anyway.

How would they know you and your kid's desires so well?

This is the same debunked theory of "yield protection" that was in the VT thread. It's just not a real thing.

-1 It's not debunked. They use AI-based enrollment management software that makes these predictions. There's a lot of controversy around it written up all over higher ed journals and other news outlets. VT uses this software, I don't know if JMU does.

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Anonymous wrote:3.3 gpa from highly rigorous DC private, 28 ACT. Waitlisted. Completely shocked. This is nonsense. So mad right now.

I'm sorry. I'm also kind of surprised that your dc from a rigorous private got a 28 ACT with a good private school GPA!

28 is the 90th percentile for all test takers. JMU range for 50th is 24-29. It’s a strong score for JMU.

Especially since only 26% of JMU applicants submit scores! It's range is tilted upwards because 3/4 of the students with likely lower end of scores don't submit.

It doesn’t work like that.

The 75% score at VCU is a 1260; not sending in a 1400+ is crazy.

You think kids with scores well above the 75% are deciding not to send them? Kids who go TO are almost always kids whose scores are or would have been generally at the average/lower end of the scores range.

Absolutely. My DDs too choice is VCU and she and her friends did not send in their 1400+ scores at the advice of counselor.

What was the counselor's reasoning for this?

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Anonymous wrote:3.3 gpa from highly rigorous DC private, 28 ACT. Waitlisted. Completely shocked. This is nonsense. So mad right now.

I'm sorry. I'm also kind of surprised that your dc from a rigorous private got a 28 ACT with a good private school GPA!

28 is the 90th percentile for all test takers. JMU range for 50th is 24-29. It’s a strong score for JMU.

Especially since only 26% of JMU applicants submit scores! It's range is tilted upwards because 3/4 of the students with likely lower end of scores don't submit.

It doesn’t work like that.

You think kids with scores well above the 75% are deciding not to send them? Kids who go TO are almost always kids whose scores are or would have been generally at the average/lower end of the scores range.

Absolutely. My DDs too choice is VCU and she and her friends did not send in their 1400+ scores at the advice of counselor.

What was the counselor's reasoning for this?

The 75% score at VCU is a 1260; not sending in a 1400+ is crazy.

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Anonymous wrote:3.3 gpa from highly rigorous DC private, 28 ACT. Waitlisted. Completely shocked. This is nonsense. So mad right now.

I'm sorry. I'm also kind of surprised that your dc from a rigorous private got a 28 ACT with a good private school GPA!

28 is the 90th percentile for all test takers. JMU range for 50th is 24-29. It’s a strong score for JMU.

Especially since only 26% of JMU applicants submit scores! It's range is tilted upwards because 3/4 of the students with likely lower end of scores don't submit.

It doesn’t work like that.

You think kids with scores well above the 75% are deciding not to send them? Kids who go TO are almost always kids whose scores are or would have been generally at the average/lower end of the scores range.

Absolutely. My DDs too choice is VCU and she and her friends did not send in their 1400+ scores at the advice of counselor.

-1 Your anecdote aside, the data on this is crystal clear. When schools go test optional the students that tend to submit SAT scores are those who are on the higher side of the range.

Wrong. No less a derivative assumption than the anecdote. No dog in the fight.

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Anonymous wrote:3.3 gpa from highly rigorous DC private, 28 ACT. Waitlisted. Completely shocked. This is nonsense. So mad right now.

I'm sorry. I'm also kind of surprised that your dc from a rigorous private got a 28 ACT with a good private school GPA!

28 is the 90th percentile for all test takers. JMU range for 50th is 24-29. It’s a strong score for JMU.

Especially since only 26% of JMU applicants submit scores! It's range is tilted upwards because 3/4 of the students with likely lower end of scores don't submit.

It doesn’t work like that.

You think kids with scores well above the 75% are deciding not to send them? Kids who go TO are almost always kids whose scores are or would have been generally at the average/lower end of the scores range.

Absolutely. My DDs too choice is VCU and she and her friends did not send in their 1400+ scores at the advice of counselor.

What was the counselor's reasoning for this?

The 75% score at VCU is a 1260; not sending in a 1400+ is crazy.

The Counselor said class rank was super high and that not submitting would indicate more likely to attend. Agree it sounded sus.

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Anonymous wrote:3.3 gpa from highly rigorous DC private, 28 ACT. Waitlisted. Completely shocked. This is nonsense. So mad right now.

I'm sorry. I'm also kind of surprised that your dc from a rigorous private got a 28 ACT with a good private school GPA!

28 is the 90th percentile for all test takers. JMU range for 50th is 24-29. It’s a strong score for JMU.

Especially since only 26% of JMU applicants submit scores! It's range is tilted upwards because 3/4 of the students with likely lower end of scores don't submit.

It doesn’t work like that.

You think kids with scores well above the 75% are deciding not to send them? Kids who go TO are almost always kids whose scores are or would have been generally at the average/lower end of the scores range.

Absolutely. My DDs too choice is VCU and she and her friends did not send in their 1400+ scores at the advice of counselor.

-1 Your anecdote aside, the data on this is crystal clear. When schools go test optional the students that tend to submit SAT scores are those who are on the higher side of the range.

Wrong. No less a derivative assumption than the anecdote. No dog in the fight.

A quick google scholar search shows fairly decent evidence on analyses of this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When JMU began using the Common App, they began to more vigorously waitlist or reject students that are high performing but JMU was 99.9% sure wouldn't come. So if your highly-qualified student didn't get in, they may be guessing that they weren't going to enroll anyway.

How would they know you and your kid's desires so well?

This is the same debunked theory of "yield protection" that was in the VT thread. It's just not a real thing.

Not debunked.

Keep dreaming

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Anonymous wrote:1370 SAT, 3.3 GPA DS - waitlisted [/quote

Are you OOS?

No. In state.

I think JMU simply uses a GPA cutoff and ignores everything else.

How did my OOS 2.85 gpa kid get in two years ago and now my 3.2 younger sibling didn't? This stinks.

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Does JMU reject anybody, or just accept and WL?

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Anonymous wrote:3.3 gpa from highly rigorous DC private, 28 ACT. Waitlisted. Completely shocked. This is nonsense. So mad right now.

I'm sorry. I'm also kind of surprised that your dc from a rigorous private got a 28 ACT with a good private school GPA!

28 is the 90th percentile for all test takers. JMU range for 50th is 24-29. It’s a strong score for JMU.

Especially since only 26% of JMU applicants submit scores! It's range is tilted upwards because 3/4 of the students with likely lower end of scores don't submit.

It doesn’t work like that.

You think kids with scores well above the 75% are deciding not to send them? Kids who go TO are almost always kids whose scores are or would have been generally at the average/lower end of the scores range.

Absolutely. My DDs too choice is VCU and she and her friends did not send in their 1400+ scores at the advice of counselor.

What was the counselor's reasoning for this?

The 75% score at VCU is a 1260; not sending in a 1400+ is crazy.

The Counselor said class rank was super high and that not submitting would indicate more likely to attend. Agree it sounded sus.

Interesting. Sounds like your counselor was worried about your kid being overqualified and getting rejected because of that?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:When JMU began using the Common App, they began to more vigorously waitlist or reject students that are high performing but JMU was 99.9% sure wouldn't come. So if your highly-qualified student didn't get in, they may be guessing that they weren't going to enroll anyway.

How would they know you and your kid's desires so well?

This is the same debunked theory of "yield protection" that was in the VT thread. It's just not a real thing.

Not debunked.

Keep dreaming

Evidence?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:When JMU began using the Common App, they began to more vigorously waitlist or reject students that are high performing but JMU was 99.9% sure wouldn't come. So if your highly-qualified student didn't get in, they may be guessing that they weren't going to enroll anyway.

How would they know you and your kid's desires so well?

This is the same debunked theory of "yield protection" that was in the VT thread. It's just not a real thing.

Not debunked.

Keep dreaming

Evidence?

Is there evidence of Bigfoot?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:1370 SAT, 3.3 GPA DS - waitlisted [/quote

Are you OOS?

No. In state.

I think JMU simply uses a GPA cutoff and ignores everything else.

How did my OOS 2.85 gpa kid get in two years ago and now my 3.2 younger sibling didn't? This stinks.

No way did your OOS 2.85 get in or they are just wanting your OOS money. Ridiculous. My 3.7 didn't get in this year.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:1370 SAT, 3.3 GPA DS - waitlisted [/quote

Are you OOS?

No. In state.

I think JMU simply uses a GPA cutoff and ignores everything else.

How did my OOS 2.85 gpa kid get in two years ago and now my 3.2 younger sibling didn't? This stinks.

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DP. I don't believe this for a minute.

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Anonymous wrote:So much of this could be avoided if JMU would just institute ED. Then those for whom the school is their top choice could show their commitment by EDing. It would save a TON of effort all around.

I have a Duke. Talked to their AO last year at Choices and he said they absolutely would not be instituting ED anytime soon.

Last year they made use of the WL into late July, maybe later. Neighbor got in last week of July. Got the dregs of housing, but he's thrilled to be there!

My Duke has friends from all over the Mid-Atlantic (TONS of NJ) and even Chicago, FL, Boston suburbs and Washington State. It's definitely growing in popularity and common app for sure has had an impact.

PP here. Totally agree. I’m a Duke parent too. We know of so many kids for whom JMU is their first choice. Just seems like it would benefit both JMU and students if they could express that preference in a concrete way.

Wouldn't that be ED?

Still, I agree with you. Our rising Senior DC has JMU as their top Virginia school and is only applying to three total (against the school counselor's advice). Realistically, I can't see the top OOS/Private coming up with enough money to compete and the other OOS is considered a safety with online/defined non-need merit predefined. DC will be unhooked with decently stats 4.0U/4.6 W with the SAT still to go so we remain hopeful for next year.

Yes - that's what I was saying (I'm also the bolded poster at the top). JMU really needs to institute ED for those kids. EA doesn't commit anyone, and for those who would *like* to commit, ED would be the way to go.