Is Yale losing its luster?

[Anonymous]

HYP will always be known as HYP. While there are plenty of other top caliber universities-Stanford, MIT etc, HYP are still the top 3 Ivies in the general public’s mind and still considered world class for many programs. No place can be top in every program.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:HYP will always be known as HYP. While there are plenty of other top caliber universities-Stanford, MIT etc, HYP are still the top 3 Ivies in the general public’s mind and still considered world class for many programs. No place can be top in every program.

Can anyone name a top 5 program at Yale outside of history, political science, and drama? That’s extremely weak for a school grouped with HPSM. Academically Yale is absolutely not up to par with the rest in that grouping. Outside of having a long history and a larger endowment, how is Yale better overall than say Columbia, UPENN, Duke for academic programs? HPSM on the other hand are clearly a step above the rest academically, Caltech too.

[Anonymous]

MIT would crush plenty of hyps students. It's not for everyone and that is ok

[Anonymous]

Didn't Yale fire an RA over a Halloween costume?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What’s changing is the public’s view of who gets admitted to elite schools, like Yale. There is a growing sense that these schools are NOT getting the best students. I think such schools are going to totally change how they’re admitting kids. I’m betting that meaningful interviews will become a bigger part of future admissions. Basically, elite schools have to find better ways to cut through the facade of achievement. Another great option could be a proctored essay. Essentially, colleges need to see students unvarnished.

+1. My kids go to a top private and none of their classmates who got in did so on their own merit. They were heavily coaches, tutored, consultants “revised and edited” their essays, and almost always both parents were alums.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Didn't Yale fire an RA over a Halloween costume?

Is this about not being able to wear blackface anymore or root for the redskins? You poor thing. How will you go on

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:HYP will always be known as HYP. While there are plenty of other top caliber universities-Stanford, MIT etc, HYP are still the top 3 Ivies in the general public’s mind and still considered world class for many programs. No place can be top in every program.

Can anyone name a top 5 program at Yale outside of history, political science, and drama? That’s extremely weak for a school grouped with HPSM. Academically Yale is absolutely not up to par with the rest in that grouping. Outside of having a long history and a larger endowment, how is Yale better overall than say Columbia, UPENN, Duke for academic programs? HPSM on the other hand are clearly a step above the rest academically, Caltech too.

Well according to Niche they are top 5 in the following: Anthropology , sociology, architecture, art, biology, economics, English (6th), environmental science, film, foreign language, global affairs/international relations, history , math, philosophy, physics, psychology, religious studies. I’d say they’re holding their own with their peers.
Where they have not stood out in this STEM obsessed time we’re in is the hard sciences. But they’re pouring a lot of money into those departments right now. The kid I know who chose Yale over Caltech is super happy with his education and research opportunities. As to how they compare to Penn etc- who cares? These are all great schools. But they are only schools, not the promised land. What one does in the world with a degree is so much more important than the “ status” of the school and there are a million metrics for that anyway.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:HYP will always be known as HYP. While there are plenty of other top caliber universities-Stanford, MIT etc, HYP are still the top 3 Ivies in the general public’s mind and still considered world class for many programs. No place can be top in every program.

Can anyone name a top 5 program at Yale outside of history, political science, and drama? That’s extremely weak for a school grouped with HPSM. Academically Yale is absolutely not up to par with the rest in that grouping. Outside of having a long history and a larger endowment, how is Yale better overall than say Columbia, UPENN, Duke for academic programs? HPSM on the other hand are clearly a step above the rest academically, Caltech too.

Well according to Niche they are top 5 in the following: Anthropology , sociology, architecture, art, biology, economics, English (6th), environmental science, film, foreign language, global affairs/international relations, history , math, philosophy, physics, psychology, religious studies. I’d say they’re holding their own with their peers.
Where they have not stood out in this STEM obsessed time we’re in is the hard sciences. But they’re pouring a lot of money into those departments right now. The kid I know who chose Yale over Caltech is super happy with his education and research opportunities. As to how they compare to Penn etc- who cares? These are all great schools. But they are only schools, not the promised land. What one does in the world with a degree is so much more important than the “ status” of the school and there are a million metrics for that anyway.

Niche isn’t the best for subject rankings. Yale is 100% not top 5 in math - that would be Princeton, Harvard, MIT, Berkeley, CMU for undergrad, with Yale not being particularly close. It’s also not Top 5 in biology - John’s Hopkins, Harvard, MIT, Duke, and Stanford are all better for biology. Putting Yale in top 5 for physics is also a joke when you have Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Princeton, and Stanford being light years ahead. Economics is closer but Yale still isn’t as good as Harvard, Princeton, MIT, UChicago, or Stanford for econ. I would believe the history/sociology type placements, the humanities are definitely Yale’s strength.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Yale fire an RA over a Halloween costume?

Is this about not being able to wear blackface anymore or root for the redskins? You poor thing. How will you go on

NP. Not at all. Google it.

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Anonymous wrote:It just doesn’t seem to have the cachet it once had.

Not according to the number of early action applications. This year was second highest number of applicants. But go on with your gut feeling, OP.
https://yaledailynews.com/blog/2022/11/10/yale-receives-7777-early-action-applications/

Number of applicants is a useless metric with how easy it is to apply now.

It is not easy to apply to the top schools. They all have supplemental parts to the common app. I think DD wrote 9 essays for MIT?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:HYP will always be known as HYP. While there are plenty of other top caliber universities-Stanford, MIT etc, HYP are still the top 3 Ivies in the general public’s mind and still considered world class for many programs. No place can be top in every program.

Can anyone name a top 5 program at Yale outside of history, political science, and drama? That’s extremely weak for a school grouped with HPSM. Academically Yale is absolutely not up to par with the rest in that grouping. Outside of having a long history and a larger endowment, how is Yale better overall than say Columbia, UPENN, Duke for academic programs? HPSM on the other hand are clearly a step above the rest academically, Caltech too.

Well according to Niche they are top 5 in the following: Anthropology , sociology, architecture, art, biology, economics, English (6th), environmental science, film, foreign language, global affairs/international relations, history , math, philosophy, physics, psychology, religious studies. I’d say they’re holding their own with their peers.
Where they have not stood out in this STEM obsessed time we’re in is the hard sciences. But they’re pouring a lot of money into those departments right now. The kid I know who chose Yale over Caltech is super happy with his education and research opportunities. As to how they compare to Penn etc- who cares? These are all great schools. But they are only schools, not the promised land. What one does in the world with a degree is so much more important than the “ status” of the school and there are a million metrics for that anyway.[/

Niche isn’t the best for subject rankings. Yale is 100% not top 5 in math - that would be Princeton, Harvard, MIT, Berkeley, CMU for undergrad, with Yale not being particularly close. It’s also not Top 5 in biology - John’s Hopkins, Harvard, MIT, Duke, and Stanford are all better for biology. Putting Yale in top 5 for physics is also a joke when you have Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Princeton, and Stanford being light years ahead. Economics is closer but Yale still isn’t as good as Harvard, Princeton, MIT, UChicago, or Stanford for econ. I would believe the history/sociology type placements, the humanities are definitely Yale’s strength.

Well you sound like quite a renaissance woman/man. Have a nice day!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:HYP will always be known as HYP. While there are plenty of other top caliber universities-Stanford, MIT etc, HYP are still the top 3 Ivies in the general public’s mind and still considered world class for many programs. No place can be top in every program.

Can anyone name a top 5 program at Yale outside of history, political science, and drama? That’s extremely weak for a school grouped with HPSM. Academically Yale is absolutely not up to par with the rest in that grouping. Outside of having a long history and a larger endowment, how is Yale better overall than say Columbia, UPENN, Duke for academic programs? HPSM on the other hand are clearly a step above the rest academically, Caltech too.

Well according to Niche they are top 5 in the following: Anthropology , sociology, architecture, art, biology, economics, English (6th), environmental science, film, foreign language, global affairs/international relations, history , math, philosophy, physics, psychology, religious studies. I’d say they’re holding their own with their peers.
Where they have not stood out in this STEM obsessed time we’re in is the hard sciences. But they’re pouring a lot of money into those departments right now. The kid I know who chose Yale over Caltech is super happy with his education and research opportunities. As to how they compare to Penn etc- who cares? These are all great schools. But they are only schools, not the promised land. What one does in the world with a degree is so much more important than the “ status” of the school and there are a million metrics for that anyway.

Niche isn’t the best for subject rankings. Yale is 100% not top 5 in math - that would be Princeton, Harvard, MIT, Berkeley, CMU for undergrad, with Yale not being particularly close. It’s also not Top 5 in biology - John’s Hopkins, Harvard, MIT, Duke, and Stanford are all better for biology. Putting Yale in top 5 for physics is also a joke when you have Harvard, MIT, Caltech, Princeton, and Stanford being light years ahead. Economics is closer but Yale still isn’t as good as Harvard, Princeton, MIT, UChicago, or Stanford for econ. I would believe the history/sociology type placements, the humanities are definitely Yale’s strength.

Then head off to MIT if you are a physics genius and head off to Yale if you are a history genius. Undecided will have to just choose one or the other and it will be fine. Problem solved

[Anonymous]

Most students with choice would take Harvard for alumni power, Princeton for smaller undergrad program, MIT for STEM and Stanford for silicone valley over Yale any given day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Most students with choice would take Harvard for alumni power, Princeton for smaller undergrad program, MIT for STEM and Stanford for silicone valley over Yale any given day.

Maybe we should troll Princeton today since Stanford, Harvard and Yale have had their turn.

How can Princeton in dullsville suburban NJ and without a law school, medical school, or business school be considered on par with other elite universities?


There you go... discuss.

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Anonymous wrote:Didn't Yale fire an RA over a Halloween costume?

Is this about not being able to wear blackface anymore or root for the redskins? You poor thing. How will you go on

DP, it was more about students demanding the head of a residential college at Yale step down because he defended his wife when she said students ought to be trusted to make choices without the school sending them detailed Halloween instructions. The students had a meltdown and claimed they were contributing to a hostile environment. It made Yale look like the ultimate Snowflake Academy.