Private Schools Wokeness Over the Top

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I believe in diversity and equity. The way it is pushed these days is more like a religion where other opinions are not allowed (look at the Hamline University debacle.. I am muslim and every muslim I know thinks what happens is insane). I am a person who is an admirer of Edward Said's book Orientalism as well as the People's History of the United States. I am Arab so am staunchly anti-imperialist. But I think schools have gone overboard. Also there is very little critique of class. I get it - they are private schools. But it is hypocritical to be pushing all of this and ignore the class aspect.

My kids are young - Kindergarten and first grade so they haven't been exposed to a lot of this yet. But I am worried that there is some indoctrination going on.

Sounds like you would be happy for your kids to be taught about the specific type of oppression that has affected people of your ethnicity/religion. But you chafe at having to think about any injustice that doesn't affect you personally (or a group you identify with).

Maybe think about why that is

Not really. The "People's History of the United States" talks about oppression of the various minority groups in the US. I also mentioned in a separate post that I am a big fan of Cornell West and Reverend Barbar who focus mostly on anti-black racism within the US and income inequality. Also really like James Baldwin. The problem is that you can't understand why a person who is against colonialism, racism etc. is also against this new progressive ideology. There is a huge difference between Cornell West and Kendi. The difference between the two is why I just can't stand this new DEI crap.

More power to you, OP! I’m African American and it drives me crazy that people think I must be alt right or something if I don’t like Kendi, as if he represents some sort of gospel of black intellectual thought. Plenty of black people have better takes on racism than Kendi. But their takes tend to me more complicated (as the truth often is) and less amenable to DEI buzz word reduction.

OP here. Thanks PP! Yes exactly! The problem with Kendi are that his takes are too simplistic and reductive. There are so many people with better takes out there that are just regular people who aren't making money off of their takes.

Not sure how this is possible as I'm not a Christian believer but I'm 100% convinced that Jesus had Kendi and fellow wokes in mind when, during the Sermon on the Mount, he (supposedly) said:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

Actually he had the Evangelicals in mind, who claim to be Christians, but then support ideology diametrically opposed to Christianity

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

As a parent who raised 6 productive members of society, I can unequivocally that given your title you are an idiot.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, even though we have disagreed on some points, you seem like a very thoughtful and interesting person. I wish I knew you in real life. I love much of what you said, even though I’m more in the DEI camp (mostly because there will be some elite “secret language” signaling no matter the dominant cultural norm is and I prefer DEI —with its capacity to also actually do some good— to the casual elite misogyny and racism of past decades). I hope whatever your kids end up that they have a great educational experience.

Haha thanks PP! Not sure which PP you are but I would love to have these discussions in real life. What I loved about college the most (and I fear that its not the case anymore) is that I could have these heated debates but then we can all go hang out afterwards like nothing happened. Represents what I love about America and what I fear is disappearing.

I keep telling people that I was "woke" (and like I said before, I understand the term has taken on its own meaning) before being woke was cool lol lol. But then it got to be too much even for me. Again the quote I keep posting (with my caveats) really explains my issue with what's going on.

Also, can you tell, I can't focus on work today? lol lol

It is only too much because it has been hijacked and weaponized by the right. Don't fall for it (though you seem to be)

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I believe in diversity and equity. The way it is pushed these days is more like a religion where other opinions are not allowed (look at the Hamline University debacle.. I am muslim and every muslim I know thinks what happens is insane). I am a person who is an admirer of Edward Said's book Orientalism as well as the People's History of the United States. I am Arab so am staunchly anti-imperialist. But I think schools have gone overboard. Also there is very little critique of class. I get it - they are private schools. But it is hypocritical to be pushing all of this and ignore the class aspect.

My kids are young - Kindergarten and first grade so they haven't been exposed to a lot of this yet. But I am worried that there is some indoctrination going on.

Sounds like you would be happy for your kids to be taught about the specific type of oppression that has affected people of your ethnicity/religion. But you chafe at having to think about any injustice that doesn't affect you personally (or a group you identify with).

Maybe think about why that is

Not really. The "People's History of the United States" talks about oppression of the various minority groups in the US. I also mentioned in a separate post that I am a big fan of Cornell West and Reverend Barbar who focus mostly on anti-black racism within the US and income inequality. Also really like James Baldwin. The problem is that you can't understand why a person who is against colonialism, racism etc. is also against this new progressive ideology. There is a huge difference between Cornell West and Kendi. The difference between the two is why I just can't stand this new DEI crap.

More power to you, OP! I’m African American and it drives me crazy that people think I must be alt right or something if I don’t like Kendi, as if he represents some sort of gospel of black intellectual thought. Plenty of black people have better takes on racism than Kendi. But their takes tend to me more complicated (as the truth often is) and less amenable to DEI buzz word reduction.

OP here. Thanks PP! Yes exactly! The problem with Kendi are that his takes are too simplistic and reductive. There are so many people with better takes out there that are just regular people who aren't making money off of their takes.

Not sure how this is possible as I'm not a Christian believer but I'm 100% convinced that Jesus had Kendi and fellow wokes in mind when, during the Sermon on the Mount, he (supposedly) said:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

Actually he had the Evangelicals in mind, who claim to be Christians, but then support ideology diametrically opposed to Christianity

Actually Evangelicals and Wokes are very similar to each other in beliefs and attitudes, simply changing a few keywords here and there.

As opposed to actual Liberals and post-enlightenment thinkers.

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Prep schools are woke (faking it) to avoid the rabid communist lefties from targeting them. It won’t work. Eventually they will be laid to waste unless somebody like Trump or Desantis shoves back. Well, maybe the second amendment is keeping them at bay as well.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I believe in diversity and equity. The way it is pushed these days is more like a religion where other opinions are not allowed (look at the Hamline University debacle.. I am muslim and every muslim I know thinks what happens is insane). I am a person who is an admirer of Edward Said's book Orientalism as well as the People's History of the United States. I am Arab so am staunchly anti-imperialist. But I think schools have gone overboard. Also there is very little critique of class. I get it - they are private schools. But it is hypocritical to be pushing all of this and ignore the class aspect.

My kids are young - Kindergarten and first grade so they haven't been exposed to a lot of this yet. But I am worried that there is some indoctrination going on.

Sounds like you would be happy for your kids to be taught about the specific type of oppression that has affected people of your ethnicity/religion. But you chafe at having to think about any injustice that doesn't affect you personally (or a group you identify with).

Maybe think about why that is

Not really. The "People's History of the United States" talks about oppression of the various minority groups in the US. I also mentioned in a separate post that I am a big fan of Cornell West and Reverend Barbar who focus mostly on anti-black racism within the US and income inequality. Also really like James Baldwin. The problem is that you can't understand why a person who is against colonialism, racism etc. is also against this new progressive ideology. There is a huge difference between Cornell West and Kendi. The difference between the two is why I just can't stand this new DEI crap.

Honestly I don't really understand. You liked the People's History of the United States but you don't think your kids should learn about the genocide of the Native American people? You like James Baldwin but you don't think kids should learn about the legacy of slavery or that there are multiple possible gender identities? Maybe go back and re-read those

OP here. Yes the problem is you don't understand. DEI/wokism is reductive and simplistic. Cornell West and James Baldwin are actually thinkers who are more nuanced. Of course I think my kids should learn about the genocide of Native American people. Where did I say they shouldn't? Go back to the quote that I had from the article about China. I am not a fan of Huntington but the quote I put was spot on - except like I said that I don't care that much about culture but the continuous focus on specific identity categories undermines solidarity amongst different identity groups which is necessary if we want to effectuate change. Here is the quote again:

"Progressive liberal ideology seeks to downplay cultural wholes. It envisions the world in universal, globalist terms, while reducing national ­societies to collections of atomized individuals. In its advanced form as identity politics, this version of liberalism views individuals as members of intersecting identity categories—categories that are not real communities and cultures, but rather demographic abstractions such as “Asian American” and “LGBTQIA+.” The word “community” may be added to such abstractions—as in “LGBTQIA+­ ­community”—but it is empty, for none of the identity-­politics categories are concrete communities with shared cultural lives. Indeed, the pseudo-­solidarity of identity politics further atomizes the individual by undermining the legitimacy of inherited cultures. This outcome is not accidental. Progressive liberals seek to weaken the hold of larger cultural collectives by erasing them from their accounts of the social world, accounts they disseminate using their dominance in the West’s humanities and social science departments."

I read a different article that has more of a leftist, "global south" critique of what's happening but unfortunately I can't find it, so this specific quote from this article will have to do.

When you use terms like "woke" and "leftists" it is a tell. Really just find some parochial school for your kids, probably some Evangelical indocrtination is your jam. Schools like GDS and Sidwell clearly are not going to be good fits for your outlook.

OP here. I did not use the word left interchangeably in the above with "woke." What I was trying to say is that the quote above criticizes progressive ideology. I do not agree with the quote in its entirety because my critique of progressives and the DEI culture that spewed out of progressive ideology (though they aren't the same thing) comes from the left. When I said left and "global south" above, I meant that there is a better article out there that criticizes progressive liberal ideology from a leftist perspective but that I cannot find it. I am a leftist but not a leftist as the term is used in the US today. The left in the US specifically has become unrecognizable and almost not existent. They have been replaced by an people that seeks to create ever so tiny categories of identity that undermines solidarity amongst different identity groups which is necessary if we want to effectuate change.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, even though we have disagreed on some points, you seem like a very thoughtful and interesting person. I wish I knew you in real life. I love much of what you said, even though I’m more in the DEI camp (mostly because there will be some elite “secret language” signaling no matter the dominant cultural norm is and I prefer DEI —with its capacity to also actually do some good— to the casual elite misogyny and racism of past decades). I hope whatever your kids end up that they have a great educational experience.

Haha thanks PP! Not sure which PP you are but I would love to have these discussions in real life. What I loved about college the most (and I fear that its not the case anymore) is that I could have these heated debates but then we can all go hang out afterwards like nothing happened. Represents what I love about America and what I fear is disappearing.

I keep telling people that I was "woke" (and like I said before, I understand the term has taken on its own meaning) before being woke was cool lol lol. But then it got to be too much even for me. Again the quote I keep posting (with my caveats) really explains my issue with what's going on.

Also, can you tell, I can't focus on work today? lol lol

It is only too much because it has been hijacked and weaponized by the right. Don't fall for it (though you seem to be)

No. That's not my problem with it. Like I said I am a fan of Barber and Cornell West but not a fan of Kendi. I am a fan of Edward Said but not a fan of Kendi. I am a fan of Baldwin but not a fan of Kendi. I am a fan of Chomsky but not a fan of Kendi. I am a fan of countless leftists and thinkers from the "global south" (I put south in quotation marks because the term doesn't make sense georgraphically) but am not a fan of Kendi. I can keep going lol.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you’re worried about some vague notion of wokeness that hasn’t apparently even affected you or your kids in private school. And yet racism, ableism, and general bullying of minority groups still happens a lot in the public schools in this area. Are you sure you want to dump wokeness? Some kid made fun of my dd’s darker skin color and compared her to a turd. She was too hurt and embarrassed to tell me about the incident for a whole year. Just one reason I will be happy to trade public school for our woke private school next year. And check out this recent gem from TikTok. At least I know that this type of behavior would get a kid instantly expelled from any private school: https://www.tiktok.com/@tizzyent/video/7187837986858421547

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No where did I say that the behavior you are describing is a better alterative. I have always known that the conservatives hate people like me. But now we have progressives that are claiming to be our "allies" speaking for us and spewing dangerous BS. Perhaps why I feel so lost here is because I don't agree with either side although I'm not equating the two either. Many progressives have their hearts in the right place but what they are pushing is reductive, harmful and in some ways as the original article I quoted is saying, creating its own exclusive club. Of course many progressives will say that the DEI "industry" is not progressives. But maybe they should ask themselves why corporations are jumping to adopt the terminology that progressives love to use. Again I go back to that quote from that article about why the Chinese love conservatives.

I assumed you didn’t like that alternative but wanted to make sure you’re aware of what happens outside the wokezone all the time. You may not be because your kids are younger and sheltered in their woke environment. Just pointing out that wokeness isn’t all bad. I kind of suspect you’re wary about levels of wokeness that are pretty uncommon, except within the media/social media where sphere where the most extreme incidents or points of view get the most airtime.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I believe in diversity and equity. The way it is pushed these days is more like a religion where other opinions are not allowed (look at the Hamline University debacle.. I am muslim and every muslim I know thinks what happens is insane). I am a person who is an admirer of Edward Said's book Orientalism as well as the People's History of the United States. I am Arab so am staunchly anti-imperialist. But I think schools have gone overboard. Also there is very little critique of class. I get it - they are private schools. But it is hypocritical to be pushing all of this and ignore the class aspect.

My kids are young - Kindergarten and first grade so they haven't been exposed to a lot of this yet. But I am worried that there is some indoctrination going on.

Sounds like you would be happy for your kids to be taught about the specific type of oppression that has affected people of your ethnicity/religion. But you chafe at having to think about any injustice that doesn't affect you personally (or a group you identify with).

Maybe think about why that is

Not really. The "People's History of the United States" talks about oppression of the various minority groups in the US. I also mentioned in a separate post that I am a big fan of Cornell West and Reverend Barbar who focus mostly on anti-black racism within the US and income inequality. Also really like James Baldwin. The problem is that you can't understand why a person who is against colonialism, racism etc. is also against this new progressive ideology. There is a huge difference between Cornell West and Kendi. The difference between the two is why I just can't stand this new DEI crap.

More power to you, OP! I’m African American and it drives me crazy that people think I must be alt right or something if I don’t like Kendi, as if he represents some sort of gospel of black intellectual thought. Plenty of black people have better takes on racism than Kendi. But their takes tend to me more complicated (as the truth often is) and less amenable to DEI buzz word reduction.

OP here. Thanks PP! Yes exactly! The problem with Kendi are that his takes are too simplistic and reductive. There are so many people with better takes out there that are just regular people who aren't making money off of their takes.

Not sure how this is possible as I'm not a Christian believer but I'm 100% convinced that Jesus had Kendi and fellow wokes in mind when, during the Sermon on the Mount, he (supposedly) said:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

Actually he had the Evangelicals in mind, who claim to be Christians, but then support ideology diametrically opposed to Christianity

Actually Evangelicals and Wokes are very similar to each other in beliefs and attitudes, simply changing a few keywords here and there.

As opposed to actual Liberals and post-enlightenment thinkers.

Yep both are quite simplistic in their thinking and love painting the world as black and white.

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I am genuinely shocked about people referring to a melting pot.

I am OLD and even I remember waaaay back in the 80s talking about how the US isn't a melting pot - that was an antiquated and stupid analogy. Instead, we could think of the US as a salad bowl, where every piece retains it's own unique flavors and comes together as one better whole.

I've also read through most of nine pages and have yet to understand exactly what the OP is worried about or what she considers "woke". I get she doesn't like Kendi. OK, fair enough. Reasonable people can disagree about any specific person or idea. But not sure where the lead comes from there to some larger "wokeness" she's concerned about.

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

As a parent who raised 6 productive members of society, I can unequivocally that given your title you are an idiot.

I probably shouldn't have used the term "woke" because it is a cultural lightening rod but I'm human and I make mistakes. I'm not American so I am not with either side of this debate so perhaps the term doesn't have the significance or the meaning it has for me as it does for others - I'm looking at it from the outside in (though admittedly I have lived here for 15 years now so in a way the US is part of me but I'm still an outsider). You call me an idiot. Did you bother understanding my critique and reading what I said? Calling people you disagree with idiots is part of the problem. It seems like no one is willing to listen to the other side anymore. I'm not even the "other side" I'm just a person looking in. The US has become so tribal that different opinions are not tolerated. I feel lost here. What I loved about America is quickly disappearing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:OP, you’re worried about some vague notion of wokeness that hasn’t apparently even affected you or your kids in private school. And yet racism, ableism, and general bullying of minority groups still happens a lot in the public schools in this area. Are you sure you want to dump wokeness? Some kid made fun of my dd’s darker skin color and compared her to a turd. She was too hurt and embarrassed to tell me about the incident for a whole year. Just one reason I will be happy to trade public school for our woke private school next year. And check out this recent gem from TikTok. At least I know that this type of behavior would get a kid instantly expelled from any private school: https://www.tiktok.com/@tizzyent/video/7187837986858421547

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No where did I say that the behavior you are describing is a better alterative. I have always known that the conservatives hate people like me. But now we have progressives that are claiming to be our "allies" speaking for us and spewing dangerous BS. Perhaps why I feel so lost here is because I don't agree with either side although I'm not equating the two either. Many progressives have their hearts in the right place but what they are pushing is reductive, harmful and in some ways as the original article I quoted is saying, creating its own exclusive club. Of course many progressives will say that the DEI "industry" is not progressives. But maybe they should ask themselves why corporations are jumping to adopt the terminology that progressives love to use. Again I go back to that quote from that article about why the Chinese love conservatives.

I assumed you didn’t like that alternative but wanted to make sure you’re aware of what happens outside the wokezone all the time. You may not be because your kids are younger and sheltered in their woke environment. Just pointing out that wokeness isn’t all bad. I kind of suspect you’re wary about levels of wokeness that are pretty uncommon, except within the media/social media where sphere where the most extreme incidents or points of view get the most airtime.

Yes. I live in my own liberal affluent bubble. I don't associate with the "crazies" lol because well they hate me. My friends who live as close as Vienna and Woodbridge complain about racism all the time. But given the fact that I live in a bubble, I criticize what I am seeing in that bubble. It doesn't mean I think its all fine and dandy elsewhere.

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Anonymous wrote:OP, even though we have disagreed on some points, you seem like a very thoughtful and interesting person. I wish I knew you in real life. I love much of what you said, even though I’m more in the DEI camp (mostly because there will be some elite “secret language” signaling no matter the dominant cultural norm is and I prefer DEI —with its capacity to also actually do some good— to the casual elite misogyny and racism of past decades). I hope whatever your kids end up that they have a great educational experience.

Haha thanks PP! Not sure which PP you are but I would love to have these discussions in real life. What I loved about college the most (and I fear that its not the case anymore) is that I could have these heated debates but then we can all go hang out afterwards like nothing happened. Represents what I love about America and what I fear is disappearing.

I keep telling people that I was "woke" (and like I said before, I understand the term has taken on its own meaning) before being woke was cool lol lol. But then it got to be too much even for me. Again the quote I keep posting (with my caveats) really explains my issue with what's going on.

Also, can you tell, I can't focus on work today? lol lol

It is only too much because it has been hijacked and weaponized by the right. Don't fall for it (though you seem to be)

No. That's not my problem with it. Like I said I am a fan of Barber and Cornell West but not a fan of Kendi. I am a fan of Edward Said but not a fan of Kendi. I am a fan of Baldwin but not a fan of Kendi. I am a fan of Chomsky but not a fan of Kendi. I am a fan of countless leftists and thinkers from the "global south" (I put south in quotation marks because the term doesn't make sense georgraphically) but am not a fan of Kendi. I can keep going lol.

So maybe the problem is you are overhyping Kendi in the pantheon of writers, and given him much more space than anyone else is, certainly anyone reading this.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:As a parent from a foreign background, this article resonated with me. I feel lost here and feel like I no longer fit in.

https://www.slowboring.com/p/who-is-included-by-inclusive-language

As a parent who raised 6 productive members of society, I can unequivocally that given your title you are an idiot.

I probably shouldn't have used the term "woke" because it is a cultural lightening rod but I'm human and I make mistakes. I'm not American so I am not with either side of this debate so perhaps the term doesn't have the significance or the meaning it has for me as it does for others - I'm looking at it from the outside in (though admittedly I have lived here for 15 years now so in a way the US is part of me but I'm still an outsider). You call me an idiot. Did you bother understanding my critique and reading what I said? Calling people you disagree with idiots is part of the problem. It seems like no one is willing to listen to the other side anymore. I'm not even the "other side" I'm just a person looking in. The US has become so tribal that different opinions are not tolerated. I feel lost here. What I loved about America is quickly disappearing.

DP: The term "woke" is perfect for what you're describing, and it's the woke mob that is here trying to gaslight you and insult you and bully you into submission.

Imagine what they are doing to our kids.

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Anonymous wrote:OP here. I believe in diversity and equity. The way it is pushed these days is more like a religion where other opinions are not allowed (look at the Hamline University debacle.. I am muslim and every muslim I know thinks what happens is insane). I am a person who is an admirer of Edward Said's book Orientalism as well as the People's History of the United States. I am Arab so am staunchly anti-imperialist. But I think schools have gone overboard. Also there is very little critique of class. I get it - they are private schools. But it is hypocritical to be pushing all of this and ignore the class aspect.

My kids are young - Kindergarten and first grade so they haven't been exposed to a lot of this yet. But I am worried that there is some indoctrination going on.

Sounds like you would be happy for your kids to be taught about the specific type of oppression that has affected people of your ethnicity/religion. But you chafe at having to think about any injustice that doesn't affect you personally (or a group you identify with).

Maybe think about why that is

Not really. The "People's History of the United States" talks about oppression of the various minority groups in the US. I also mentioned in a separate post that I am a big fan of Cornell West and Reverend Barbar who focus mostly on anti-black racism within the US and income inequality. Also really like James Baldwin. The problem is that you can't understand why a person who is against colonialism, racism etc. is also against this new progressive ideology. There is a huge difference between Cornell West and Kendi. The difference between the two is why I just can't stand this new DEI crap.

More power to you, OP! I’m African American and it drives me crazy that people think I must be alt right or something if I don’t like Kendi, as if he represents some sort of gospel of black intellectual thought. Plenty of black people have better takes on racism than Kendi. But their takes tend to me more complicated (as the truth often is) and less amenable to DEI buzz word reduction.

OP here. Thanks PP! Yes exactly! The problem with Kendi are that his takes are too simplistic and reductive. There are so many people with better takes out there that are just regular people who aren't making money off of their takes.

Not sure how this is possible as I'm not a Christian believer but I'm 100% convinced that Jesus had Kendi and fellow wokes in mind when, during the Sermon on the Mount, he (supposedly) said:

"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them."

Actually he had the Evangelicals in mind, who claim to be Christians, but then support ideology diametrically opposed to Christianity

Actually Evangelicals and Wokes are very similar to each other in beliefs and attitudes, simply changing a few keywords here and there.

As opposed to actual Liberals and post-enlightenment thinkers.

Yep both are quite simplistic in their thinking and love painting the world as black and white.

bOtH sIdEs

Only one side has actually caused significant damage to our country. Exactly who is "woke" and how much miney are they raising? What is the organization or organizations? Who is part of their movement? I am all ears on this, particularly as compared to the Evangelicals, who have hijacked our country and sending it off a cliff.