Enough already

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Anonymous wrote:It's reassuring to see at least some ppl on this message board are understanding of this (and other) teacher(s).

It's laughable everyone else with zero ability to think about the society they participate in and think "we are so close, everything is almost perfect, it's just those damn teachers ruining the perfection!" Like k12 public education in this country isn't a giant mirror on how F'd up this American culture is.

So much this!!

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a principal. I spent most of December giving gifts, having fun events, visiting with teachers and doing everything possible to show the love. Basically it was a please-don’t-quit-over-break campaign. It’s a hard time to be a teacher.

Please tell your higher ups to get rid of both the minimum 50% policy and of open enrollment. My entire department is besides themselves about the 50%. I'm really tired of being expected to get students to pass SOLs and AP tests and being told at the same time that I have to "meet students where they're at." That sometimes means they're two or more years behind. We're passing kids who know next to nothing by inflating their grades with the 50% and they pay for it later.
About open enrollment, if you're worried about racists preventing a student from going into a class they deserve to be in, there's a simple and fair solution: a blind placement test. Students are assigned an identifier that corresponds to their ID number and is stored in a centralized database with no other identifiers of any kind and not accessible outside of Gatehouse.

You lost me on the 50% policy. The impact of a zero on a class average is inappropriate. Students should be graded on what they do in class. If they get a 30% on work done in class, then so be it. But a zero for not turning in some homework? No. Even worse are those teachers that don’t take late work. Late work should be accepted with a deduction. When they don’t, that’s where you lose me.

If they get a 30% on work done in class, we STILL HAVE TO PUT IN A 50%. We have students scoring 0, 10 and 20% on assessments or not doing them at all. We still have to put in a 50%.

I am talking about in-class work and it's not one zero. Our homework counts for so little in the total grade that it's not going to make a noticeable difference--maybe half a grade at most by the end of the year.

It's easy to see that you can get higher grades on earlier (and in STEM classes, easier) work and then gradually do less and less to the point where you're (for instance) not learning anything during second semester. And still pass. Just put some numbers in a spreadsheet and you'll see. And then we end up with these students in the next level and they know next to nothing.

As far as late work goes, in math, doing homework late means you're not prepared for the next class (okay, sure, one or two students can manage without doing homework--they're not the ones I'm talking about). We still give them partial credit if they turn it in by the test date, but by then they've already shot themselves in the foot. And turning it in after the test is just a joke.

The other problem with late work is that students wait to see their friends' grades to find out what was on the assignment and how it was graded and then they adjust their work accordingly or copy. Totally unfair to the kid who turned it in on time and got a C for a kid who knows nothing and turns it in late to get a B after the late deduction.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a principal. I spent most of December giving gifts, having fun events, visiting with teachers and doing everything possible to show the love. Basically it was a please-don’t-quit-over-break campaign. It’s a hard time to be a teacher.

Please tell your higher ups to get rid of both the minimum 50% policy and of open enrollment. My entire department is besides themselves about the 50%. I'm really tired of being expected to get students to pass SOLs and AP tests and being told at the same time that I have to "meet students where they're at." That sometimes means they're two or more years behind. We're passing kids who know next to nothing by inflating their grades with the 50% and they pay for it later.
About open enrollment, if you're worried about racists preventing a student from going into a class they deserve to be in, there's a simple and fair solution: a blind placement test. Students are assigned an identifier that corresponds to their ID number and is stored in a centralized database with no other identifiers of any kind and not accessible outside of Gatehouse.

As a parent, I think the 50 percent policy is good for Gen Ed classes but, if you want to kill two birds with one stone and discourage kids from taking honors classes, then remove the 50 percent policy from honors classes.

For kids in Gen Ed and those who are getting special Ed support, the 50 percent policy means that one bad grade/missed assignment doesn’t tank their average and gives them motivation to keep working in that class. But I agree that if a student chooses honors or AP classes, the standard should be higher and kids shouldn’t be gaming the system (especially with how competitive college admission is for high achieving students). BTW, the 50 percent rule is likely keeping some kids from getting IEPs because “they aren’t failing”, so I don’t think it only helps students; it preserves resources (for better or worse).

This is a really good suggestion.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

No blame. But teachers did get to jump the line to get vaccinated in front of many elderly folk and many still didn’t go back in person that year. That is a fact. I really don’t care what the SPED teachers do as a whole as my kids aren’t in special Ed.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

No blame. But teachers did get to jump the line to get vaccinated in front of many elderly folk and many still didn’t go back in person that year. That is a fact. I really don’t care what the SPED teachers do as a whole as my kids aren’t in special Ed.

Shut up and move on with your life.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

No blame. But teachers did get to jump the line to get vaccinated in front of many elderly folk and many still didn’t go back in person that year. That is a fact. I really don’t care what the SPED teachers do as a whole as my kids aren’t in special Ed.

Shut up and move on with your life.

Exactly, we are almost 3 years beyond the start of it….move on already!

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

No blame. But teachers did get to jump the line to get vaccinated in front of many elderly folk and many still didn’t go back in person that year. That is a fact. I really don’t care what the SPED teachers do as a whole as my kids aren’t in special Ed.

typical NoVa....I don't care about anyone but me.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

No blame. But teachers did get to jump the line to get vaccinated in front of many elderly folk and many still didn’t go back in person that year. That is a fact. I really don’t care what the SPED teachers do as a whole as my kids aren’t in special Ed.

Shut up and move on with your life.

Seriously

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

No blame. But teachers did get to jump the line to get vaccinated in front of many elderly folk and many still didn’t go back in person that year. That is a fact. I really don’t care what the SPED teachers do as a whole as my kids aren’t in special Ed.

typical NoVa....I don't care about anyone but me.

Nah the post does say they care about elderly people

Narrator: people like this did not care about elderly people. People like this care only for themselves and what they can personally gain from any situation. They have no empathy, coping skills or hell, any real skills that aid a community. When the pandemic began and the world changed quickly, they could not cope, and lashed out at the first group of people they felt affected their lives negatively. They chose teachers because they were the lowest hanging fruit

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

No blame. But teachers did get to jump the line to get vaccinated in front of many elderly folk and many still didn’t go back in person that year. That is a fact. I really don’t care what the SPED teachers do as a whole as my kids aren’t in special Ed.

typical NoVa....I don't care about anyone but me.

Nah the post does say they care about elderly people

Narrator: people like this did not care about elderly people. People like this care only for themselves and what they can personally gain from any situation. They have no empathy, coping skills or hell, any real skills that aid a community. When the pandemic began and the world changed quickly, they could not cope, and lashed out at the first group of people they felt affected their lives negatively. They chose teachers because they were the lowest hanging fruit

+ 1

Beautifully put and accurate.

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Elderly people didn't need to go back to work. My mom was happy to allow me to get my shot before her. She wasn't going back to work in person. She wasn't going anywhere.

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Anonymous wrote:Elderly people didn't need to go back to work. My mom was happy to allow me to get my shot before her. She wasn't going back to work in person. She wasn't going anywhere.

This person has been posting about teachers taking COVID vaccines away from the elderly for years on this site or it's many people because it's a Fox News talking point.... like America doesn't treat its elderly like shit anyway for the past 40 years

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

+1 how long will teachers have to pay for the earlyish access to vaccines?