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Anonymous wrote:Elderly people didn't need to go back to work. My mom was happy to allow me to get my shot before her. She wasn't going back to work in person. She wasn't going anywhere.

My father who is over 70 believed the vaccine should have been given to those working outside the house before ANYONE. He felt the vaccine was wasted on the elderly because they’re at the end of their lives, and those are the people that we should be prioritizing. We should be prioritizing those that are younger and still contributing to workforce.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. [b]And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

No blame. But teachers did get to jump the line to get vaccinated in front of many elderly folk and many still didn’t go back in person that year. That is a fact. [/b]I really don’t care what the SPED teachers do as a whole as my kids aren’t in special Ed.[/b]

You will care about SPED teachers when your DC’s special needs classmates aren’t getting their needs met. It will drag down Gen. Ed classes for sure. Though no fault of the students.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

No blame. But teachers did get to jump the line to get vaccinated in front of many elderly folk and many still didn’t go back in person that year. That is a fact. I really don’t care what the SPED teachers do as a whole as my kids aren’t in special Ed.

Just about anyone could get the shot in the first wave of vaccines. You needed to have one high risk category, which included being overweight. Not obese but overweight. Asthma? High risk. High blood pressure? High risk. It was a long list of high risk people. And no one was checking if you were actually high risk. It is why it took forever to get through the 1B group, high risk. Nearly the entire adult population fell into that category.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

No blame. But teachers did get to jump the line to get vaccinated in front of many elderly folk and many still didn’t go back in person that year. That is a fact. I really don’t care what the SPED teachers do as a whole as my kids aren’t in special Ed.

typical NoVa....I don't care about anyone but me.

Nah the post does say they care about elderly people

Narrator: people like this did not care about elderly people. People like this care only for themselves and what they can personally gain from any situation. They have no empathy, coping skills or hell, any real skills that aid a community. When the pandemic began and the world changed quickly, they could not cope, and lashed out at the first group of people they felt affected their lives negatively. They chose teachers because they were the lowest hanging fruit

I'm willing to bet it's just a talking point...it's constant on DC MUM about my poor kids and just look at you selfish teachers. We are tired. As said before this "narrator" needs to move on.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

No blame. But teachers did get to jump the line to get vaccinated in front of many elderly folk and many still didn’t go back in person that year. That is a fact. I really don’t care what the SPED teachers do as a whole as my kids aren’t in special Ed.

Just about anyone could get the shot in the first wave of vaccines. You needed to have one high risk category, which included being overweight. Not obese but overweight. Asthma? High risk. High blood pressure? High risk. It was a long list of high risk people. And no one was checking if you were actually high risk. It is why it took forever to get through the 1B group, high risk. Nearly the entire adult population fell into that category.

Completely false.

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So once the teachers got vaccinated and schools finally opened, how come not every single teacher went back in person? Explain that.

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Anonymous wrote:So once the teachers got vaccinated and schools finally opened, how come not every single teacher went back in person? Explain that.

Because they taught virtual students?

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Anonymous wrote:Elderly people didn't need to go back to work. My mom was happy to allow me to get my shot before her. She wasn't going back to work in person. She wasn't going anywhere.

My father who is over 70 believed the vaccine should have been given to those working outside the house before ANYONE. He felt the vaccine was wasted on the elderly because they’re at the end of their lives, and those are the people that we should be prioritizing. We should be prioritizing those that are younger and still contributing to workforce.

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Valid point.

Same when we have the scarcity in flu shots, so many years back. MIL bragged about getting hers, but true to frm, would not tell me where it was available, as a pregnant woman.

Rude.

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Anonymous wrote:Elderly people didn't need to go back to work. My mom was happy to allow me to get my shot before her. She wasn't going back to work in person. She wasn't going anywhere.

My father who is over 70 believed the vaccine should have been given to those working outside the house before ANYONE. He felt the vaccine was wasted on the elderly because they’re at the end of their lives, and those are the people that we should be prioritizing. We should be prioritizing those that are younger and still contributing to workforce.

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Valid point.

Same when we have the scarcity in flu shots, so many years back. MIL bragged about getting hers, but true to frm, would not tell me where it was available, as a pregnant woman.

Rude.

Completely disagree. Also, in January, teachers were not back physically at work at that time. Vaccines thankfully were mostly prioritized for the people most susceptible to die from the disease: elderly and immunocompromised.

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I love the revisionism. Late 2020/early 2021 the same people screaming in this thread were ADAMANT that teachers were Essential Workers and should be vaccinated first because kids being in a building was more important than any other issue.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people, and teachers, are truly selfless and that is an amazing and wonderful thing... but no one is obligated to be, and that is totally okay. How exactly would you enforce 'not being allowed to quit?' Chain them to a desk? Everyone is free, and that is even more important than how you or your child feel about it. Turn it into a life lesson opportunity, OP

At one time, people took pride in their professions, and contracts were written in a way to enforce that for those who didn't. Getting blacklisted was a real threat and deterrent. But over the past recent decades, companies have demonstrated their lack of loyalty to their employees and employees have learned to have no loyalty in return. It has taken additional time but the same shift has now finally happened in teaching. Professionalism is no longer the norm, in either direction, blacklisting is no longer a threat, and now contracts are no longer sacrosanct. They're breakable. And getting broken.

Specific to teaching: Public school teaching now requires more paperwork and meetings than actual teaching. There is very little time allotted to course prep or grading, which means teachers have to do both on their time, which decreases the quality of instruction, OR decreases the teacher's quality of life. On top of that, being a teacher is not a respected profession anymore. Parents yell at teachers, demand special treatment for their kids, bully them to change a B to an A because entry to private high school or entry to college has gotten cut-throat competitive...

... so teachers can't win. They are asked to do the impossible, every day. And during the 2020 lockdowns, on this very board, teachers were excoriated by a good number of you, called all sorts of names, and generally reviled and despised, because they were afraid for their lives before vaccines were distributed. As a result of aggressive parental pressure, so many fled the profession that there is now a dire nationwide teacher shortage.

OP, shame on you.

Oh no no no no no no. Teachers were some of the first to get vaccinated - they jumped the line and bumped grandma. They got their vaccines and then still chose to stay home and teach virtually. They did not want to come back the rest of that year, which was absolute bs.

Teachers didn’t jump the line. They were told to go get vaccinated and in some cases, told they could not return to work if they didn’t and would then be fired.

How quickly you forget. Yes they did. In January of 2021 when vaccines first came out, it was going by age groups (eldest first). Teacher unions complained and then suddenly they were made a priority. Teachers got to go earlier than my elderly parents. Then, schools still didn’t open up, and when they did, our kids were subjected to this 2 days in, 2 days out virtual hybrid nonsense bs. And many teachers didn’t come in to teach in person for the rest of the year, despite being fully vaccinated in January. Shameful.

I got my first shot at the end of January and the second at the beginning of March right when schools reopened. Not sure what you're talking about.

You confirmed exactly what I said. I said January. You got your first shot in January. Originally you wouldn’t have been in that group to go in January but Braband pushed hard to get teachers vaccinated earlier due to the teachers unions. So teachers got to get their first shots in January, ahead of elderly folk (appointments were hard to get but they opened special clinics for teachers).

So tired of hearing about teachers during covid....it's exhausting. Shut it....it was a pandemic under a crappy president who created chaos instead of calm. Everyone was affected. SPED, GEN ED, teachers, parents, administrators. Just STOP with the BS and blame. And you know what I guarantee more SPED teachers leaving before the end of the year with this newest lawsuit, so buckle up.

No blame. But teachers did get to jump the line to get vaccinated in front of many elderly folk and many still didn’t go back in person that year. That is a fact. I really don’t care what the SPED teachers do as a whole as my kids aren’t in special Ed.

Just about anyone could get the shot in the first wave of vaccines. You needed to have one high risk category, which included being overweight. Not obese but overweight. Asthma? High risk. High blood pressure? High risk. It was a long list of high risk people. And no one was checking if you were actually high risk. It is why it took forever to get through the 1B group, high risk. Nearly the entire adult population fell into that category.

Completely false.

There were a lot of under 65 year olds who were not essential workers in the first wave of vaccines. Everyone of my sons classmates parents were vaccinated in the first wave and non of them were elderly or an essential worker. I was 50 but have asthma and was overweight, vaccinated in group 1B. Friends with heart disease, vaccinated in wave 1B. Overweight friends vaccinated. The 1B group took almost 3 months to complete because of scarcity but also because so many people fell into that category. And no one was checking that you actually had any of the ailments.

So yeah, there were lots of folks in that 1B group. The only people I knew who didn’t sign up in the 1B group were my co-workers in their early 20s who thought that they had no shot of getting sick. Most teachers would have been able to get vaccinated regardless of being added to the essential employees category.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a principal. I spent most of December giving gifts, having fun events, visiting with teachers and doing everything possible to show the love. Basically it was a please-don’t-quit-over-break campaign. It’s a hard time to be a teacher.

Why?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a principal. I spent most of December giving gifts, having fun events, visiting with teachers and doing everything possible to show the love. Basically it was a please-don’t-quit-over-break campaign. It’s a hard time to be a teacher.

Why?

Are you asking “why is it hard to be a teacher?”

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NP. Teachers are burnt out from the stress of the pandemic, from behaviors, from unreasonable job demands, etc.

The thing is, kids are burnt out too. They don't have the recourse to break their contracts and quit midyear. They just have to go to school, burnt out, maybe behind academically and lost, stressed, and in a stressful school environment with behaviors, etc. And then they lose their teacher, and when their parents complain, the students are expected to "be resilient" and be quiet.

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Anonymous wrote:NP. Teachers are burnt out from the stress of the pandemic, from behaviors, from unreasonable job demands, etc.

The thing is, kids are burnt out too. They don't have the recourse to break their contracts and quit midyear. They just have to go to school, burnt out, maybe behind academically and lost, stressed, and in a stressful school environment with behaviors, etc. And then they lose their teacher, and when their parents complain, the students are expected to "be resilient" and be quiet.

Parents/students have choice: public, private, or homeschool.