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Anonymous wrote:Just so I understand, would people prefer if I sing aloud all the coco melon songs while my toddler watches on silent?

Ha. I remember one flight (very, delayed we had been in the airport for hours) the flight attendant walked past us and then noticed visually that my son was holding an iPad on very very low. She insisted we put headphones on him which he was not having so I put on subtitles and read them. That’s apparently fine. We were far quieter than the drunk guy in front of us…

For some reason, which I'm sure science can explain, certain sounds are more intrusive and annoying. People talking on cell phones are worse than people talking to their neighbor. The noise from electronic devices is more annoying that a normal conversation. Reading to your kid is less irritating than your kid's show.

Well the cell phone issue is that people talk loudly when they talk on the phone, not "noise from electronic devices"

There's also something about hearing only one side of a conversation.

Wow. Creepy.

Not sure what's creepy about it? I read an article a while back that discussed how hearing only one side of a conversation is more irritating, possibly because your brain tries to fill in the gaps or something.

I don't listen to people's private conversations. Do you?

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Anonymous wrote:Just so I understand, would people prefer if I sing aloud all the coco melon songs while my toddler watches on silent?

Ha. I remember one flight (very, delayed we had been in the airport for hours) the flight attendant walked past us and then noticed visually that my son was holding an iPad on very very low. She insisted we put headphones on him which he was not having so I put on subtitles and read them. That’s apparently fine. We were far quieter than the drunk guy in front of us…

For some reason, which I'm sure science can explain, certain sounds are more intrusive and annoying. People talking on cell phones are worse than people talking to their neighbor. The noise from electronic devices is more annoying that a normal conversation. Reading to your kid is less irritating than your kid's show.

Well the cell phone issue is that people talk loudly when they talk on the phone, not "noise from electronic devices"

There's also something about hearing only one side of a conversation.

Wow. Creepy.

Not sure what's creepy about it? I read an article a while back that discussed how hearing only one side of a conversation is more irritating, possibly because your brain tries to fill in the gaps or something.

I don't listen to people's private conversations. Do you?

It's not private if you're having it in public, especially if you're having it in a confined space like an airplane. That's why people get annoyed: because you can't *not* listen to it.

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How in the heck is someone with a kind of audio sensitivity not *already* using noise canceling headphones on every flight they’re on? Setting aside the fact that, yes, parents shouldn’t let their kids listen to video on planes, trains, buses, etc when others can hear it, I’m just amazed someone with a very specific sensitivity would put themselves in this position.

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Anonymous wrote:Just so I understand, would people prefer if I sing aloud all the coco melon songs while my toddler watches on silent?

Ha. I remember one flight (very, delayed we had been in the airport for hours) the flight attendant walked past us and then noticed visually that my son was holding an iPad on very very low. She insisted we put headphones on him which he was not having so I put on subtitles and read them. That’s apparently fine. We were far quieter than the drunk guy in front of us…

For some reason, which I'm sure science can explain, certain sounds are more intrusive and annoying. People talking on cell phones are worse than people talking to their neighbor. The noise from electronic devices is more annoying that a normal conversation. Reading to your kid is less irritating than your kid's show.

Well the cell phone issue is that people talk loudly when they talk on the phone, not "noise from electronic devices"

There's also something about hearing only one side of a conversation.

Wow. Creepy.

Not sure what's creepy about it? I read an article a while back that discussed how hearing only one side of a conversation is more irritating, possibly because your brain tries to fill in the gaps or something.

I don't listen to people's private conversations. Do you?

It's not private if you're having it in public, especially if you're having it in a confined space like an airplane. That's why people get annoyed: because you can't *not* listen to it.

Sure you can..occupy your mind with something else. Read a book. Bring your own headphones.

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This is actually one of the reasons we are very strict about screen time. Because when you *need* to press the easy button it has to work, and if your kid thinks you get to have it your own way just by yelling…they yell.

So yes from 18M my daughter wore baby headband sound limited headphones for all of her 3min of screen time. So when we had to fly 16 hours for work, she had no expectation of getting an iPad without headphones. She would also probably have accepted it with the sound off.

I know it’s too late for the people who are already on the plane to go back and do this but it’s not too late for people with little kids who think they’ll fly in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:This is actually one of the reasons we are very strict about screen time. Because when you *need* to press the easy button it has to work, and if your kid thinks you get to have it your own way just by yelling…they yell.

So yes from 18M my daughter wore baby headband sound limited headphones for all of her 3min of screen time. So when we had to fly 16 hours for work, she had no expectation of getting an iPad without headphones. She would also probably have accepted it with the sound off.

I know it’s too late for the people who are already on the plane to go back and do this but it’s not too late for people with little kids who think they’ll fly in the future.

It is always stunning to me how many parents believe that all children are like their child and their child dies something convenient (like wear headphones or nap anywhere) because they are just the greatest gd parents that ever existed

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Anonymous wrote:The Atlantic just had an article on this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/12/parents-flying-with-baby-children-crying-airplane-travel/672523/

Consider that the parents with kids without headphones aren't trying to be inconsiderate jerks, they're actually trying their best to keep their kid quite in challenging circumstances.

I loved this article. Our society has such weird attitudes towards children in places like planes. The article explained it so well.

No dog in this fight for me. I’ve never flown with any of my kids.

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Anonymous wrote:This is actually one of the reasons we are very strict about screen time. Because when you *need* to press the easy button it has to work, and if your kid thinks you get to have it your own way just by yelling…they yell.

So yes from 18M my daughter wore baby headband sound limited headphones for all of her 3min of screen time. So when we had to fly 16 hours for work, she had no expectation of getting an iPad without headphones. She would also probably have accepted it with the sound off.

I know it’s too late for the people who are already on the plane to go back and do this but it’s not too late for people with little kids who think they’ll fly in the future.

It is always stunning to me how many parents believe that all children are like their child and their child dies something convenient (like wear headphones or nap anywhere) because they are just the greatest gd parents that ever existed

Did you try having your kid wear headphones when getting screentime from the outset? No? Then maybe it’s not just my kid. I’m willing to believe she’s a unicorn but weirdly this is a tip that I got from a ton of parents who had to fly long distances for work with their families…

Alternatively if you don’t give your kid screentime they can’t freak out for it on a plane.

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Anonymous wrote:This is actually one of the reasons we are very strict about screen time. Because when you *need* to press the easy button it has to work, and if your kid thinks you get to have it your own way just by yelling…they yell.

So yes from 18M my daughter wore baby headband sound limited headphones for all of her 3min of screen time. So when we had to fly 16 hours for work, she had no expectation of getting an iPad without headphones. She would also probably have accepted it with the sound off.

I know it’s too late for the people who are already on the plane to go back and do this but it’s not too late for people with little kids who think they’ll fly in the future.

It is always stunning to me how many parents believe that all children are like their child and their child dies something convenient (like wear headphones or nap anywhere) because they are just the greatest gd parents that ever existed

Did you try having your kid wear headphones when getting screentime from the outset? No? Then maybe it’s not just my kid. I’m willing to believe she’s a unicorn but weirdly this is a tip that I got from a ton of parents who had to fly long distances for work with their families…

Alternatively if you don’t give your kid screentime they can’t freak out for it on a plane.

People who have one kid are the worst about this. Yup every good outcome is from your inputs. 100%

Meanwhile my ADHD/sensory processing issue kid could never wear headphones or earbuds even once but sure. It’s your genius parenting! You should write a book!

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Anonymous wrote:Just so I understand, would people prefer if I sing aloud all the coco melon songs while my toddler watches on silent?

Ha. I remember one flight (very, delayed we had been in the airport for hours) the flight attendant walked past us and then noticed visually that my son was holding an iPad on very very low. She insisted we put headphones on him which he was not having so I put on subtitles and read them. That’s apparently fine. We were far quieter than the drunk guy in front of us…

For some reason, which I'm sure science can explain, certain sounds are more intrusive and annoying. People talking on cell phones are worse than people talking to their neighbor. The noise from electronic devices is more annoying that a normal conversation. Reading to your kid is less irritating than your kid's show.

Well the cell phone issue is that people talk loudly when they talk on the phone, not "noise from electronic devices"

There's also something about hearing only one side of a conversation.

Wow. Creepy.

Not sure what's creepy about it? I read an article a while back that discussed how hearing only one side of a conversation is more irritating, possibly because your brain tries to fill in the gaps or something.

I don't listen to people's private conversations. Do you?

NP and I love eavesdropping and people watching while in public.

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Anonymous wrote:This is actually one of the reasons we are very strict about screen time. Because when you *need* to press the easy button it has to work, and if your kid thinks you get to have it your own way just by yelling…they yell.

So yes from 18M my daughter wore baby headband sound limited headphones for all of her 3min of screen time. So when we had to fly 16 hours for work, she had no expectation of getting an iPad without headphones. She would also probably have accepted it with the sound off.

I know it’s too late for the people who are already on the plane to go back and do this but it’s not too late for people with little kids who think they’ll fly in the future.

It is always stunning to me how many parents believe that all children are like their child and their child dies something convenient (like wear headphones or nap anywhere) because they are just the greatest gd parents that ever existed

Did you try having your kid wear headphones when getting screentime from the outset? No? Then maybe it’s not just my kid. I’m willing to believe she’s a unicorn but weirdly this is a tip that I got from a ton of parents who had to fly long distances for work with their families…

Alternatively if you don’t give your kid screentime they can’t freak out for it on a plane.

My child doesn't demand or "freak out for" screen time on a plane. Does yours?

The screen is something we bring out when it becomes impossible to otherwise entertain her with everything else we have brought. She doesn't ask for it, but it comes in handy.

My child has always resisted wearing things on her head, including hats, sunglasses, and headphones, since she was very little. Sorry to disappoint you.

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Anonymous wrote:This is actually one of the reasons we are very strict about screen time. Because when you *need* to press the easy button it has to work, and if your kid thinks you get to have it your own way just by yelling…they yell.

So yes from 18M my daughter wore baby headband sound limited headphones for all of her 3min of screen time. So when we had to fly 16 hours for work, she had no expectation of getting an iPad without headphones. She would also probably have accepted it with the sound off.

I know it’s too late for the people who are already on the plane to go back and do this but it’s not too late for people with little kids who think they’ll fly in the future.

It is always stunning to me how many parents believe that all children are like their child and their child dies something convenient (like wear headphones or nap anywhere) because they are just the greatest gd parents that ever existed

Did you try having your kid wear headphones when getting screentime from the outset? No? Then maybe it’s not just my kid. I’m willing to believe she’s a unicorn but weirdly this is a tip that I got from a ton of parents who had to fly long distances for work with their families…

Alternatively if you don’t give your kid screentime they can’t freak out for it on a plane.

My child doesn't demand or "freak out for" screen time on a plane. Does yours?

The screen is something we bring out when it becomes impossible to otherwise entertain her with everything else we have brought. She doesn't ask for it, but it comes in handy.

My child has always resisted wearing things on her head, including hats, sunglasses, and headphones, since she was very little. Sorry to disappoint you.

If you’re the poster saying that everyone has the choice of listening to cocomelon or their child screaming, yes they do. If it is “impossible” to entertain your child without a screen with the sound on, yes they do. If not, obviously this isn’t a problem you’re facing and I don’t know what your particular problem is with someone passing on advice that has worked for them AND many others even caveating that it won’t work for everyone.

If you’re embarrassed by your parenting do better, don’t get mad on the internet when someone gives advice you either never got or didn’t want to take.

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Anonymous wrote:This is actually one of the reasons we are very strict about screen time. Because when you *need* to press the easy button it has to work, and if your kid thinks you get to have it your own way just by yelling…they yell.

So yes from 18M my daughter wore baby headband sound limited headphones for all of her 3min of screen time. So when we had to fly 16 hours for work, she had no expectation of getting an iPad without headphones. She would also probably have accepted it with the sound off.

I know it’s too late for the people who are already on the plane to go back and do this but it’s not too late for people with little kids who think they’ll fly in the future.

It is always stunning to me how many parents believe that all children are like their child and their child dies something convenient (like wear headphones or nap anywhere) because they are just the greatest gd parents that ever existed

Did you try having your kid wear headphones when getting screentime from the outset? No? Then maybe it’s not just my kid. I’m willing to believe she’s a unicorn but weirdly this is a tip that I got from a ton of parents who had to fly long distances for work with their families…

Alternatively if you don’t give your kid screentime they can’t freak out for it on a plane.

People who have one kid are the worst about this. Yup every good outcome is from your inputs. 100%

Meanwhile my ADHD/sensory processing issue kid could never wear headphones or earbuds even once but sure. It’s your genius parenting! You should write a book!

Yup it’s almost like I tried something that had been suggested to me by parents of multiples…amazing how that is only possible for us parents of one.

No one is making your kid wear headphones, because no one is making you rely on a screen to entertain them.

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Anonymous wrote:This is actually one of the reasons we are very strict about screen time. Because when you *need* to press the easy button it has to work, and if your kid thinks you get to have it your own way just by yelling…they yell.

So yes from 18M my daughter wore baby headband sound limited headphones for all of her 3min of screen time. So when we had to fly 16 hours for work, she had no expectation of getting an iPad without headphones. She would also probably have accepted it with the sound off.

I know it’s too late for the people who are already on the plane to go back and do this but it’s not too late for people with little kids who think they’ll fly in the future.

It is always stunning to me how many parents believe that all children are like their child and their child dies something convenient (like wear headphones or nap anywhere) because they are just the greatest gd parents that ever existed

Did you try having your kid wear headphones when getting screentime from the outset? No? Then maybe it’s not just my kid. I’m willing to believe she’s a unicorn but weirdly this is a tip that I got from a ton of parents who had to fly long distances for work with their families…

Alternatively if you don’t give your kid screentime they can’t freak out for it on a plane.

People who have one kid are the worst about this. Yup every good outcome is from your inputs. 100%

Meanwhile my ADHD/sensory processing issue kid could never wear headphones or earbuds even once but sure. It’s your genius parenting! You should write a book!

Yup it’s almost like I tried something that had been suggested to me by parents of multiples…amazing how that is only possible for us parents of one.

No one is making your kid wear headphones, because no one is making you rely on a screen to entertain them.

No one is making me do anything, and I’m honestly not even curious about your takes on these things. You’re the one in here offering unsolicited advice. I’m a mom of 3, I don’t need any of your advice at all.

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Anonymous wrote:The Atlantic just had an article on this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/12/parents-flying-with-baby-children-crying-airplane-travel/672523/

Consider that the parents with kids without headphones aren't trying to be inconsiderate jerks, they're actually trying their best to keep their kid quite in challenging circumstances.

I read the article. I understand that traveling with young kids is difficult but still think that parents should at least bring headphones and try to get kids to wear them. If it doesn't work out, try to keep the volume at a reasonable level, or even better, apologize to the people around you for the noise. As to the author's example of a kid enjoying banging the tray table, if the parent apologized for the disturbance, I would be much more likely to say, "No worries, the child is just having fun. I don't mind at all." However, if my seat is continuously kicked or banged for hours on end with no acknowledgment of the intrusion, I will probably judge the parent for being an inconsiderate jerk.

So we should pack headphones we know our child won't wear so we can performatively try to get our child to wear them in front of you?

Turn it down, A-hole.

They can wear headphones or watch it muted or just not watch the iPad/phone/whatever.

-parent of 2 young kids…it’s hard to keep them occupied on a plane but it’s not acceptable to just subject other passengers to listening to your noise

If your kids wear headphones, that's fantastic. Mine does not. You can insist that she would if I were just a better parent, but that's your fantasy, not reality.

Pp you’re responding to but I wouldn’t say that about your or anyone bc of an issue like this. I don’t think you’re a bad parent if your kid doesn’t want to wear headphones (you can’t force your kid to wear headphones). But I do think you’re a bad parent if you allow your kid to disturb others on a flight.