PSA: Please bring…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is actually one of the reasons we are very strict about screen time. Because when you *need* to press the easy button it has to work, and if your kid thinks you get to have it your own way just by yelling…they yell.

So yes from 18M my daughter wore baby headband sound limited headphones for all of her 3min of screen time. So when we had to fly 16 hours for work, she had no expectation of getting an iPad without headphones. She would also probably have accepted it with the sound off.

I know it’s too late for the people who are already on the plane to go back and do this but it’s not too late for people with little kids who think they’ll fly in the future.

It is always stunning to me how many parents believe that all children are like their child and their child dies something convenient (like wear headphones or nap anywhere) because they are just the greatest gd parents that ever existed

Did you try having your kid wear headphones when getting screentime from the outset? No? Then maybe it’s not just my kid. I’m willing to believe she’s a unicorn but weirdly this is a tip that I got from a ton of parents who had to fly long distances for work with their families…

Alternatively if you don’t give your kid screentime they can’t freak out for it on a plane.

People who have one kid are the worst about this. Yup every good outcome is from your inputs. 100%

Meanwhile my ADHD/sensory processing issue kid could never wear headphones or earbuds even once but sure. It’s your genius parenting! You should write a book!

Yup it’s almost like I tried something that had been suggested to me by parents of multiples…amazing how that is only possible for us parents of one.

No one is making your kid wear headphones, because no one is making you rely on a screen to entertain them.

No one is making me do anything, and I’m honestly not even curious about your takes on these things. You’re the one in here offering unsolicited advice. I’m a mom of 3, I don’t need any of your advice at all.

Then feel free to ignore it. Obviously someone who can expect their child to behave with civility in a plane is very triggering for you and there’s no need to get upset.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Atlantic just had an article on this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/12/parents-flying-with-baby-children-crying-airplane-travel/672523/

Consider that the parents with kids without headphones aren't trying to be inconsiderate jerks, they're actually trying their best to keep their kid quite in challenging circumstances.

I read the article. I understand that traveling with young kids is difficult but still think that parents should at least bring headphones and try to get kids to wear them. If it doesn't work out, try to keep the volume at a reasonable level, or even better, apologize to the people around you for the noise. As to the author's example of a kid enjoying banging the tray table, if the parent apologized for the disturbance, I would be much more likely to say, "No worries, the child is just having fun. I don't mind at all." However, if my seat is continuously kicked or banged for hours on end with no acknowledgment of the intrusion, I will probably judge the parent for being an inconsiderate jerk.

So we should pack headphones we know our child won't wear so we can performatively try to get our child to wear them in front of you?

Turn it down, A-hole.

They can wear headphones or watch it muted or just not watch the iPad/phone/whatever.

-parent of 2 young kids…it’s hard to keep them occupied on a plane but it’s not acceptable to just subject other passengers to listening to your noise

If your kids wear headphones, that's fantastic. Mine does not. You can insist that she would if I were just a better parent, but that's your fantasy, not reality.

Pp you’re responding to but I wouldn’t say that about your or anyone bc of an issue like this. I don’t think you’re a bad parent if your kid doesn’t want to wear headphones (you can’t force your kid to wear headphones). But I do think you’re a bad parent if you allow your kid to disturb others on a flight.

By the time we put on the screen I suspect most around us are relieved even if they can hear some muffled music behind the white noise. If I had to guess it is not the screen that bother people, it is my child.

[Anonymous]

The only time I’ve seen a parent absolutely refuse to make their kid mute an iPad, the flight attendants moved the kid and a parent to the back of the plane where it’s noisier anyway and people are constantly disturbed by the bathroom doors anyway. They gave drink coupons to the people who had been seated near them and everyone seemed happier (except of course the parent and kid who were subsequently the last to get off the plane but **shrug** at least he was allowed to play his video game?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Atlantic just had an article on this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/12/parents-flying-with-baby-children-crying-airplane-travel/672523/

Consider that the parents with kids without headphones aren't trying to be inconsiderate jerks, they're actually trying their best to keep their kid quite in challenging circumstances.

I read the article. I understand that traveling with young kids is difficult but still think that parents should at least bring headphones and try to get kids to wear them. If it doesn't work out, try to keep the volume at a reasonable level, or even better, apologize to the people around you for the noise. As to the author's example of a kid enjoying banging the tray table, if the parent apologized for the disturbance, I would be much more likely to say, "No worries, the child is just having fun. I don't mind at all." However, if my seat is continuously kicked or banged for hours on end with no acknowledgment of the intrusion, I will probably judge the parent for being an inconsiderate jerk.

So we should pack headphones we know our child won't wear so we can performatively try to get our child to wear them in front of you?

Turn it down, A-hole.

They can wear headphones or watch it muted or just not watch the iPad/phone/whatever.

-parent of 2 young kids…it’s hard to keep them occupied on a plane but it’s not acceptable to just subject other passengers to listening to your noise

If your kids wear headphones, that's fantastic. Mine does not. You can insist that she would if I were just a better parent, but that's your fantasy, not reality.

Pp you’re responding to but I wouldn’t say that about your or anyone bc of an issue like this. I don’t think you’re a bad parent if your kid doesn’t want to wear headphones (you can’t force your kid to wear headphones). But I do think you’re a bad parent if you allow your kid to disturb others on a flight.

By the time we put on the screen I suspect most around us are relieved even if they can hear some muffled music behind the white noise. If I had to guess it is not the screen that bother people, it is my child.

I don’t think this is true. Adults with unmuted devices are just as bothersome.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Atlantic just had an article on this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/12/parents-flying-with-baby-children-crying-airplane-travel/672523/

Consider that the parents with kids without headphones aren't trying to be inconsiderate jerks, they're actually trying their best to keep their kid quite in challenging circumstances.

I read the article. I understand that traveling with young kids is difficult but still think that parents should at least bring headphones and try to get kids to wear them. If it doesn't work out, try to keep the volume at a reasonable level, or even better, apologize to the people around you for the noise. As to the author's example of a kid enjoying banging the tray table, if the parent apologized for the disturbance, I would be much more likely to say, "No worries, the child is just having fun. I don't mind at all." However, if my seat is continuously kicked or banged for hours on end with no acknowledgment of the intrusion, I will probably judge the parent for being an inconsiderate jerk.

So we should pack headphones we know our child won't wear so we can performatively try to get our child to wear them in front of you?

Turn it down, A-hole.

They can wear headphones or watch it muted or just not watch the iPad/phone/whatever.

-parent of 2 young kids…it’s hard to keep them occupied on a plane but it’s not acceptable to just subject other passengers to listening to your noise

If your kids wear headphones, that's fantastic. Mine does not. You can insist that she would if I were just a better parent, but that's your fantasy, not reality.

Pp you’re responding to but I wouldn’t say that about your or anyone bc of an issue like this. I don’t think you’re a bad parent if your kid doesn’t want to wear headphones (you can’t force your kid to wear headphones). But I do think you’re a bad parent if you allow your kid to disturb others on a flight.

By the time we put on the screen I suspect most around us are relieved even if they can hear some muffled music behind the white noise. If I had to guess it is not the screen that bother people, it is my child.

I don’t think this is true. Adults with unmuted devices are just as bothersome.

You don't understand. Nobody has ever complained to us about the video or accompanying noise. Maybe they all just silently seething or posting on social media about it like OP (you know, the adult thing to do) but my guess is after listening to us play with our 3 yo for hours, sing to her, bring out different toys, etc and she has started getting whiny, they are relieved when she quiets down a bit, even if it comes with a bit of music. Since I can't read minds I can only guess at what people around me prefer.

I'm not embarrassed that my child can't sit quietly for 5 hours. What kind of parent would be? Who expects that out of a toddler?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Atlantic just had an article on this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/12/parents-flying-with-baby-children-crying-airplane-travel/672523/

Consider that the parents with kids without headphones aren't trying to be inconsiderate jerks, they're actually trying their best to keep their kid quite in challenging circumstances.

I read the article. I understand that traveling with young kids is difficult but still think that parents should at least bring headphones and try to get kids to wear them. If it doesn't work out, try to keep the volume at a reasonable level, or even better, apologize to the people around you for the noise. As to the author's example of a kid enjoying banging the tray table, if the parent apologized for the disturbance, I would be much more likely to say, "No worries, the child is just having fun. I don't mind at all." However, if my seat is continuously kicked or banged for hours on end with no acknowledgment of the intrusion, I will probably judge the parent for being an inconsiderate jerk.

So we should pack headphones we know our child won't wear so we can performatively try to get our child to wear them in front of you?

Turn it down, A-hole.

They can wear headphones or watch it muted or just not watch the iPad/phone/whatever.

-parent of 2 young kids…it’s hard to keep them occupied on a plane but it’s not acceptable to just subject other passengers to listening to your noise

If your kids wear headphones, that's fantastic. Mine does not. You can insist that she would if I were just a better parent, but that's your fantasy, not reality.

Pp you’re responding to but I wouldn’t say that about your or anyone bc of an issue like this. I don’t think you’re a bad parent if your kid doesn’t want to wear headphones (you can’t force your kid to wear headphones). But I do think you’re a bad parent if you allow your kid to disturb others on a flight.

By the time we put on the screen I suspect most around us are relieved even if they can hear some muffled music behind the white noise. If I had to guess it is not the screen that bother people, it is my child.

I don’t think this is true. Adults with unmuted devices are just as bothersome.

You don't understand. Nobody has ever complained to us about the video or accompanying noise. Maybe they all just silently seething or posting on social media about it like OP (you know, the adult thing to do) but my guess is after listening to us play with our 3 yo for hours, sing to her, bring out different toys, etc and she has started getting whiny, they are relieved when she quiets down a bit, even if it comes with a bit of music. Since I can't read minds I can only guess at what people around me prefer.

I'm not embarrassed that my child can't sit quietly for 5 hours. What kind of parent would be? Who expects that out of a toddler?

You may be right that people prefer the kids’ iPad noise to the kid being whiny/screaming. But that’s not the only alternative. The other choice is to MAKE YOUR KID WEAR HEADPHONES WHEN ON THEIR DEVICE.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Atlantic just had an article on this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/12/parents-flying-with-baby-children-crying-airplane-travel/672523/

Consider that the parents with kids without headphones aren't trying to be inconsiderate jerks, they're actually trying their best to keep their kid quite in challenging circumstances.

I read the article. I understand that traveling with young kids is difficult but still think that parents should at least bring headphones and try to get kids to wear them. If it doesn't work out, try to keep the volume at a reasonable level, or even better, apologize to the people around you for the noise. As to the author's example of a kid enjoying banging the tray table, if the parent apologized for the disturbance, I would be much more likely to say, "No worries, the child is just having fun. I don't mind at all." However, if my seat is continuously kicked or banged for hours on end with no acknowledgment of the intrusion, I will probably judge the parent for being an inconsiderate jerk.

So we should pack headphones we know our child won't wear so we can performatively try to get our child to wear them in front of you?

Turn it down, A-hole.

They can wear headphones or watch it muted or just not watch the iPad/phone/whatever.

-parent of 2 young kids…it’s hard to keep them occupied on a plane but it’s not acceptable to just subject other passengers to listening to your noise

If your kids wear headphones, that's fantastic. Mine does not. You can insist that she would if I were just a better parent, but that's your fantasy, not reality.

Pp you’re responding to but I wouldn’t say that about your or anyone bc of an issue like this. I don’t think you’re a bad parent if your kid doesn’t want to wear headphones (you can’t force your kid to wear headphones). But I do think you’re a bad parent if you allow your kid to disturb others on a flight.

By the time we put on the screen I suspect most around us are relieved even if they can hear some muffled music behind the white noise. If I had to guess it is not the screen that bother people, it is my child.

I don’t think this is true. Adults with unmuted devices are just as bothersome.

You don't understand. Nobody has ever complained to us about the video or accompanying noise. Maybe they all just silently seething or posting on social media about it like OP (you know, the adult thing to do) but my guess is after listening to us play with our 3 yo for hours, sing to her, bring out different toys, etc and she has started getting whiny, they are relieved when she quiets down a bit, even if it comes with a bit of music. Since I can't read minds I can only guess at what people around me prefer.

I'm not embarrassed that my child can't sit quietly for 5 hours. What kind of parent would be? Who expects that out of a toddler?

You may be right that people prefer the kids’ iPad noise to the kid being whiny/screaming. But that’s not the only alternative. The other choice is to MAKE YOUR KID WEAR HEADPHONES WHEN ON THEIR DEVICE.

If you refuse to understand that some children will not wear headphones you deserve all the aggravation that this is clearly causing you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Atlantic just had an article on this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/12/parents-flying-with-baby-children-crying-airplane-travel/672523/

Consider that the parents with kids without headphones aren't trying to be inconsiderate jerks, they're actually trying their best to keep their kid quite in challenging circumstances.

I read the article. I understand that traveling with young kids is difficult but still think that parents should at least bring headphones and try to get kids to wear them. If it doesn't work out, try to keep the volume at a reasonable level, or even better, apologize to the people around you for the noise. As to the author's example of a kid enjoying banging the tray table, if the parent apologized for the disturbance, I would be much more likely to say, "No worries, the child is just having fun. I don't mind at all." However, if my seat is continuously kicked or banged for hours on end with no acknowledgment of the intrusion, I will probably judge the parent for being an inconsiderate jerk.

So we should pack headphones we know our child won't wear so we can performatively try to get our child to wear them in front of you?

Turn it down, A-hole.

They can wear headphones or watch it muted or just not watch the iPad/phone/whatever.

-parent of 2 young kids…it’s hard to keep them occupied on a plane but it’s not acceptable to just subject other passengers to listening to your noise

If your kids wear headphones, that's fantastic. Mine does not. You can insist that she would if I were just a better parent, but that's your fantasy, not reality.

Pp you’re responding to but I wouldn’t say that about your or anyone bc of an issue like this. I don’t think you’re a bad parent if your kid doesn’t want to wear headphones (you can’t force your kid to wear headphones). But I do think you’re a bad parent if you allow your kid to disturb others on a flight.

By the time we put on the screen I suspect most around us are relieved even if they can hear some muffled music behind the white noise. If I had to guess it is not the screen that bother people, it is my child.

I don’t think this is true. Adults with unmuted devices are just as bothersome.

You don't understand. Nobody has ever complained to us about the video or accompanying noise. Maybe they all just silently seething or posting on social media about it like OP (you know, the adult thing to do) but my guess is after listening to us play with our 3 yo for hours, sing to her, bring out different toys, etc and she has started getting whiny, they are relieved when she quiets down a bit, even if it comes with a bit of music. Since I can't read minds I can only guess at what people around me prefer.

I'm not embarrassed that my child can't sit quietly for 5 hours. What kind of parent would be? Who expects that out of a toddler?

You may be right that people prefer the kids’ iPad noise to the kid being whiny/screaming. But that’s not the only alternative. The other choice is to MAKE YOUR KID WEAR HEADPHONES WHEN ON THEIR DEVICE.

If you refuse to understand that some children will not wear headphones you deserve all the aggravation that this is clearly causing you.

DP. I don’t think anyone doesn’t understand that some kids don’t prefer headphones, but those are children who need to be entertained by something other than a noisy tablet when in public.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Atlantic just had an article on this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/12/parents-flying-with-baby-children-crying-airplane-travel/672523/

Consider that the parents with kids without headphones aren't trying to be inconsiderate jerks, they're actually trying their best to keep their kid quite in challenging circumstances.

I read the article. I understand that traveling with young kids is difficult but still think that parents should at least bring headphones and try to get kids to wear them. If it doesn't work out, try to keep the volume at a reasonable level, or even better, apologize to the people around you for the noise. As to the author's example of a kid enjoying banging the tray table, if the parent apologized for the disturbance, I would be much more likely to say, "No worries, the child is just having fun. I don't mind at all." However, if my seat is continuously kicked or banged for hours on end with no acknowledgment of the intrusion, I will probably judge the parent for being an inconsiderate jerk.

So we should pack headphones we know our child won't wear so we can performatively try to get our child to wear them in front of you?

Turn it down, A-hole.

They can wear headphones or watch it muted or just not watch the iPad/phone/whatever.

-parent of 2 young kids…it’s hard to keep them occupied on a plane but it’s not acceptable to just subject other passengers to listening to your noise

If your kids wear headphones, that's fantastic. Mine does not. You can insist that she would if I were just a better parent, but that's your fantasy, not reality.

Pp you’re responding to but I wouldn’t say that about your or anyone bc of an issue like this. I don’t think you’re a bad parent if your kid doesn’t want to wear headphones (you can’t force your kid to wear headphones). But I do think you’re a bad parent if you allow your kid to disturb others on a flight.

By the time we put on the screen I suspect most around us are relieved even if they can hear some muffled music behind the white noise. If I had to guess it is not the screen that bother people, it is my child.

I don’t think this is true. Adults with unmuted devices are just as bothersome.

You don't understand. Nobody has ever complained to us about the video or accompanying noise. Maybe they all just silently seething or posting on social media about it like OP (you know, the adult thing to do) but my guess is after listening to us play with our 3 yo for hours, sing to her, bring out different toys, etc and she has started getting whiny, they are relieved when she quiets down a bit, even if it comes with a bit of music. Since I can't read minds I can only guess at what people around me prefer.

I'm not embarrassed that my child can't sit quietly for 5 hours. What kind of parent would be? Who expects that out of a toddler?

You may be right that people prefer the kids’ iPad noise to the kid being whiny/screaming. But that’s not the only alternative. The other choice is to MAKE YOUR KID WEAR HEADPHONES WHEN ON THEIR DEVICE.

If you refuse to understand that some children will not wear headphones you deserve all the aggravation that this is clearly causing you.

DP. I don’t think anyone doesn’t understand that some kids don’t prefer headphones, but those are children who need to be entertained by something other than a noisy tablet when in public.

Then those people need to read the conversation above, and if they still feel determined to get worked up about this then I cannot help you.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Atlantic just had an article on this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/12/parents-flying-with-baby-children-crying-airplane-travel/672523/

Consider that the parents with kids without headphones aren't trying to be inconsiderate jerks, they're actually trying their best to keep their kid quite in challenging circumstances.

I read the article. I understand that traveling with young kids is difficult but still think that parents should at least bring headphones and try to get kids to wear them. If it doesn't work out, try to keep the volume at a reasonable level, or even better, apologize to the people around you for the noise. As to the author's example of a kid enjoying banging the tray table, if the parent apologized for the disturbance, I would be much more likely to say, "No worries, the child is just having fun. I don't mind at all." However, if my seat is continuously kicked or banged for hours on end with no acknowledgment of the intrusion, I will probably judge the parent for being an inconsiderate jerk.

So we should pack headphones we know our child won't wear so we can performatively try to get our child to wear them in front of you?

Turn it down, A-hole.

They can wear headphones or watch it muted or just not watch the iPad/phone/whatever.

-parent of 2 young kids…it’s hard to keep them occupied on a plane but it’s not acceptable to just subject other passengers to listening to your noise

If your kids wear headphones, that's fantastic. Mine does not. You can insist that she would if I were just a better parent, but that's your fantasy, not reality.

Pp you’re responding to but I wouldn’t say that about your or anyone bc of an issue like this. I don’t think you’re a bad parent if your kid doesn’t want to wear headphones (you can’t force your kid to wear headphones). But I do think you’re a bad parent if you allow your kid to disturb others on a flight.

By the time we put on the screen I suspect most around us are relieved even if they can hear some muffled music behind the white noise. If I had to guess it is not the screen that bother people, it is my child.

I don’t think this is true. Adults with unmuted devices are just as bothersome.

You don't understand. Nobody has ever complained to us about the video or accompanying noise. Maybe they all just silently seething or posting on social media about it like OP (you know, the adult thing to do) but my guess is after listening to us play with our 3 yo for hours, sing to her, bring out different toys, etc and she has started getting whiny, they are relieved when she quiets down a bit, even if it comes with a bit of music. Since I can't read minds I can only guess at what people around me prefer.

I'm not embarrassed that my child can't sit quietly for 5 hours. What kind of parent would be? Who expects that out of a toddler?

You may be right that people prefer the kids’ iPad noise to the kid being whiny/screaming. But that’s not the only alternative. The other choice is to MAKE YOUR KID WEAR HEADPHONES WHEN ON THEIR DEVICE.

If you refuse to understand that some children will not wear headphones you deserve all the aggravation that this is clearly causing you.

DP. I don’t think anyone doesn’t understand that some kids don’t prefer headphones, but those are children who need to be entertained by something other than a noisy tablet when in public.

Then those people need to read the conversation above, and if they still feel determined to get worked up about this then I cannot help you.

You mean the conversation in which everyone believes their kid can’t be expected to behave because “reasons”?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Atlantic just had an article on this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/12/parents-flying-with-baby-children-crying-airplane-travel/672523/

Consider that the parents with kids without headphones aren't trying to be inconsiderate jerks, they're actually trying their best to keep their kid quite in challenging circumstances.

I read the article. I understand that traveling with young kids is difficult but still think that parents should at least bring headphones and try to get kids to wear them. If it doesn't work out, try to keep the volume at a reasonable level, or even better, apologize to the people around you for the noise. As to the author's example of a kid enjoying banging the tray table, if the parent apologized for the disturbance, I would be much more likely to say, "No worries, the child is just having fun. I don't mind at all." However, if my seat is continuously kicked or banged for hours on end with no acknowledgment of the intrusion, I will probably judge the parent for being an inconsiderate jerk.

So we should pack headphones we know our child won't wear so we can performatively try to get our child to wear them in front of you?

Turn it down, A-hole.

They can wear headphones or watch it muted or just not watch the iPad/phone/whatever.

-parent of 2 young kids…it’s hard to keep them occupied on a plane but it’s not acceptable to just subject other passengers to listening to your noise

If your kids wear headphones, that's fantastic. Mine does not. You can insist that she would if I were just a better parent, but that's your fantasy, not reality.

Pp you’re responding to but I wouldn’t say that about your or anyone bc of an issue like this. I don’t think you’re a bad parent if your kid doesn’t want to wear headphones (you can’t force your kid to wear headphones). But I do think you’re a bad parent if you allow your kid to disturb others on a flight.

By the time we put on the screen I suspect most around us are relieved even if they can hear some muffled music behind the white noise. If I had to guess it is not the screen that bother people, it is my child.

I don’t think this is true. Adults with unmuted devices are just as bothersome.

You don't understand. Nobody has ever complained to us about the video or accompanying noise. Maybe they all just silently seething or posting on social media about it like OP (you know, the adult thing to do) but my guess is after listening to us play with our 3 yo for hours, sing to her, bring out different toys, etc and she has started getting whiny, they are relieved when she quiets down a bit, even if it comes with a bit of music. Since I can't read minds I can only guess at what people around me prefer.

I'm not embarrassed that my child can't sit quietly for 5 hours. What kind of parent would be? Who expects that out of a toddler?

You may be right that people prefer the kids’ iPad noise to the kid being whiny/screaming. But that’s not the only alternative. The other choice is to MAKE YOUR KID WEAR HEADPHONES WHEN ON THEIR DEVICE.

If you refuse to understand that some children will not wear headphones you deserve all the aggravation that this is clearly causing you.

DP. I don’t think anyone doesn’t understand that some kids don’t prefer headphones, but those are children who need to be entertained by something other than a noisy tablet when in public.

Then those people need to read the conversation above, and if they still feel determined to get worked up about this then I cannot help you.

You mean the conversation in which everyone believes their kid can’t be expected to behave because “reasons”?

Nobody actually thinks toddlers should be able to sit quietly for 5 hours. Troll.

[Anonymous]

Air travel is getting harder for everyone. Expecting someone who has done the work to keep their kids quiet to listen to your kids iPad is pretty sociopathic. I expect there to be an uptick in parents with kids like this being asked to leave planes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Atlantic just had an article on this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/12/parents-flying-with-baby-children-crying-airplane-travel/672523/

Consider that the parents with kids without headphones aren't trying to be inconsiderate jerks, they're actually trying their best to keep their kid quite in challenging circumstances.

I read the article. I understand that traveling with young kids is difficult but still think that parents should at least bring headphones and try to get kids to wear them. If it doesn't work out, try to keep the volume at a reasonable level, or even better, apologize to the people around you for the noise. As to the author's example of a kid enjoying banging the tray table, if the parent apologized for the disturbance, I would be much more likely to say, "No worries, the child is just having fun. I don't mind at all." However, if my seat is continuously kicked or banged for hours on end with no acknowledgment of the intrusion, I will probably judge the parent for being an inconsiderate jerk.

So we should pack headphones we know our child won't wear so we can performatively try to get our child to wear them in front of you?

Turn it down, A-hole.

They can wear headphones or watch it muted or just not watch the iPad/phone/whatever.

-parent of 2 young kids…it’s hard to keep them occupied on a plane but it’s not acceptable to just subject other passengers to listening to your noise

If your kids wear headphones, that's fantastic. Mine does not. You can insist that she would if I were just a better parent, but that's your fantasy, not reality.

Pp you’re responding to but I wouldn’t say that about your or anyone bc of an issue like this. I don’t think you’re a bad parent if your kid doesn’t want to wear headphones (you can’t force your kid to wear headphones). But I do think you’re a bad parent if you allow your kid to disturb others on a flight.

By the time we put on the screen I suspect most around us are relieved even if they can hear some muffled music behind the white noise. If I had to guess it is not the screen that bother people, it is my child.

I don’t think this is true. Adults with unmuted devices are just as bothersome.

You don't understand. Nobody has ever complained to us about the video or accompanying noise. Maybe they all just silently seething or posting on social media about it like OP (you know, the adult thing to do) but my guess is after listening to us play with our 3 yo for hours, sing to her, bring out different toys, etc and she has started getting whiny, they are relieved when she quiets down a bit, even if it comes with a bit of music. Since I can't read minds I can only guess at what people around me prefer.

I'm not embarrassed that my child can't sit quietly for 5 hours. What kind of parent would be? Who expects that out of a toddler?

You may be right that people prefer the kids’ iPad noise to the kid being whiny/screaming. But that’s not the only alternative. The other choice is to MAKE YOUR KID WEAR HEADPHONES WHEN ON THEIR DEVICE.

If you refuse to understand that some children will not wear headphones you deserve all the aggravation that this is clearly causing you.

DP. I don’t think anyone doesn’t understand that some kids don’t prefer headphones, but those are children who need to be entertained by something other than a noisy tablet when in public.

Then those people need to read the conversation above, and if they still feel determined to get worked up about this then I cannot help you.

You mean the conversation in which everyone believes their kid can’t be expected to behave because “reasons”?

Nobody actually thinks toddlers should be able to sit quietly for 5 hours. Troll.

Sit quietly? No. Require an unmuted iPad as their only possible means of entertainment? Also no. Just own the laziness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Atlantic just had an article on this today: https://www.theatlantic.com/family/archive/2022/12/parents-flying-with-baby-children-crying-airplane-travel/672523/

Consider that the parents with kids without headphones aren't trying to be inconsiderate jerks, they're actually trying their best to keep their kid quite in challenging circumstances.

I read the article. I understand that traveling with young kids is difficult but still think that parents should at least bring headphones and try to get kids to wear them. If it doesn't work out, try to keep the volume at a reasonable level, or even better, apologize to the people around you for the noise. As to the author's example of a kid enjoying banging the tray table, if the parent apologized for the disturbance, I would be much more likely to say, "No worries, the child is just having fun. I don't mind at all." However, if my seat is continuously kicked or banged for hours on end with no acknowledgment of the intrusion, I will probably judge the parent for being an inconsiderate jerk.

So we should pack headphones we know our child won't wear so we can performatively try to get our child to wear them in front of you?

Turn it down, A-hole.

They can wear headphones or watch it muted or just not watch the iPad/phone/whatever.

-parent of 2 young kids…it’s hard to keep them occupied on a plane but it’s not acceptable to just subject other passengers to listening to your noise

If your kids wear headphones, that's fantastic. Mine does not. You can insist that she would if I were just a better parent, but that's your fantasy, not reality.

Pp you’re responding to but I wouldn’t say that about your or anyone bc of an issue like this. I don’t think you’re a bad parent if your kid doesn’t want to wear headphones (you can’t force your kid to wear headphones). But I do think you’re a bad parent if you allow your kid to disturb others on a flight.

By the time we put on the screen I suspect most around us are relieved even if they can hear some muffled music behind the white noise. If I had to guess it is not the screen that bother people, it is my child.

I don’t think this is true. Adults with unmuted devices are just as bothersome.

You don't understand. Nobody has ever complained to us about the video or accompanying noise. Maybe they all just silently seething or posting on social media about it like OP (you know, the adult thing to do) but my guess is after listening to us play with our 3 yo for hours, sing to her, bring out different toys, etc and she has started getting whiny, they are relieved when she quiets down a bit, even if it comes with a bit of music. Since I can't read minds I can only guess at what people around me prefer.

I'm not embarrassed that my child can't sit quietly for 5 hours. What kind of parent would be? Who expects that out of a toddler?

You may be right that people prefer the kids’ iPad noise to the kid being whiny/screaming. But that’s not the only alternative. The other choice is to MAKE YOUR KID WEAR HEADPHONES WHEN ON THEIR DEVICE.

If you refuse to understand that some children will not wear headphones you deserve all the aggravation that this is clearly causing you.

DP. I don’t think anyone doesn’t understand that some kids don’t prefer headphones, but those are children who need to be entertained by something other than a noisy tablet when in public.

Then those people need to read the conversation above, and if they still feel determined to get worked up about this then I cannot help you.

You mean the conversation in which everyone believes their kid can’t be expected to behave because “reasons”?

Nobody actually thinks toddlers should be able to sit quietly for 5 hours. Troll.

Sit quietly? No. Require an unmuted iPad as their only possible means of entertainment? Also no. Just own the laziness.

For one hour of a five hour flight trust me the other passengers are often relieved to get a break from the whining and squealing. Be glad you aren't traveling in the 90s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Air travel is getting harder for everyone. Expecting someone who has done the work to keep their kids quiet to listen to your kids iPad is pretty sociopathic. I expect there to be an uptick in parents with kids like this being asked to leave planes.

The fact that your drug your children for the convenience of adults doesn't make anyone else a sociopath, it makes you a selfish and irresponsible parent.