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[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jesus. Parent your children. Teach them to sit. You live with them you should be able to figure out how to entertain them and pacify them. If you don’t know how without a screen then you are either giving them too much screen time or too little you time, but probably both.

Blah blah blah blah

You should stop blah blah blah-ing like an immature tween, because PP is correct and clearly has a message you need to hear.

(yes, I know, you'll blah blah blah again, because you people are so predictable)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I work in an elementary school and I feel like this thread is why behaviors are at an all time low point. This desperation to keep kids quiet with a tablet so you can enjoy your dinner/flight/chat with a friend makes it easier in the moment, but you're taking away the child's ability to learn how to use their brain, to access creativity, to know how to sit still without a screen to pacify them. If they only way they'll sit quietly is with a screen; think how they must be at school when a teacher is asking them to sit quietly and listen to directions.

The fact that you think a 3 yo should be able to sit quietly for 5 hours is a testament to why our schools so often fail young children.

[Anonymous]

In the BD (= before devices) era, it wasn’t easy but it could be done. We traveled with twins before iPhones and, while it was a challenge, it could be done. We spent time thinking through what might - and might not - work and planned accordingly. We also modeled behavior before we left - “we are all going to sit in seats and sometimes not move until the captain tells us to.” I learned this from a friend who had taken her 2 year old to India to see family. Basically if she could spend 24 hours in transit over 12 time zones, we should be able to get twins to FL on a 4-hour flight.

It wasn’t always foolproof. Once they insisted on standing on our legs and jumping up and down at 14 months. Lucked out as we were in back of a 2/3 full plane. On a train @ 22 months, I had the flu and DH had to walk up and down the aisle with both kids as I could not move lest I get sick. Yeah, we got some shade from some and others seemed to understand.

Here it seems like parents could talk about “inside” or “out of house” sounds like one does “use your indoor voice.” So “the tablet cannot be at a high volume when in a public place.”

I used to fret and sweat thinking about these trips but I also planned for it, e.g., when is the best time to fly with 5 month olds, 18 month olds, 2 1/2 year olds, etc.. And I saw and know other parents who did the same.

Good luck to all traveling this season.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In the BD (= before devices) era, it wasn’t easy but it could be done. We traveled with twins before iPhones and, while it was a challenge, it could be done. We spent time thinking through what might - and might not - work and planned accordingly. We also modeled behavior before we left - “we are all going to sit in seats and sometimes not move until the captain tells us to.” I learned this from a friend who had taken her 2 year old to India to see family. Basically if she could spend 24 hours in transit over 12 time zones, we should be able to get twins to FL on a 4-hour flight.

It wasn’t always foolproof. Once they insisted on standing on our legs and jumping up and down at 14 months. Lucked out as we were in back of a 2/3 full plane. On a train @ 22 months, I had the flu and DH had to walk up and down the aisle with both kids as I could not move lest I get sick. Yeah, we got some shade from some and others seemed to understand.

Here it seems like parents could talk about “inside” or “out of house” sounds like one does “use your indoor voice.” So “the tablet cannot be at a high volume when in a public place.”

I used to fret and sweat thinking about these trips but I also planned for it, e.g., when is the best time to fly with 5 month olds, 18 month olds, 2 1/2 year olds, etc.. And I saw and know other parents who did the same.

Good luck to all traveling this season.

Of course it can be done. This thread is about the discomfort to other passengers, which you yourself admit cannot be avoided.

[Anonymous]

They need headphones, and so do you. I pack earplugs for myself as I have been seated by many and adult who plays games on a flight full volume and/or snores at some point.

You can be irked, but also be responsible to your own needs and experience.

[Anonymous]

I always do my best to keep my kids from bothering other people in public, and they wore headphones or kept devices on mute from the very beginning. That said, every kid no matter how great a traveler is going to have wild card behavior sometimes. I've sat next to adults who don't know how to control themselves, such as the woman at the nail salon who thought it was her personal right to watch a movie at full volume on her ipad while also taking a call on her phone. My airpods didn't fully drown her out but thankfully I was only getting an express pedi. It didn't ruin my day.

I would never think to travel without my own noise canceling headphones/earphones, earplugs, pharmacopia, money for alcohol, and whatever comfort items are going to get me through the trip. Plus lots of grace for my fellow passengers.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just so I understand, would people prefer if I sing aloud all the coco melon songs while my toddler watches on silent?

Ha. I remember one flight (very, delayed we had been in the airport for hours) the flight attendant walked past us and then noticed visually that my son was holding an iPad on very very low. She insisted we put headphones on him which he was not having so I put on subtitles and read them. That’s apparently fine. We were far quieter than the drunk guy in front of us…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Flight attendant just asked junior to turn down sound.

I have an audio disorder. It’s like nails on a chalk board. Once heard, it cannot be undone.

So yes, videos should have headphones. But you should also have headphones. Noise cancelling. Especially if you have an audio disorder. Plan ahead!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so I understand, would people prefer if I sing aloud all the coco melon songs while my toddler watches on silent?

Ha. I remember one flight (very, delayed we had been in the airport for hours) the flight attendant walked past us and then noticed visually that my son was holding an iPad on very very low. She insisted we put headphones on him which he was not having so I put on subtitles and read them. That’s apparently fine. We were far quieter than the drunk guy in front of us…

For some reason, which I'm sure science can explain, certain sounds are more intrusive and annoying. People talking on cell phones are worse than people talking to their neighbor. The noise from electronic devices is more annoying that a normal conversation. Reading to your kid is less irritating than your kid's show.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so I understand, would people prefer if I sing aloud all the coco melon songs while my toddler watches on silent?

Ha. I remember one flight (very, delayed we had been in the airport for hours) the flight attendant walked past us and then noticed visually that my son was holding an iPad on very very low. She insisted we put headphones on him which he was not having so I put on subtitles and read them. That’s apparently fine. We were far quieter than the drunk guy in front of us…

For some reason, which I'm sure science can explain, certain sounds are more intrusive and annoying. People talking on cell phones are worse than people talking to their neighbor. The noise from electronic devices is more annoying that a normal conversation. Reading to your kid is less irritating than your kid's show.

Well the cell phone issue is that people talk loudly when they talk on the phone, not "noise from electronic devices"

[Anonymous]

I personally get more annoyed at noise I think should not be happening. So whispering in the library is more annoying than a conversation in a coffee shop, even if I am trying to work in both places. An adult listening to music on a speaker in public is horrifically inconsiderate while the same music played by a store is fine. So maybe it would help people to understand that some young children really refuse to wear headphones, and while we use all the recommended strategies to keep them entertained without screens (and try to use screens muted), at a certain point in a 5 hour flight the choices might be screens and accompanying noise or screaming. If you prefer the screaming feel free to complain to the flight attendant.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just so I understand, would people prefer if I sing aloud all the coco melon songs while my toddler watches on silent?

Ha. I remember one flight (very, delayed we had been in the airport for hours) the flight attendant walked past us and then noticed visually that my son was holding an iPad on very very low. She insisted we put headphones on him which he was not having so I put on subtitles and read them. That’s apparently fine. We were far quieter than the drunk guy in front of us…

For some reason, which I'm sure science can explain, certain sounds are more intrusive and annoying. People talking on cell phones are worse than people talking to their neighbor. The noise from electronic devices is more annoying that a normal conversation. Reading to your kid is less irritating than your kid's show.

Well the cell phone issue is that people talk loudly when they talk on the phone, not "noise from electronic devices"

There's also something about hearing only one side of a conversation.

[Anonymous]

And yes children screamed on flights in the before times. A lot.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just so I understand, would people prefer if I sing aloud all the coco melon songs while my toddler watches on silent?

Ha. I remember one flight (very, delayed we had been in the airport for hours) the flight attendant walked past us and then noticed visually that my son was holding an iPad on very very low. She insisted we put headphones on him which he was not having so I put on subtitles and read them. That’s apparently fine. We were far quieter than the drunk guy in front of us…

For some reason, which I'm sure science can explain, certain sounds are more intrusive and annoying. People talking on cell phones are worse than people talking to their neighbor. The noise from electronic devices is more annoying that a normal conversation. Reading to your kid is less irritating than your kid's show.

Well the cell phone issue is that people talk loudly when they talk on the phone, not "noise from electronic devices"

There's also something about hearing only one side of a conversation.

Wow. Creepy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just so I understand, would people prefer if I sing aloud all the coco melon songs while my toddler watches on silent?

Ha. I remember one flight (very, delayed we had been in the airport for hours) the flight attendant walked past us and then noticed visually that my son was holding an iPad on very very low. She insisted we put headphones on him which he was not having so I put on subtitles and read them. That’s apparently fine. We were far quieter than the drunk guy in front of us…

For some reason, which I'm sure science can explain, certain sounds are more intrusive and annoying. People talking on cell phones are worse than people talking to their neighbor. The noise from electronic devices is more annoying that a normal conversation. Reading to your kid is less irritating than your kid's show.

Well the cell phone issue is that people talk loudly when they talk on the phone, not "noise from electronic devices"

There's also something about hearing only one side of a conversation.

Wow. Creepy.

Not sure what's creepy about it? I read an article a while back that discussed how hearing only one side of a conversation is more irritating, possibly because your brain tries to fill in the gaps or something.