What is up with the vegan hate

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Anonymous wrote: When I am entertaining, bulk of the food I cook is vegetarian and only one or two dishes are non-veg. The meat eaters can eat everything, and vegetarians don't eat that one or two items. However, even if a person who eats vegan, or gluten free, or dairy free, or nut free food comes to our dinners, they will find something that they can eat and they will not go home without being stuffed to the gills with good food. My DH likes a table with lots of dishes and I always have enough in the freezer to make something in 15 minutes or less. Menu of last weekend dinner for 35 people.


Spinach chaat (veg/vegan)
Mint Paneer-capsicum seekh (veg)
Dhokla (veg/vegan)
Lamb kebab

Quinoa veg pilaf (veg/vegan)
Tandoori salmon
Mixed lentils (aka dal banjaara) (veg/vegan)
Potato curry (aka dum aloo) (veg/vegan)
Malai kofta (veg)
Chicken jhalfrezi
Chickpea flour dumpling curry (aka besan gatta) (veg/vegan)
Mixed flour roti (veg/vegan)

Cut fruits (veg/vegan)
Rasmalai (veg)

PP, with respect, the people who are offended when a dinner guest discloses their vegan diet in any way are not going to eat this delicious cooking. They barely consider things food if it’s not a meat/starch/veg combination. The Obnoxious Vegans they’re talking about are the ones who are vegan in a showy culturally performative way. They are not talking about people whose ethnic culinary heritage has a lot of vegan options. They’re talking about the white yoga teacher mom at preschool.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you tried the food? A lot of it is gross.

Non of vegetarian food is gross. None of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Because they are preachy.

The old joke: "How do you know a person is vegan?" A: "Don't worry, theyll tell you within 5 minutes of meeting them."

I know cool vegans too. They don't talk about their eating lifestyle, just like I don't talk about mine.

Why not? What's the big secret? Food and diet are interesting subjects for people who are into food and not threatened by others.

LOL, nope! I don’t care whether it’s vegan or an “I’m such a steak and potatoes guy, what’s with all this weird stuff” dude like my dad, no one actually cares what you eat, or don’t eat, or why, or how much weight you lost or gained or want to lose or gain, etc. “Ketchup is a Karb Keto Kevin” is like everyone’s most dreaded co-worker. Both “I’m a vegan and I can’t imagggginnnneeeee eating meat” gal and “I can’t imaggginnnneeeeee not eating meat” guy are both equally owannoying people.

Talking about what you eat or don’t eat, like anyone actually gives a shyt, is attention-seeking behavior.

Weird. How is talking about what you eat attention-seeking behavior? Or any different than any other subject? I really don't get it. I don't care what other people eat -- it doesn't affect me at all -- so why wouldn't I be able to politely chat about their diet? It's no different than chatting about the weather (to me at least; obviously it's some kind of trigger for you...).

That's weird. Why is talking about what you eat attention-seeking behavior? H

What is there to “chat” about beyond “Where should we go to lunch” and “oh great, I love pizza”? Talking about the food at a restaurant is one thing—because that’s a shared experience. No one really cares if you’re “off carbs at the moment,” like just order your food.

Well good for you. I find other people interesting to listen to. I get that you think them talking is "attention-seeking" because it's not about you. That's a shame. You should try listening to people talk about what they think is interesting or important for a change. You might enjoy it. You might even learn a thing or two. You never know.

No. We find it attention-seeking because it is attention-seeking. If you don’t have more interesting things to talk about yourself than The List Of Things I Don’t Eat And Why, you’re an overgrown adolescent.

I'm not a vegan. But I certainly wouldn't think it was "attention-seeking" for someone else who is to talk about it.

Face it, you are a narcissist. If someone isn't just like you, they bore you.

Nope. Keep repeating it and you’ll be wrong every time. I happily listen to my friends talk about themselves and their lives all the time. If you drone on and on about your diet, you bore people because you are boring.

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Anonymous wrote:I don’t like it when people act entitled, vegan or otherwise. I’ve hosted many vegan guests who were perfectly gracious and helpful. I also happen to have hosted several vegans who:

1) Preach and preach and try to shame and convert (yes, actually to me in my own home when I am hosting them)
2) Turn up their nose at what is on offer, especially when I have gone out of my way to purchase or prepare it (“vegetarian lasagna with vegan cheese again, it’s like no one knows how to make anything else vegan”)

I don’t categorically dislike vegans. I do categorically dislike rude, entitled people, which sometimes includes vegans.

I usually don't go to people's homes as I am very particular when it comes to food. If I host I ask people what they like vs. just tell them this is what they are eating.

And there you have it. Who wants to host someone so difficult? Fall in or stay home. I’ll be happy to serve vegan options if you tell me you are vegan, but you don’t get to dictate the menu. If you can’t be a gracious guest, stay home.

Gracious, mature vegans are welcome in my home.
Picky, difficult guests—whether they are vegan or not—will not be invited back.

A good host takes food preferences into consideration.

If I ask “any allergies or food restrictions,” usually someone will rather sheepishly say, “it’s not an allergy, but I hate fish.” Or a spouse might say, “Barbara technically can eat pork, but she prefer not to.” That’s helpful information.

That said, most people don’t treat home invitations like a restaurant. And most mature adults—even if they don’t particularly like something—won’t mention it, because that’s not the same level as keeping kosher or being allergic to mushrooms.

I dislike certain foods, but I have never mentioned them when accepting an invitation to someone’s home. Because even if those things are on the table, I can eat them like an adult. I can eat a small portion of the thing I do not like, eat plenty of the rest, and thank my hosts for having me. Because the point of the evening is the company and the time spe nt together. If I get home and find I’m still hungry, I eat a bowl of cereal and I’m off to bed.

Do you say that to guests who are trying to be kosher? Just eat it to be polite?

I’m not making my house kosher for you. Host your own dinner or bring your own dish. Kosher, vegan, gluten free, nut allergy, seafood allergy, whatever. Don’t complain just don’t eat it if it isn’t up to your standards

I'm not kosher. I'm not even Jewish. I was just wondering if you would be as condescending of someone's dietary "choices" if they were kosher as you are if they are vegan. The answer is a resounding "yes."

You should stop pretending you are a good host. You suck at it.

Slow clap that you don’t even realize you are responding to more than one poster.

LOL. Exactly, but don’t interrupt their hysterical snit with facts.

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Anonymous wrote:Just don't ever talk about it. I don't care. I don't care what you're eating and I don't want to have to modify where I'm eating or what I'm serving for you if we eat together.

I would say this about any diet. Actual food allergies? Sure, let me know. Otherwise don't care. Find something to eat or order. The end.

Vegans tend to let you know about it.

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Anonymous wrote:Every vegan I know cheats when it suits them, but they won't eat what I serve at my house to make things easier. Even when I've tried -- "this has gluten! omg this has added sugar!" It's just an eating disorder for most people. If you're a vegan who wears leather, admit it, you don't actually give a crap about animals. If you're a vegan who binge eats chick fil A regularly and has the "occasional steak," you're not actually vegan and you can stop being difficult at dinners. If you're a vegan who eats fish, shrimp, and eggs, you're not vegan and you can eat the regular mayonnaise in my fridge instead of making me go to whole foods to get you vegannaise.

Sorry, I don't know part time vegans. At all. You are generalizing maybe one person. Come on

It’s not “one person” at all. Several of us have replied here and we know people just like this. I know more than one of the type someone referenced here: “Be a pain in the ass about vegan food to the waiter and expect nonvegan entrees to be tailored to them, then jump right into the nonvegan dessert when it arrives at the table.”

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Anonymous wrote:Have you tried the food? A lot of it is gross.

Non of vegetarian food is gross. None of it.

Plenty of vegan food is gross. Plenty of it.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

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Anonymous wrote:Have you tried the food? A lot of it is gross.

Non of vegetarian food is gross. None of it.

Plenty of vegan food is gross. Plenty of it.

Yes, because animal carcasses and entrails certainly arent gross.

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Anonymous wrote:Every vegan I know cheats when it suits them, but they won't eat what I serve at my house to make things easier. Even when I've tried -- "this has gluten! omg this has added sugar!" It's just an eating disorder for most people. If you're a vegan who wears leather, admit it, you don't actually give a crap about animals. If you're a vegan who binge eats chick fil A regularly and has the "occasional steak," you're not actually vegan and you can stop being difficult at dinners. If you're a vegan who eats fish, shrimp, and eggs, you're not vegan and you can eat the regular mayonnaise in my fridge instead of making me go to whole foods to get you vegannaise.

Sorry, I don't know part time vegans. At all. You are generalizing maybe one person. Come on

It’s not “one person” at all. Several of us have replied here and we know people just like this. I know more than one of the type someone referenced here: “Be a pain in the ass about vegan food to the waiter and expect nonvegan entrees to be tailored to them, then jump right into the nonvegan dessert when it arrives at the table.”

You are then referring to people who aren't vegan or vegetarian. So, you just have stupid friends, and maybe you have stupid friends because that is the kind of people you attract. You're all just shallow and immature. But your argument has nothing to do with a vegan or vegetarian person. It has to do with people who say they are vegan and aren't . This doesn't even belong in a thread about diets. It belongs in a thread about relationships.

Vegans and vegetarians don't eat food that isn't vegan or vegetarian. If they do, they aren’t vegan or vegetarian, and never have been. Maybe they consider themselves to be "more plant based" but your problems with them have nothing to do with a vegan diet, it has to do with them and either their choices or their hypocrisy. Or a communication problem between all of you. But- no, this is about being a vegan. It's really that simple.

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Anonymous wrote:Every vegan I know cheats when it suits them, but they won't eat what I serve at my house to make things easier. Even when I've tried -- "this has gluten! omg this has added sugar!" It's just an eating disorder for most people. If you're a vegan who wears leather, admit it, you don't actually give a crap about animals. If you're a vegan who binge eats chick fil A regularly and has the "occasional steak," you're not actually vegan and you can stop being difficult at dinners. If you're a vegan who eats fish, shrimp, and eggs, you're not vegan and you can eat the regular mayonnaise in my fridge instead of making me go to whole foods to get you vegannaise.

Sorry, I don't know part time vegans. At all. You are generalizing maybe one person. Come on

It’s not “one person” at all. Several of us have replied here and we know people just like this. I know more than one of the type someone referenced here: “Be a pain in the ass about vegan food to the waiter and expect nonvegan entrees to be tailored to them, then jump right into the nonvegan dessert when it arrives at the table.”

Please realize this is a personal issue, not a diet issue. It doesn't reflect on a vegan diet at all. It has to do with these people who, aren't vegans, so this argument is moot.

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Anonymous wrote:Haven’t read the other thread, but being vegan makes it extraordinary difficult to prepare dishes. It’s not as simple as providing meat free options. Butter, milk, cheese all are bases in many recipes.

I don’t want to use fake butter and fake cheese.

This is where I’m coming from as the chef. Vegetarian? No problem. Vegan, I’m struggling.

I'm here as well, though not a chef but avid cook and hostess. Spent 15 years as a vegetarian, that's not an issue. But if we go out to eat and you need to give the waiter the third degree on if honey was used in your champagne vinaigrette on your mixed green salad? I'm out. I think the fake stuff is disgusting and won't cook with it. Unlike allergies or religious restrictions, I think if you choose to have this diet you need to be prepared to mostly do things yourself.

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It is so incredibly limiting. Food and travel are my passions and vegans completely rule out experimenting with either.

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Anonymous wrote:Every vegan I know cheats when it suits them, but they won't eat what I serve at my house to make things easier. Even when I've tried -- "this has gluten! omg this has added sugar!" It's just an eating disorder for most people. If you're a vegan who wears leather, admit it, you don't actually give a crap about animals. If you're a vegan who binge eats chick fil A regularly and has the "occasional steak," you're not actually vegan and you can stop being difficult at dinners. If you're a vegan who eats fish, shrimp, and eggs, you're not vegan and you can eat the regular mayonnaise in my fridge instead of making me go to whole foods to get you vegannaise.

Sorry, I don't know part time vegans. At all. You are generalizing maybe one person. Come on

It’s not “one person” at all. Several of us have replied here and we know people just like this. I know more than one of the type someone referenced here: “Be a pain in the ass about vegan food to the waiter and expect nonvegan entrees to be tailored to them, then jump right into the nonvegan dessert when it arrives at the table.”

You are then referring to people who aren't vegan or vegetarian. So, you just have stupid friends, and maybe you have stupid friends because that is the kind of people you attract. You're all just shallow and immature. But your argument has nothing to do with a vegan or vegetarian person. It has to do with people who say they are vegan and aren't . This doesn't even belong in a thread about diets. It belongs in a thread about relationships.

Vegans and vegetarians don't eat food that isn't vegan or vegetarian. If they do, they aren’t vegan or vegetarian, and never have been. Maybe they consider themselves to be "more plant based" but your problems with them have nothing to do with a vegan diet, it has to do with them and either their choices or their hypocrisy. Or a communication problem between all of you. But- no, this is about being a vegan. It's really that simple.

Nope, sorry, if we must respect pronouns and gender identity, we also must respect Vegan Identity! Because how dare you call into question how someone else self-identifies? Definitions of veganism and vegetarian are apparently fluid, because when my sister was a vegetarian for 15 years, she still ate the occasional can of Chicken and Stars when she was sick, and ate meat in small portions on a few occasions while she was a visiting pastor in Mexico and didn’t want to offend people she visited.

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Anonymous wrote:I am a vegetarian, not vegan. It's very very hard to be a vegan and it's impossible to socialize out of the house without a lot of work. But, no, it isn't an eating disorder. I would be vegan if I could make it work. Meanwhile, I get pushback from being a vegetarian. Really? Frankly, I do think it should be the default diet.
Yes, I get enough protein, iron, B12. The same questions all the time.

What do you mean? Of course, it is an eating disorder. There is no reason to eat vegan and, in fact, eating vegan comes with significant health concerns. That level of food control smacks of mental health problems.

There are many reasons to eat vegan, and many unhealthy reasons to be an animal eater, all well documented. You are just acculturated to a western diet and diets are very personal and it's hard to accept change. In no way is a vegan or vegetarian diet an eating disorder, and all you are doing is justifying your eating choices which involve very detrimental health and environmental issues, so you are absolutely wrong. There are massive studies all supporting plant based diets which have been confirmed and reconfirmed for years. All of my doctors are either vegetarian or vegan, actually. Are they all mentally ill? This isn't new news, either. You have been quite manipulated by the first world industrial agriculture machine and years of a poor diet in society- all harbingers of health problems. No, we don't have mental health issues at all. We do have to deal with a plethora of idiots who are misinformed, and, yes, what a giant pain which can be depressing. So much denial and then people like you call us mentally ill. Read a book.

+1. The person calling Veganism an eating disorder is woefully ignorant of life outside the meat and potatoes culture of the USA. Probably the most common meal in the world is rice and beans/lentils, particularly in poorer populations.