UVA or Georgetown

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is such a ridiculous discussion.

Georgetown is way more selective than UVA: 16% vs 22%. And that's before taking into account the fact that all Common App colleges have artificially low acceptance rates, including UVA. Georgetown does not participate in the Common App.

But financially, instate UVA is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.
Academically, there is no question GU is more reputable.

Done.

End of discussion.

I think you are new to college admissions. If you research it here or anywhere online you will learn that you cannot compare the selectivity/acceptance rates of our nation's public universities to that of private institutions. There are many reasons why but primarily, and certainly in Virginia and California, the applicant pool to the top public schools is self-selecting. Due to SCHEV and other statistical resources, applicants know exactly where they stand vis-a-vis the prior entering class, so can make a better call on chances of getting in than they can for privates. This is also done by the public high school counselor whose job it is to direct applicants to the most suitable public university. When we met with the Langley high school counselor there was absolutely no question that our DD was not UVA material. And if we had pushed on it, the counselor whips out the SCHEV statistics and Naviance to demonstrate why. We could readily see she had a chance of getting into GMU but never UVA or W&M. The public high school counselor will not support the application. Can a parent force it? I suppose so but I've never heard it done. And remember that public high school counselor (whose reputation is on the line with the public universities and often wants to move into admissions at one of those schools) won't be apt to work the letters of recommendation and check off the "most rigorous" box or rave about the student in the advisor's own letter of recommendation (in VA the public high school counselor writes their own letter to the public schools). Because of this system of screening and checks, the applicant pool to the top publics is very elite and primarily the top 6% of public high school students. Hence the rate of selectivity is lower than privates - and remember that privates can throw millions of dollars at marketing to inflate the applicant pool class in order to drive down the acceptance/selectivity numbers. Publics don't have those resources. This is why USNWR doesn't require institutions to submit selectivity numbers anymore . . . they are too easily manipulated by the private institutions, like Northwestern, U of Chicago and Northeastern.

The result is that the top publics have higher percentages of acceptance than top privates: U of Florida is 31.1%; the University of Michigan is 26.1%; UCLA 14.3%; Berkeley is 17.5%; the University of Texas (on a very different system) 32%; the University of North Carolina, 25% (OOS is 10.5%). All of these schools have become very difficult to get into - especially for OOS as states drive down on the number of OOS as demand by taxpayers increases.

So UVA at 22.6% (OOS 17%) is right in line with the other publics. But even amongst publics you can't compare precisely because of the system of applicants and the screening role of the public high school counselors. But all counselors will tell you that getting in OOS at UCLA, Berkeley, UNC, etc. is unlikely because of the quality of competition. In California, the OOS class is limited to only 10% as is UNC.

A better indicator of prestige and quality of student are the SCHEV statistics which show that the applicants who arrive on campus have higher stats than Georgetown. Last fall, the 75th percentile of enrolled (the students who actually showed up, not the accepted class, which is higher; some turn down UVA for Ivies or SLACs), was a 4.52 weighted GPA; a whopping 35 on the ACT and a 1510 SAT/=. The median has a 4.39, a whopping 34 ACT and a 1450. Even the bottom 25th percentile has a 4.23, a 32 ACT and a 1400. Now someone will come on and say SCHEV doesn't include all the entering students but SCHEV is a FAR BETTER tool than exists for the private schools in other states. Every Virginia parent should be using it as a reference guide for all privates (yes SCHEV covers privates too) and publics. All the stats you need to know are there. Just enter the name of the college and dig in. Then go to your high school Naviance or equivalent and compare your student's stats to those of his own class. Uou will come away with a very realistic view of your child's chances of getting into Virginia schools. Because we have this tool, applicants are better able to apply to the institutions that they have a chance of getting into. There is no equivalent in other states. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

The “SCHEV” poster always jumps into these discussions and overinflates the role of Virginia public high school guidance counselors on “steering” students to certain VA colleges. Maybe it happens at Langley, but not in any other VA public high school that I ever heard of and certainly not at my kids’ VA public school. They let my kids and all of their friends apply to any VA school they wanted to and didn’t blink an eye. Their reputations were not “on the line” and they’re not all gunning to join college admissions committees either. That’s absurd. I have no idea where this poster has gotten these crazy ideas from, but to extrapolate from their own personal experience where they were advised that their kid wasn’t getting into UVA that all NOVA guidance counselors are steering committees is ridiculous. It’s simply not true.

UVA is without question less selective than Georgetown for in state applicant. It’s not less selective for out of state applicants, however, and the school without question enrolls many, many in state students who could have gotten into Georgetown but never even applied because it makes no sense financially.

Oh my god, that's completely untrue. Georgetown is an overrated school for rich kids who can't make it into ivies. UVA caters more to the middle class that could make the cut but can't afford it. There is a clear and obvious distinction.

[Anonymous]

Here's the thing about the VA public schools, the counselor write their recommendation before the kid even applies in most cases, as well as the other recommenders. So how is it that the counselor is going to threaten to withhold that or not write as glowing because they don't think the kid should apply to uva?

At our school of 400 or so kids 75-85 apply to UVA. About 10 get in. That's alot of people throwing a hail mary and no one is stopping them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is such a ridiculous discussion.

Georgetown is way more selective than UVA: 16% vs 22%. And that's before taking into account the fact that all Common App colleges have artificially low acceptance rates, including UVA. Georgetown does not participate in the Common App.

But financially, instate UVA is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.
Academically, there is no question GU is more reputable.

Done.

End of discussion.

I think you are new to college admissions. If you research it here or anywhere online you will learn that you cannot compare the selectivity/acceptance rates of our nation's public universities to that of private institutions. There are many reasons why but primarily, and certainly in Virginia and California, the applicant pool to the top public schools is self-selecting. Due to SCHEV and other statistical resources, applicants know exactly where they stand vis-a-vis the prior entering class, so can make a better call on chances of getting in than they can for privates. This is also done by the public high school counselor whose job it is to direct applicants to the most suitable public university. When we met with the Langley high school counselor there was absolutely no question that our DD was not UVA material. And if we had pushed on it, the counselor whips out the SCHEV statistics and Naviance to demonstrate why. We could readily see she had a chance of getting into GMU but never UVA or W&M. The public high school counselor will not support the application. Can a parent force it? I suppose so but I've never heard it done. And remember that public high school counselor (whose reputation is on the line with the public universities and often wants to move into admissions at one of those schools) won't be apt to work the letters of recommendation and check off the "most rigorous" box or rave about the student in the advisor's own letter of recommendation (in VA the public high school counselor writes their own letter to the public schools). Because of this system of screening and checks, the applicant pool to the top publics is very elite and primarily the top 6% of public high school students. Hence the rate of selectivity is lower than privates - and remember that privates can throw millions of dollars at marketing to inflate the applicant pool class in order to drive down the acceptance/selectivity numbers. Publics don't have those resources. This is why USNWR doesn't require institutions to submit selectivity numbers anymore . . . they are too easily manipulated by the private institutions, like Northwestern, U of Chicago and Northeastern.

The result is that the top publics have higher percentages of acceptance than top privates: U of Florida is 31.1%; the University of Michigan is 26.1%; UCLA 14.3%; Berkeley is 17.5%; the University of Texas (on a very different system) 32%; the University of North Carolina, 25% (OOS is 10.5%). All of these schools have become very difficult to get into - especially for OOS as states drive down on the number of OOS as demand by taxpayers increases.

So UVA at 22.6% (OOS 17%) is right in line with the other publics. But even amongst publics you can't compare precisely because of the system of applicants and the screening role of the public high school counselors. But all counselors will tell you that getting in OOS at UCLA, Berkeley, UNC, etc. is unlikely because of the quality of competition. In California, the OOS class is limited to only 10% as is UNC.

A better indicator of prestige and quality of student are the SCHEV statistics which show that the applicants who arrive on campus have higher stats than Georgetown. Last fall, the 75th percentile of enrolled (the students who actually showed up, not the accepted class, which is higher; some turn down UVA for Ivies or SLACs), was a 4.52 weighted GPA; a whopping 35 on the ACT and a 1510 SAT/=. The median has a 4.39, a whopping 34 ACT and a 1450. Even the bottom 25th percentile has a 4.23, a 32 ACT and a 1400. Now someone will come on and say SCHEV doesn't include all the entering students but SCHEV is a FAR BETTER tool than exists for the private schools in other states. Every Virginia parent should be using it as a reference guide for all privates (yes SCHEV covers privates too) and publics. All the stats you need to know are there. Just enter the name of the college and dig in. Then go to your high school Naviance or equivalent and compare your student's stats to those of his own class. Uou will come away with a very realistic view of your child's chances of getting into Virginia schools. Because we have this tool, applicants are better able to apply to the institutions that they have a chance of getting into. There is no equivalent in other states. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

The “SCHEV” poster always jumps into these discussions and overinflates the role of Virginia public high school guidance counselors on “steering” students to certain VA colleges. Maybe it happens at Langley, but not in any other VA public high school that I ever heard of and certainly not at my kids’ VA public school. They let my kids and all of their friends apply to any VA school they wanted to and didn’t blink an eye. Their reputations were not “on the line” and they’re not all gunning to join college admissions committees either. That’s absurd. I have no idea where this poster has gotten these crazy ideas from, but to extrapolate from their own personal experience where they were advised that their kid wasn’t getting into UVA that all NOVA guidance counselors are steering committees is ridiculous. It’s simply not true.

UVA is without question less selective than Georgetown for in state applicant. It’s not less selective for out of state applicants, however, and the school without question enrolls many, many in state students who could have gotten into Georgetown but never even applied because it makes no sense financially.

Oh my god, that's completely untrue. Georgetown is an overrated school for rich kids who can't make it into ivies. UVA caters more to the middle class that could make the cut but can't afford it. There is a clear and obvious distinction.

I had two kids go to UVA in state. I doubt either could have gotten into Georgetown, although one did get into Notre Dame. It also never occurred to either one of them to apply to Georgetown, which I think is also the case for many NOVA students because it’s right in our backyard and kids want to go further away for college, and because it’s private and not materially better academically and public school families typically don’t throw money away on private colleges needlessly even if they can afford it. They’re generally more practical than that.

My NOVA public school kids grew up pretty rich, and lots of their UVA classmates also came from money. UVA is by no means a “middle class” school. It’s a rich kid school.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing about the VA public schools, the counselor write their recommendation before the kid even applies in most cases, as well as the other recommenders. So how is it that the counselor is going to threaten to withhold that or not write as glowing because they don't think the kid should apply to uva?

At our school of 400 or so kids 75-85 apply to UVA. About 10 get in. That's alot of people throwing a hail mary and no one is stopping them.

I agree with everything you just said except for the part about only 10 from your class of 400 getting in. There’s no high school in all of NOVA with that low of a number. Sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is such a ridiculous discussion.

Georgetown is way more selective than UVA: 16% vs 22%. And that's before taking into account the fact that all Common App colleges have artificially low acceptance rates, including UVA. Georgetown does not participate in the Common App.

But financially, instate UVA is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.
Academically, there is no question GU is more reputable.

Done.

End of discussion.

I think you are new to college admissions. If you research it here or anywhere online you will learn that you cannot compare the selectivity/acceptance rates of our nation's public universities to that of private institutions. There are many reasons why but primarily, and certainly in Virginia and California, the applicant pool to the top public schools is self-selecting. Due to SCHEV and other statistical resources, applicants know exactly where they stand vis-a-vis the prior entering class, so can make a better call on chances of getting in than they can for privates. This is also done by the public high school counselor whose job it is to direct applicants to the most suitable public university. When we met with the Langley high school counselor there was absolutely no question that our DD was not UVA material. And if we had pushed on it, the counselor whips out the SCHEV statistics and Naviance to demonstrate why. We could readily see she had a chance of getting into GMU but never UVA or W&M. The public high school counselor will not support the application. Can a parent force it? I suppose so but I've never heard it done. And remember that public high school counselor (whose reputation is on the line with the public universities and often wants to move into admissions at one of those schools) won't be apt to work the letters of recommendation and check off the "most rigorous" box or rave about the student in the advisor's own letter of recommendation (in VA the public high school counselor writes their own letter to the public schools). Because of this system of screening and checks, the applicant pool to the top publics is very elite and primarily the top 6% of public high school students. Hence the rate of selectivity is lower than privates - and remember that privates can throw millions of dollars at marketing to inflate the applicant pool class in order to drive down the acceptance/selectivity numbers. Publics don't have those resources. This is why USNWR doesn't require institutions to submit selectivity numbers anymore . . . they are too easily manipulated by the private institutions, like Northwestern, U of Chicago and Northeastern.

The result is that the top publics have higher percentages of acceptance than top privates: U of Florida is 31.1%; the University of Michigan is 26.1%; UCLA 14.3%; Berkeley is 17.5%; the University of Texas (on a very different system) 32%; the University of North Carolina, 25% (OOS is 10.5%). All of these schools have become very difficult to get into - especially for OOS as states drive down on the number of OOS as demand by taxpayers increases.

So UVA at 22.6% (OOS 17%) is right in line with the other publics. But even amongst publics you can't compare precisely because of the system of applicants and the screening role of the public high school counselors. But all counselors will tell you that getting in OOS at UCLA, Berkeley, UNC, etc. is unlikely because of the quality of competition. In California, the OOS class is limited to only 10% as is UNC.

A better indicator of prestige and quality of student are the SCHEV statistics which show that the applicants who arrive on campus have higher stats than Georgetown. Last fall, the 75th percentile of enrolled (the students who actually showed up, not the accepted class, which is higher; some turn down UVA for Ivies or SLACs), was a 4.52 weighted GPA; a whopping 35 on the ACT and a 1510 SAT/=. The median has a 4.39, a whopping 34 ACT and a 1450. Even the bottom 25th percentile has a 4.23, a 32 ACT and a 1400. Now someone will come on and say SCHEV doesn't include all the entering students but SCHEV is a FAR BETTER tool than exists for the private schools in other states. Every Virginia parent should be using it as a reference guide for all privates (yes SCHEV covers privates too) and publics. All the stats you need to know are there. Just enter the name of the college and dig in. Then go to your high school Naviance or equivalent and compare your student's stats to those of his own class. Uou will come away with a very realistic view of your child's chances of getting into Virginia schools. Because we have this tool, applicants are better able to apply to the institutions that they have a chance of getting into. There is no equivalent in other states. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

The “SCHEV” poster always jumps into these discussions and overinflates the role of Virginia public high school guidance counselors on “steering” students to certain VA colleges. Maybe it happens at Langley, but not in any other VA public high school that I ever heard of and certainly not at my kids’ VA public school. They let my kids and all of their friends apply to any VA school they wanted to and didn’t blink an eye. Their reputations were not “on the line” and they’re not all gunning to join college admissions committees either. That’s absurd. I have no idea where this poster has gotten these crazy ideas from, but to extrapolate from their own personal experience where they were advised that their kid wasn’t getting into UVA that all NOVA guidance counselors are steering committees is ridiculous. It’s simply not true.

UVA is without question less selective than Georgetown for in state applicant. It’s not less selective for out of state applicants, however, and the school without question enrolls many, many in state students who could have gotten into Georgetown but never even applied because it makes no sense financially.

I wonder if UVA OOS is really that much more selective than in state these days. There is a lot of competition for those good OOS students.

Google is your friend: 28 percent of in state applicants were accepted, compared to 15 percent of out of state applicants. So, yes, out of state applicants are accepted at a much lower rate.

https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2022/03/u-va-accepts-record-low-19-percent-of-50962-applicants-for-class-of-2026

Stats are more indicative than acceptance rate.

Duh, obviously, and one can google that too and see that the stats for students admitted from out of state are on average higher than in state. The gap is decreasing though.

Huger stats and lower acceptance rates = more selective.

Average SAT for OOS is 1408 vs 1402 in state. Essentially no difference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is such a ridiculous discussion.

Georgetown is way more selective than UVA: 16% vs 22%. And that's before taking into account the fact that all Common App colleges have artificially low acceptance rates, including UVA. Georgetown does not participate in the Common App.

But financially, instate UVA is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.
Academically, there is no question GU is more reputable.

Done.

End of discussion.

I think you are new to college admissions. If you research it here or anywhere online you will learn that you cannot compare the selectivity/acceptance rates of our nation's public universities to that of private institutions. There are many reasons why but primarily, and certainly in Virginia and California, the applicant pool to the top public schools is self-selecting. Due to SCHEV and other statistical resources, applicants know exactly where they stand vis-a-vis the prior entering class, so can make a better call on chances of getting in than they can for privates. This is also done by the public high school counselor whose job it is to direct applicants to the most suitable public university. When we met with the Langley high school counselor there was absolutely no question that our DD was not UVA material. And if we had pushed on it, the counselor whips out the SCHEV statistics and Naviance to demonstrate why. We could readily see she had a chance of getting into GMU but never UVA or W&M. The public high school counselor will not support the application. Can a parent force it? I suppose so but I've never heard it done. And remember that public high school counselor (whose reputation is on the line with the public universities and often wants to move into admissions at one of those schools) won't be apt to work the letters of recommendation and check off the "most rigorous" box or rave about the student in the advisor's own letter of recommendation (in VA the public high school counselor writes their own letter to the public schools). Because of this system of screening and checks, the applicant pool to the top publics is very elite and primarily the top 6% of public high school students. Hence the rate of selectivity is lower than privates - and remember that privates can throw millions of dollars at marketing to inflate the applicant pool class in order to drive down the acceptance/selectivity numbers. Publics don't have those resources. This is why USNWR doesn't require institutions to submit selectivity numbers anymore . . . they are too easily manipulated by the private institutions, like Northwestern, U of Chicago and Northeastern.

The result is that the top publics have higher percentages of acceptance than top privates: U of Florida is 31.1%; the University of Michigan is 26.1%; UCLA 14.3%; Berkeley is 17.5%; the University of Texas (on a very different system) 32%; the University of North Carolina, 25% (OOS is 10.5%). All of these schools have become very difficult to get into - especially for OOS as states drive down on the number of OOS as demand by taxpayers increases.

So UVA at 22.6% (OOS 17%) is right in line with the other publics. But even amongst publics you can't compare precisely because of the system of applicants and the screening role of the public high school counselors. But all counselors will tell you that getting in OOS at UCLA, Berkeley, UNC, etc. is unlikely because of the quality of competition. In California, the OOS class is limited to only 10% as is UNC.

A better indicator of prestige and quality of student are the SCHEV statistics which show that the applicants who arrive on campus have higher stats than Georgetown. Last fall, the 75th percentile of enrolled (the students who actually showed up, not the accepted class, which is higher; some turn down UVA for Ivies or SLACs), was a 4.52 weighted GPA; a whopping 35 on the ACT and a 1510 SAT/=. The median has a 4.39, a whopping 34 ACT and a 1450. Even the bottom 25th percentile has a 4.23, a 32 ACT and a 1400. Now someone will come on and say SCHEV doesn't include all the entering students but SCHEV is a FAR BETTER tool than exists for the private schools in other states. Every Virginia parent should be using it as a reference guide for all privates (yes SCHEV covers privates too) and publics. All the stats you need to know are there. Just enter the name of the college and dig in. Then go to your high school Naviance or equivalent and compare your student's stats to those of his own class. Uou will come away with a very realistic view of your child's chances of getting into Virginia schools. Because we have this tool, applicants are better able to apply to the institutions that they have a chance of getting into. There is no equivalent in other states. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

The “SCHEV” poster always jumps into these discussions and overinflates the role of Virginia public high school guidance counselors on “steering” students to certain VA colleges. Maybe it happens at Langley, but not in any other VA public high school that I ever heard of and certainly not at my kids’ VA public school. They let my kids and all of their friends apply to any VA school they wanted to and didn’t blink an eye. Their reputations were not “on the line” and they’re not all gunning to join college admissions committees either. That’s absurd. I have no idea where this poster has gotten these crazy ideas from, but to extrapolate from their own personal experience where they were advised that their kid wasn’t getting into UVA that all NOVA guidance counselors are steering committees is ridiculous. It’s simply not true.

UVA is without question less selective than Georgetown for in state applicant. It’s not less selective for out of state applicants, however, and the school without question enrolls many, many in state students who could have gotten into Georgetown but never even applied because it makes no sense financially.

Oh my god, that's completely untrue. Georgetown is an overrated school for rich kids who can't make it into ivies. UVA caters more to the middle class that could make the cut but can't afford it. There is a clear and obvious distinction.

Do you have any evidence that a significant percentage of UVA students are admitted to Ivy League schools?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is such a ridiculous discussion.

Georgetown is way more selective than UVA: 16% vs 22%. And that's before taking into account the fact that all Common App colleges have artificially low acceptance rates, including UVA. Georgetown does not participate in the Common App.

But financially, instate UVA is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.
Academically, there is no question GU is more reputable.

Done.

End of discussion.

I think you are new to college admissions. If you research it here or anywhere online you will learn that you cannot compare the selectivity/acceptance rates of our nation's public universities to that of private institutions. There are many reasons why but primarily, and certainly in Virginia and California, the applicant pool to the top public schools is self-selecting. Due to SCHEV and other statistical resources, applicants know exactly where they stand vis-a-vis the prior entering class, so can make a better call on chances of getting in than they can for privates. This is also done by the public high school counselor whose job it is to direct applicants to the most suitable public university. When we met with the Langley high school counselor there was absolutely no question that our DD was not UVA material. And if we had pushed on it, the counselor whips out the SCHEV statistics and Naviance to demonstrate why. We could readily see she had a chance of getting into GMU but never UVA or W&M. The public high school counselor will not support the application. Can a parent force it? I suppose so but I've never heard it done. And remember that public high school counselor (whose reputation is on the line with the public universities and often wants to move into admissions at one of those schools) won't be apt to work the letters of recommendation and check off the "most rigorous" box or rave about the student in the advisor's own letter of recommendation (in VA the public high school counselor writes their own letter to the public schools). Because of this system of screening and checks, the applicant pool to the top publics is very elite and primarily the top 6% of public high school students. Hence the rate of selectivity is lower than privates - and remember that privates can throw millions of dollars at marketing to inflate the applicant pool class in order to drive down the acceptance/selectivity numbers. Publics don't have those resources. This is why USNWR doesn't require institutions to submit selectivity numbers anymore . . . they are too easily manipulated by the private institutions, like Northwestern, U of Chicago and Northeastern.

The result is that the top publics have higher percentages of acceptance than top privates: U of Florida is 31.1%; the University of Michigan is 26.1%; UCLA 14.3%; Berkeley is 17.5%; the University of Texas (on a very different system) 32%; the University of North Carolina, 25% (OOS is 10.5%). All of these schools have become very difficult to get into - especially for OOS as states drive down on the number of OOS as demand by taxpayers increases.

So UVA at 22.6% (OOS 17%) is right in line with the other publics. But even amongst publics you can't compare precisely because of the system of applicants and the screening role of the public high school counselors. But all counselors will tell you that getting in OOS at UCLA, Berkeley, UNC, etc. is unlikely because of the quality of competition. In California, the OOS class is limited to only 10% as is UNC.

A better indicator of prestige and quality of student are the SCHEV statistics which show that the applicants who arrive on campus have higher stats than Georgetown. Last fall, the 75th percentile of enrolled (the students who actually showed up, not the accepted class, which is higher; some turn down UVA for Ivies or SLACs), was a 4.52 weighted GPA; a whopping 35 on the ACT and a 1510 SAT/=. The median has a 4.39, a whopping 34 ACT and a 1450. Even the bottom 25th percentile has a 4.23, a 32 ACT and a 1400. Now someone will come on and say SCHEV doesn't include all the entering students but SCHEV is a FAR BETTER tool than exists for the private schools in other states. Every Virginia parent should be using it as a reference guide for all privates (yes SCHEV covers privates too) and publics. All the stats you need to know are there. Just enter the name of the college and dig in. Then go to your high school Naviance or equivalent and compare your student's stats to those of his own class. Uou will come away with a very realistic view of your child's chances of getting into Virginia schools. Because we have this tool, applicants are better able to apply to the institutions that they have a chance of getting into. There is no equivalent in other states. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

The “SCHEV” poster always jumps into these discussions and overinflates the role of Virginia public high school guidance counselors on “steering” students to certain VA colleges. Maybe it happens at Langley, but not in any other VA public high school that I ever heard of and certainly not at my kids’ VA public school. They let my kids and all of their friends apply to any VA school they wanted to and didn’t blink an eye. Their reputations were not “on the line” and they’re not all gunning to join college admissions committees either. That’s absurd. I have no idea where this poster has gotten these crazy ideas from, but to extrapolate from their own personal experience where they were advised that their kid wasn’t getting into UVA that all NOVA guidance counselors are steering committees is ridiculous. It’s simply not true.

UVA is without question less selective than Georgetown for in state applicant. It’s not less selective for out of state applicants, however, and the school without question enrolls many, many in state students who could have gotten into Georgetown but never even applied because it makes no sense financially.

Oh my god, that's completely untrue. Georgetown is an overrated school for rich kids who can't make it into ivies. UVA caters more to the middle class that could make the cut but can't afford it. There is a clear and obvious distinction.

Do you have any evidence that a significant percentage of UVA students are admitted to Ivy League schools?

I went to UVA because of cost and was admitted to the 3 ivies that I applied to...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

This is such a ridiculous discussion.

Georgetown is way more selective than UVA: 16% vs 22%. And that's before taking into account the fact that all Common App colleges have artificially low acceptance rates, including UVA. Georgetown does not participate in the Common App.

But financially, instate UVA is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.
Academically, there is no question GU is more reputable.

Done.

End of discussion.

I think you are new to college admissions. If you research it here or anywhere online you will learn that you cannot compare the selectivity/acceptance rates of our nation's public universities to that of private institutions. There are many reasons why but primarily, and certainly in Virginia and California, the applicant pool to the top public schools is self-selecting. Due to SCHEV and other statistical resources, applicants know exactly where they stand vis-a-vis the prior entering class, so can make a better call on chances of getting in than they can for privates. This is also done by the public high school counselor whose job it is to direct applicants to the most suitable public university. When we met with the Langley high school counselor there was absolutely no question that our DD was not UVA material. And if we had pushed on it, the counselor whips out the SCHEV statistics and Naviance to demonstrate why. We could readily see she had a chance of getting into GMU but never UVA or W&M. The public high school counselor will not support the application. Can a parent force it? I suppose so but I've never heard it done. And remember that public high school counselor (whose reputation is on the line with the public universities and often wants to move into admissions at one of those schools) won't be apt to work the letters of recommendation and check off the "most rigorous" box or rave about the student in the advisor's own letter of recommendation (in VA the public high school counselor writes their own letter to the public schools). Because of this system of screening and checks, the applicant pool to the top publics is very elite and primarily the top 6% of public high school students. Hence the rate of selectivity is lower than privates - and remember that privates can throw millions of dollars at marketing to inflate the applicant pool class in order to drive down the acceptance/selectivity numbers. Publics don't have those resources. This is why USNWR doesn't require institutions to submit selectivity numbers anymore . . . they are too easily manipulated by the private institutions, like Northwestern, U of Chicago and Northeastern.

The result is that the top publics have higher percentages of acceptance than top privates: U of Florida is 31.1%; the University of Michigan is 26.1%; UCLA 14.3%; Berkeley is 17.5%; the University of Texas (on a very different system) 32%; the University of North Carolina, 25% (OOS is 10.5%). All of these schools have become very difficult to get into - especially for OOS as states drive down on the number of OOS as demand by taxpayers increases.

So UVA at 22.6% (OOS 17%) is right in line with the other publics. But even amongst publics you can't compare precisely because of the system of applicants and the screening role of the public high school counselors. But all counselors will tell you that getting in OOS at UCLA, Berkeley, UNC, etc. is unlikely because of the quality of competition. In California, the OOS class is limited to only 10% as is UNC.

A better indicator of prestige and quality of student are the SCHEV statistics which show that the applicants who arrive on campus have higher stats than Georgetown. Last fall, the 75th percentile of enrolled (the students who actually showed up, not the accepted class, which is higher; some turn down UVA for Ivies or SLACs), was a 4.52 weighted GPA; a whopping 35 on the ACT and a 1510 SAT/=. The median has a 4.39, a whopping 34 ACT and a 1450. Even the bottom 25th percentile has a 4.23, a 32 ACT and a 1400. Now someone will come on and say SCHEV doesn't include all the entering students but SCHEV is a FAR BETTER tool than exists for the private schools in other states. Every Virginia parent should be using it as a reference guide for all privates (yes SCHEV covers privates too) and publics. All the stats you need to know are there. Just enter the name of the college and dig in. Then go to your high school Naviance or equivalent and compare your student's stats to those of his own class. Uou will come away with a very realistic view of your child's chances of getting into Virginia schools. Because we have this tool, applicants are better able to apply to the institutions that they have a chance of getting into. There is no equivalent in other states. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

The “SCHEV” poster always jumps into these discussions and overinflates the role of Virginia public high school guidance counselors on “steering” students to certain VA colleges. Maybe it happens at Langley, but not in any other VA public high school that I ever heard of and certainly not at my kids’ VA public school. They let my kids and all of their friends apply to any VA school they wanted to and didn’t blink an eye. Their reputations were not “on the line” and they’re not all gunning to join college admissions committees either. That’s absurd. I have no idea where this poster has gotten these crazy ideas from, but to extrapolate from their own personal experience where they were advised that their kid wasn’t getting into UVA that all NOVA guidance counselors are steering committees is ridiculous. It’s simply not true.

UVA is without question less selective than Georgetown for in state applicant. It’s not less selective for out of state applicants, however, and the school without question enrolls many, many in state students who could have gotten into Georgetown but never even applied because it makes no sense financially.

I wonder if UVA OOS is really that much more selective than in state these days. There is a lot of competition for those good OOS students.

Google is your friend: 28 percent of in state applicants were accepted, compared to 15 percent of out of state applicants. So, yes, out of state applicants are accepted at a much lower rate.

https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2022/03/u-va-accepts-record-low-19-percent-of-50962-applicants-for-class-of-2026

Stats are more indicative than acceptance rate.

Duh, obviously, and one can google that too and see that the stats for students admitted from out of state are on average higher than in state. The gap is decreasing though.

Huger stats and lower acceptance rates = more selective.

Average SAT for OOS is 1408 vs 1402 in state. Essentially no difference.

UVA has never emphasized test scores. So this doesn’t tell anywhere near the full story.

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This is such a ridiculous discussion.

Georgetown is way more selective than UVA: 16% vs 22%. And that's before taking into account the fact that all Common App colleges have artificially low acceptance rates, including UVA. Georgetown does not participate in the Common App.

But financially, instate UVA is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.
Academically, there is no question GU is more reputable.

Done.

End of discussion.

I think you are new to college admissions. If you research it here or anywhere online you will learn that you cannot compare the selectivity/acceptance rates of our nation's public universities to that of private institutions. There are many reasons why but primarily, and certainly in Virginia and California, the applicant pool to the top public schools is self-selecting. Due to SCHEV and other statistical resources, applicants know exactly where they stand vis-a-vis the prior entering class, so can make a better call on chances of getting in than they can for privates. This is also done by the public high school counselor whose job it is to direct applicants to the most suitable public university. When we met with the Langley high school counselor there was absolutely no question that our DD was not UVA material. And if we had pushed on it, the counselor whips out the SCHEV statistics and Naviance to demonstrate why. We could readily see she had a chance of getting into GMU but never UVA or W&M. The public high school counselor will not support the application. Can a parent force it? I suppose so but I've never heard it done. And remember that public high school counselor (whose reputation is on the line with the public universities and often wants to move into admissions at one of those schools) won't be apt to work the letters of recommendation and check off the "most rigorous" box or rave about the student in the advisor's own letter of recommendation (in VA the public high school counselor writes their own letter to the public schools). Because of this system of screening and checks, the applicant pool to the top publics is very elite and primarily the top 6% of public high school students. Hence the rate of selectivity is lower than privates - and remember that privates can throw millions of dollars at marketing to inflate the applicant pool class in order to drive down the acceptance/selectivity numbers. Publics don't have those resources. This is why USNWR doesn't require institutions to submit selectivity numbers anymore . . . they are too easily manipulated by the private institutions, like Northwestern, U of Chicago and Northeastern.

The result is that the top publics have higher percentages of acceptance than top privates: U of Florida is 31.1%; the University of Michigan is 26.1%; UCLA 14.3%; Berkeley is 17.5%; the University of Texas (on a very different system) 32%; the University of North Carolina, 25% (OOS is 10.5%). All of these schools have become very difficult to get into - especially for OOS as states drive down on the number of OOS as demand by taxpayers increases.

So UVA at 22.6% (OOS 17%) is right in line with the other publics. But even amongst publics you can't compare precisely because of the system of applicants and the screening role of the public high school counselors. But all counselors will tell you that getting in OOS at UCLA, Berkeley, UNC, etc. is unlikely because of the quality of competition. In California, the OOS class is limited to only 10% as is UNC.

A better indicator of prestige and quality of student are the SCHEV statistics which show that the applicants who arrive on campus have higher stats than Georgetown. Last fall, the 75th percentile of enrolled (the students who actually showed up, not the accepted class, which is higher; some turn down UVA for Ivies or SLACs), was a 4.52 weighted GPA; a whopping 35 on the ACT and a 1510 SAT/=. The median has a 4.39, a whopping 34 ACT and a 1450. Even the bottom 25th percentile has a 4.23, a 32 ACT and a 1400. Now someone will come on and say SCHEV doesn't include all the entering students but SCHEV is a FAR BETTER tool than exists for the private schools in other states. Every Virginia parent should be using it as a reference guide for all privates (yes SCHEV covers privates too) and publics. All the stats you need to know are there. Just enter the name of the college and dig in. Then go to your high school Naviance or equivalent and compare your student's stats to those of his own class. Uou will come away with a very realistic view of your child's chances of getting into Virginia schools. Because we have this tool, applicants are better able to apply to the institutions that they have a chance of getting into. There is no equivalent in other states. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

The “SCHEV” poster always jumps into these discussions and overinflates the role of Virginia public high school guidance counselors on “steering” students to certain VA colleges. Maybe it happens at Langley, but not in any other VA public high school that I ever heard of and certainly not at my kids’ VA public school. They let my kids and all of their friends apply to any VA school they wanted to and didn’t blink an eye. Their reputations were not “on the line” and they’re not all gunning to join college admissions committees either. That’s absurd. I have no idea where this poster has gotten these crazy ideas from, but to extrapolate from their own personal experience where they were advised that their kid wasn’t getting into UVA that all NOVA guidance counselors are steering committees is ridiculous. It’s simply not true.

UVA is without question less selective than Georgetown for in state applicant. It’s not less selective for out of state applicants, however, and the school without question enrolls many, many in state students who could have gotten into Georgetown but never even applied because it makes no sense financially.

I wonder if UVA OOS is really that much more selective than in state these days. There is a lot of competition for those good OOS students.

Google is your friend: 28 percent of in state applicants were accepted, compared to 15 percent of out of state applicants. So, yes, out of state applicants are accepted at a much lower rate.

https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2022/03/u-va-accepts-record-low-19-percent-of-50962-applicants-for-class-of-2026

Stats are more indicative than acceptance rate.

Duh, obviously, and one can google that too and see that the stats for students admitted from out of state are on average higher than in state. The gap is decreasing though.

Huger stats and lower acceptance rates = more selective.

Average SAT for OOS is 1408 vs 1402 in state. Essentially no difference.

UVA has never emphasized test scores. So this doesn’t tell anywhere near the full story.

The average score for the e-school at UVA when I was there was around 140 points over the colleges average.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing about the VA public schools, the counselor write their recommendation before the kid even applies in most cases, as well as the other recommenders. So how is it that the counselor is going to threaten to withhold that or not write as glowing because they don't think the kid should apply to uva?

At our school of 400 or so kids 75-85 apply to UVA. About 10 get in. That's alot of people throwing a hail mary and no one is stopping them.

How do you even know this? My son’s HS just says which colleges the graduates from 2021 got into, not how many got in or how many applied to where.

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This is such a ridiculous discussion.

Georgetown is way more selective than UVA: 16% vs 22%. And that's before taking into account the fact that all Common App colleges have artificially low acceptance rates, including UVA. Georgetown does not participate in the Common App.

But financially, instate UVA is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.
Academically, there is no question GU is more reputable.

Done.

End of discussion.

I think you are new to college admissions. If you research it here or anywhere online you will learn that you cannot compare the selectivity/acceptance rates of our nation's public universities to that of private institutions. There are many reasons why but primarily, and certainly in Virginia and California, the applicant pool to the top public schools is self-selecting. Due to SCHEV and other statistical resources, applicants know exactly where they stand vis-a-vis the prior entering class, so can make a better call on chances of getting in than they can for privates. This is also done by the public high school counselor whose job it is to direct applicants to the most suitable public university. When we met with the Langley high school counselor there was absolutely no question that our DD was not UVA material. And if we had pushed on it, the counselor whips out the SCHEV statistics and Naviance to demonstrate why. We could readily see she had a chance of getting into GMU but never UVA or W&M. The public high school counselor will not support the application. Can a parent force it? I suppose so but I've never heard it done. And remember that public high school counselor (whose reputation is on the line with the public universities and often wants to move into admissions at one of those schools) won't be apt to work the letters of recommendation and check off the "most rigorous" box or rave about the student in the advisor's own letter of recommendation (in VA the public high school counselor writes their own letter to the public schools). Because of this system of screening and checks, the applicant pool to the top publics is very elite and primarily the top 6% of public high school students. Hence the rate of selectivity is lower than privates - and remember that privates can throw millions of dollars at marketing to inflate the applicant pool class in order to drive down the acceptance/selectivity numbers. Publics don't have those resources. This is why USNWR doesn't require institutions to submit selectivity numbers anymore . . . they are too easily manipulated by the private institutions, like Northwestern, U of Chicago and Northeastern.

The result is that the top publics have higher percentages of acceptance than top privates: U of Florida is 31.1%; the University of Michigan is 26.1%; UCLA 14.3%; Berkeley is 17.5%; the University of Texas (on a very different system) 32%; the University of North Carolina, 25% (OOS is 10.5%). All of these schools have become very difficult to get into - especially for OOS as states drive down on the number of OOS as demand by taxpayers increases.

So UVA at 22.6% (OOS 17%) is right in line with the other publics. But even amongst publics you can't compare precisely because of the system of applicants and the screening role of the public high school counselors. But all counselors will tell you that getting in OOS at UCLA, Berkeley, UNC, etc. is unlikely because of the quality of competition. In California, the OOS class is limited to only 10% as is UNC.

A better indicator of prestige and quality of student are the SCHEV statistics which show that the applicants who arrive on campus have higher stats than Georgetown. Last fall, the 75th percentile of enrolled (the students who actually showed up, not the accepted class, which is higher; some turn down UVA for Ivies or SLACs), was a 4.52 weighted GPA; a whopping 35 on the ACT and a 1510 SAT/=. The median has a 4.39, a whopping 34 ACT and a 1450. Even the bottom 25th percentile has a 4.23, a 32 ACT and a 1400. Now someone will come on and say SCHEV doesn't include all the entering students but SCHEV is a FAR BETTER tool than exists for the private schools in other states. Every Virginia parent should be using it as a reference guide for all privates (yes SCHEV covers privates too) and publics. All the stats you need to know are there. Just enter the name of the college and dig in. Then go to your high school Naviance or equivalent and compare your student's stats to those of his own class. Uou will come away with a very realistic view of your child's chances of getting into Virginia schools. Because we have this tool, applicants are better able to apply to the institutions that they have a chance of getting into. There is no equivalent in other states. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

The “SCHEV” poster always jumps into these discussions and overinflates the role of Virginia public high school guidance counselors on “steering” students to certain VA colleges. Maybe it happens at Langley, but not in any other VA public high school that I ever heard of and certainly not at my kids’ VA public school. They let my kids and all of their friends apply to any VA school they wanted to and didn’t blink an eye. Their reputations were not “on the line” and they’re not all gunning to join college admissions committees either. That’s absurd. I have no idea where this poster has gotten these crazy ideas from, but to extrapolate from their own personal experience where they were advised that their kid wasn’t getting into UVA that all NOVA guidance counselors are steering committees is ridiculous. It’s simply not true.

UVA is without question less selective than Georgetown for in state applicant. It’s not less selective for out of state applicants, however, and the school without question enrolls many, many in state students who could have gotten into Georgetown but never even applied because it makes no sense financially.

I wonder if UVA OOS is really that much more selective than in state these days. There is a lot of competition for those good OOS students.

Google is your friend: 28 percent of in state applicants were accepted, compared to 15 percent of out of state applicants. So, yes, out of state applicants are accepted at a much lower rate.

https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2022/03/u-va-accepts-record-low-19-percent-of-50962-applicants-for-class-of-2026

Stats are more indicative than acceptance rate.

Duh, obviously, and one can google that too and see that the stats for students admitted from out of state are on average higher than in state. The gap is decreasing though.

Huger stats and lower acceptance rates = more selective.

Average SAT for OOS is 1408 vs 1402 in state. Essentially no difference.

UVA has never emphasized test scores. So this doesn’t tell anywhere near the full story.

The average score for the e-school at UVA when I was there was around 140 points over the colleges average.

No, it wasn’t. I’ve seen the scores. UVA publishes test scores by college going all the way back to the 1970s. There’s never been that big of a discrepancy. Look it up.

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This is such a ridiculous discussion.

Georgetown is way more selective than UVA: 16% vs 22%. And that's before taking into account the fact that all Common App colleges have artificially low acceptance rates, including UVA. Georgetown does not participate in the Common App.

But financially, instate UVA is OBVIOUSLY the better choice.
Academically, there is no question GU is more reputable.

Done.

End of discussion.

I think you are new to college admissions. If you research it here or anywhere online you will learn that you cannot compare the selectivity/acceptance rates of our nation's public universities to that of private institutions. There are many reasons why but primarily, and certainly in Virginia and California, the applicant pool to the top public schools is self-selecting. Due to SCHEV and other statistical resources, applicants know exactly where they stand vis-a-vis the prior entering class, so can make a better call on chances of getting in than they can for privates. This is also done by the public high school counselor whose job it is to direct applicants to the most suitable public university. When we met with the Langley high school counselor there was absolutely no question that our DD was not UVA material. And if we had pushed on it, the counselor whips out the SCHEV statistics and Naviance to demonstrate why. We could readily see she had a chance of getting into GMU but never UVA or W&M. The public high school counselor will not support the application. Can a parent force it? I suppose so but I've never heard it done. And remember that public high school counselor (whose reputation is on the line with the public universities and often wants to move into admissions at one of those schools) won't be apt to work the letters of recommendation and check off the "most rigorous" box or rave about the student in the advisor's own letter of recommendation (in VA the public high school counselor writes their own letter to the public schools). Because of this system of screening and checks, the applicant pool to the top publics is very elite and primarily the top 6% of public high school students. Hence the rate of selectivity is lower than privates - and remember that privates can throw millions of dollars at marketing to inflate the applicant pool class in order to drive down the acceptance/selectivity numbers. Publics don't have those resources. This is why USNWR doesn't require institutions to submit selectivity numbers anymore . . . they are too easily manipulated by the private institutions, like Northwestern, U of Chicago and Northeastern.

The result is that the top publics have higher percentages of acceptance than top privates: U of Florida is 31.1%; the University of Michigan is 26.1%; UCLA 14.3%; Berkeley is 17.5%; the University of Texas (on a very different system) 32%; the University of North Carolina, 25% (OOS is 10.5%). All of these schools have become very difficult to get into - especially for OOS as states drive down on the number of OOS as demand by taxpayers increases.

So UVA at 22.6% (OOS 17%) is right in line with the other publics. But even amongst publics you can't compare precisely because of the system of applicants and the screening role of the public high school counselors. But all counselors will tell you that getting in OOS at UCLA, Berkeley, UNC, etc. is unlikely because of the quality of competition. In California, the OOS class is limited to only 10% as is UNC.

A better indicator of prestige and quality of student are the SCHEV statistics which show that the applicants who arrive on campus have higher stats than Georgetown. Last fall, the 75th percentile of enrolled (the students who actually showed up, not the accepted class, which is higher; some turn down UVA for Ivies or SLACs), was a 4.52 weighted GPA; a whopping 35 on the ACT and a 1510 SAT/=. The median has a 4.39, a whopping 34 ACT and a 1450. Even the bottom 25th percentile has a 4.23, a 32 ACT and a 1400. Now someone will come on and say SCHEV doesn't include all the entering students but SCHEV is a FAR BETTER tool than exists for the private schools in other states. Every Virginia parent should be using it as a reference guide for all privates (yes SCHEV covers privates too) and publics. All the stats you need to know are there. Just enter the name of the college and dig in. Then go to your high school Naviance or equivalent and compare your student's stats to those of his own class. Uou will come away with a very realistic view of your child's chances of getting into Virginia schools. Because we have this tool, applicants are better able to apply to the institutions that they have a chance of getting into. There is no equivalent in other states. https://research.schev.edu//enrollment/B10_FreshmenProfile.asp

The “SCHEV” poster always jumps into these discussions and overinflates the role of Virginia public high school guidance counselors on “steering” students to certain VA colleges. Maybe it happens at Langley, but not in any other VA public high school that I ever heard of and certainly not at my kids’ VA public school. They let my kids and all of their friends apply to any VA school they wanted to and didn’t blink an eye. Their reputations were not “on the line” and they’re not all gunning to join college admissions committees either. That’s absurd. I have no idea where this poster has gotten these crazy ideas from, but to extrapolate from their own personal experience where they were advised that their kid wasn’t getting into UVA that all NOVA guidance counselors are steering committees is ridiculous. It’s simply not true.

UVA is without question less selective than Georgetown for in state applicant. It’s not less selective for out of state applicants, however, and the school without question enrolls many, many in state students who could have gotten into Georgetown but never even applied because it makes no sense financially.

I wonder if UVA OOS is really that much more selective than in state these days. There is a lot of competition for those good OOS students.

Google is your friend: 28 percent of in state applicants were accepted, compared to 15 percent of out of state applicants. So, yes, out of state applicants are accepted at a much lower rate.

https://www.cavalierdaily.com/article/2022/03/u-va-accepts-record-low-19-percent-of-50962-applicants-for-class-of-2026

Stats are more indicative than acceptance rate.

Duh, obviously, and one can google that too and see that the stats for students admitted from out of state are on average higher than in state. The gap is decreasing though.

Huger stats and lower acceptance rates = more selective.

Average SAT for OOS is 1408 vs 1402 in state. Essentially no difference.

UVA has never emphasized test scores. So this doesn’t tell anywhere near the full story.

The average score for the e-school at UVA when I was there was around 140 points over the colleges average.

No, it wasn’t. I’ve seen the scores. UVA publishes test scores by college going all the way back to the 1970s. There’s never been that big of a discrepancy. Look it up.

The average SAT score was 1464 for engineering in 2021 and 1447 for the college. Thirty years ago, in 1991, the numbers were 1268 for engineering and 1205 for the college. That’s the biggest gap I’ve seen in the last 30 years, and it’s actually deceiving because it was before scores were recentered and the average verbal score was much lower than the average math score nationwide. When scores were recentered in 1996 the numbers for UVA changed to 1339 for engineering and 1289 for the college - a 50 point difference reflected entirely in the math score.

Did you enroll at UVA a decade or two before 1991?

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing about the VA public schools, the counselor write their recommendation before the kid even applies in most cases, as well as the other recommenders. So how is it that the counselor is going to threaten to withhold that or not write as glowing because they don't think the kid should apply to uva?

At our school of 400 or so kids 75-85 apply to UVA. About 10 get in. That's alot of people throwing a hail mary and no one is stopping them.

I agree with everything you just said except for the part about only 10 from your class of 400 getting in. There’s no high school in all of NOVA with that low of a number. Sorry.

DP

It’s 2022 now, not 1992. Only six got in from my kid’s HS this past year.

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Look at this, another thread that descends into hyperbolic rants and name calling by people that appear to be unhinged...so predictable.

Everyone's entitled to express their own opinion, but when one side (or party) to a debate is repeatedly citing made-up 'alternate facts' falsehoods, they need to be called out on it. And not coyly or discreetly but candidly.

If the past few years have taught us Americans anything, it's that we need to have a more effective response to public dishonesty than just wondering why both sides can't get along, or lamenting the decline of civil discourse.

In my opinion you are an argumentative clown that is over invested in meaningless bilge on an anonymous forum. I could care less about the level of discourse or whether both sides get along, quite frankly I think people that exhibit tendencies such as yours are worthless and not worth taking serious. I can only imagine you are an absolute miserable person which amuses me.

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Anonymous wrote:Here's the thing about the VA public schools, the counselor write their recommendation before the kid even applies in most cases, as well as the other recommenders. So how is it that the counselor is going to threaten to withhold that or not write as glowing because they don't think the kid should apply to uva?

At our school of 400 or so kids 75-85 apply to UVA. About 10 get in. That's alot of people throwing a hail mary and no one is stopping them.

I agree with everything you just said except for the part about only 10 from your class of 400 getting in. There’s no high school in all of NOVA with that low of a number. Sorry.

DP

It’s 2022 now, not 1992. Only six got in from my kid’s HS this past year.

Name the school. You can easily do that without outing yourself. It’s simply not true.