Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

WTF are the trolls prattling about?

Who TF cares what they’re trying to distract everyone about? This is awesome news.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Obama be like :
“Come check out my pad. Take your time. Let me pour you some lemonade!”

Exactly. If there was nothing to hide, Trump and his followers shouldn’t be worried IF HE HAD NOTHING TO HIDE!

Isn’t that what they all say whenever a black person or Muslim is searched due to being racially profiled??

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“Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

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Anonymous wrote:“Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

Oh stop. We are at risk from political prosecutions, but we are also at risk for public corruption. Lets see where this goes.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

So you are saying that a former president should be exempt from being held accountable for crimes?

+1 And if you don’t see how that will affect every future presidency, “I don’t know what to tell you.”

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Obama be like :
“Come check out my pad. Take your time. Let me pour you some lemonade!”

Exactly. If there was nothing to hide, Trump and his followers shouldn’t be worried IF HE HAD NOTHING TO HIDE!

Isn’t that what they all say whenever a black person or Muslim is searched due to being racially profiled??

Stop giving trolls ideas.

This is not equivalent to an unjustified racial profiling or political persecution. Donald has an unlimited supply of crimes and I believe FBI must have good reason to have a raid.

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Anonymous wrote:“Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it.”

Yes sweetie. We let Nixon slide… and ended up with Trump, but don’t worry we’ve learned. 😉

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Anonymous wrote:Obama be like :
“Come check out my pad. Take your time. Let me pour you some lemonade!”

Exactly. If there was nothing to hide, Trump and his followers shouldn’t be worried IF HE HAD NOTHING TO HIDE!

Isn’t that what they all say whenever a black person or Muslim is searched due to being racially profiled??

Stop giving trolls ideas.

This is not equivalent to an unjustified racial profiling or political persecution. Donald has an unlimited supply of crimes and I believe FBI must have good reason to have a raid.

I’m the Obama lemonade poster. I wasn’t being deep. I just love the idea of the Obamas sitting at home, shaking their heads, sippin tea.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

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This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

Why are you so sure this raid is solely about the Presidential Records Act? That is the reason that has leaked publically, which is convenient for the Justice Dept because that investigation was already known. However, given the dangerous precedent you describe, it’s highly unlikely that Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept would execute a search warrant/ pursue an indictment solely based on the violation of the PRA. It’s possible there were multiple crimes cited on the warrant that haven’t leaked. It’s also possible that the content of the illegally taken documents implicates Trump on more serious charges. We will not know this until indictments come out. The Justice Dept hasn’t had any leaks before taking such dramatic action. They aren’t going to leak about other investigations and tip their hats.

Perhaps the “records retention act” violation was a pretext to grab all the documents they could find, to go on a fishing expedition to find other potential crimes to charge him with.

Search warrants are very limited.

Does everyone else not remember when the National Archives retrieved classified documents from Mar A Lago, and referred the case to the DOJ?

+1 There were some that were so classified/sensitive that officials couldn’t even describe them to the court. That’s a BFD. No paywall -https://wapo.st/3ddeewM

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Obama be like :
“Come check out my pad. Take your time. Let me pour you some lemonade!”

Exactly. If there was nothing to hide, Trump and his followers shouldn’t be worried IF HE HAD NOTHING TO HIDE!

Isn’t that what they all say whenever a black person or Muslim is searched due to being racially profiled??

Stop giving trolls ideas.

This is not equivalent to an unjustified racial profiling or political persecution. Donald has an unlimited supply of crimes and I believe FBI must have good reason to have a raid.

I’m the Obama lemonade poster. I wasn’t being deep. I just love the idea of the Obamas sitting at home, shaking their heads, sippin tea.

I think you mean Kermit the Frog? Otherwise this makes no sense.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

If you don’t see what a disastrous, ruinous decision this is, I don’t know what to tell you.

Agree it’ll be rough if the FBI doesn’t find some pretty wild stuff. But you know they will. And you know know you won’t be persuaded even if they find a decaying body in the septic tank or a [gasp!] classified server on the property.

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I'm really curious about what he stole from the white house. This can't be just like the Clintons taking a couple of tables or what not. I feel like it must be related to national security.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

If you don’t see what a disastrous, ruinous decision this is, I don’t know what to tell you.

Agree it’ll be rough if the FBI doesn’t find some pretty wild stuff. But you know they will. And you know know you won’t be persuaded even if they find a decaying body in the septic tank or a [gasp!] classified server on the property.

That would be quite a twist! Dead bodies, rogue servers. I would be here for it.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

If you don’t see what a disastrous, ruinous decision this is, I don’t know what to tell you.

Agree it’ll be rough if the FBI doesn’t find some pretty wild stuff. But you know they will. And you know know you won’t be persuaded even if they find a decaying body in the septic tank or a [gasp!] classified server on the property.

This is what I'm thinking. The would have had to get a warrant - and I can't see a federal judge signing one willy nilly without the allegations being very serious. Trump is a former president, after all - a corrupt, treasonous, former president, but a former president nevertheless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm really curious about what he stole from the white house. This can't be just like the Clintons taking a couple of tables or what not. I feel like it must be related to national security.

They said it was classified documents.