Donnie Dumptruck says Mar-A-Lago's been searched by the FBI

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the police did that to me in 2012, nothing funny about it. we shouldnt be lauhing

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

If you don’t see what a disastrous, ruinous decision this is, I don’t know what to tell you.

Oh, please do tell me. This’ll be good.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

We are way past the starting line. Where were you when a loser presidential candidate incited civil war by sending his armed supporters to hang his VP and kill speaker of the house and GOP was all okay to exonerate that loser?

We already went through a lot of dangerous stuff since the time Donald became president. And do not scare us not to prosecute a criminal just because he still has a delusional aspiration to win and GOP has no checks on him!

Well, at least you are honest that the objective is to punish trump for unrelated conduct. I disagree that escalation is the right approach, because these things tend to get far, far worse.

PP did no such thing.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

WTF are the trolls prattling about?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

We are way past the starting line. Where were you when a loser presidential candidate incited civil war by sending his armed supporters to hang his VP and kill speaker of the house and GOP was all okay to exonerate that loser?

We already went through a lot of dangerous stuff since the time Donald became president. And do not scare us not to prosecute a criminal just because he still has a delusional aspiration to win and GOP has no checks on him!

Well, at least you are honest that the objective is to punish trump for unrelated conduct. I disagree that escalation is the right approach, because these things tend to get far, far worse.

We're already in the far, far worse.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

If you don’t see what a disastrous, ruinous decision this is, I don’t know what to tell you.

Do tell. We’re all ears.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

So you are saying that a former president should be exempt from being held accountable for crimes?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

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This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

Why are you so sure this raid is solely about the Presidential Records Act? That is the reason that has leaked publically, which is convenient for the Justice Dept because that investigation was already known. However, given the dangerous precedent you describe, it’s highly unlikely that Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept would execute a search warrant/ pursue an indictment solely based on the violation of the PRA. It’s possible there were multiple crimes cited on the warrant that haven’t leaked. It’s also possible that the content of the illegally taken documents implicates Trump on more serious charges. We will not know this until indictments come out. The Justice Dept hasn’t had any leaks before taking such dramatic action. They aren’t going to leak about other investigations and tip their hats.

Perhaps the “records retention act” violation was a pretext to grab all the documents they could find, to go on a fishing expedition to find other potential crimes to charge him with.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

We are way past the starting line. Where were you when a loser presidential candidate incited civil war by sending his armed supporters to hang his VP and kill speaker of the house and GOP was all okay to exonerate that loser?

We already went through a lot of dangerous stuff since the time Donald became president. And do not scare us not to prosecute a criminal just because he still has a delusional aspiration to win and GOP has no checks on him!

Well, at least you are honest that the objective is to punish trump for unrelated conduct. I disagree that escalation is the right approach, because these things tend to get far, far worse.

Nope, that’s not what I said. Donnie is a criminal and FBI has probable cause to raid MAL. Your concern trolling is unappreciated because your likes excused actual democracy undermining acts (the raid is not one of them) of GOP!

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

+1

This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

Why are you so sure this raid is solely about the Presidential Records Act? That is the reason that has leaked publically, which is convenient for the Justice Dept because that investigation was already known. However, given the dangerous precedent you describe, it’s highly unlikely that Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept would execute a search warrant/ pursue an indictment solely based on the violation of the PRA. It’s possible there were multiple crimes cited on the warrant that haven’t leaked. It’s also possible that the content of the illegally taken documents implicates Trump on more serious charges. We will not know this until indictments come out. The Justice Dept hasn’t had any leaks before taking such dramatic action. They aren’t going to leak about other investigations and tip their hats.

Hmmm, I recall that in the latter part of his presidency, there was a lot of concern he'd leak classified but it wasnt clear what the reason for the concern was.

Maybe Trump will just go live in the middle east like other disgraced celebrities.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

DP. Biden isn't the one doing this. Do you realize that? Of course you do, but you aren't thinking about what that means.

Think about what that means.

Ironically it is trump appointed Christopher Wray who would be "blamed" for authorizing the raid. It also would require Garland and a Federal Judge.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

+1

This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

Why are you so sure this raid is solely about the Presidential Records Act? That is the reason that has leaked publically, which is convenient for the Justice Dept because that investigation was already known. However, given the dangerous precedent you describe, it’s highly unlikely that Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept would execute a search warrant/ pursue an indictment solely based on the violation of the PRA. It’s possible there were multiple crimes cited on the warrant that haven’t leaked. It’s also possible that the content of the illegally taken documents implicates Trump on more serious charges. We will not know this until indictments come out. The Justice Dept hasn’t had any leaks before taking such dramatic action. They aren’t going to leak about other investigations and tip their hats.

Perhaps the “records retention act” violation was a pretext to grab all the documents they could find, to go on a fishing expedition to find other potential crimes to charge him with.

Search warrants are very limited.

Does everyone else not remember when the National Archives retrieved classified documents from Mar A Lago, and referred the case to the DOJ?

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

Oh so this is scary and not the attempt of a coup, the fake electors and all the new laws in some states to overturn the will of the people by legislators?

That’s not why the FBI searched his house. It was for alleged violations of the “Presidential Records Act.” Election disputes are common throughout our history, but a former president (let alone one who can run for another term) has NEVER been charged in our history. Do you doubt that the next republican would start charging democrats? Anyone can be charged with something. I wonder how many sitting democratic senators have ever violated federal records retention laws?

Do you understand that there needs to be clear evidence of crimes to get a federal search warrant on anyone, particularly a former President who’s constantly blathering about running again?

Yes, and do you understand that we have thousands of laws in this country and that prosecutors could find a violation to prosecute anyone they want? Literally anyone. Do you really think that the *reason* the FBI is going after him is solely because they are worried about the “Presidential Records Act”?

This is really, really dangerous stuff.

I must admit that I don’t understand what is dangerous about finding evidence of a crime, asking a judge for a warrant, and then executing the warrant. That happens multiple times a day, every day, in this country.

Ok. Do you understand history? Do you understand what happened to the Roman republic and what the actual causes of its fall were? How about the many other counties that have fallen into dictatorship after a cycle of political prosecutions?

Haha, Roman Empire!

This is not a political persecution. Donnie committed many crimes and what FBI was searching for and what they got we have no idea about. So stop scare mongering!

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Wray is a registered Republican. Appointed by Trump.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

+1

This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

the president didn’t charge anyone. the fbi - led by a trump appointee - conducted this raid. there haven’t been any criminal charges. yet!

do you really believe this is about him committing some trivial infraction? because i don’t. it would have to be very serious for this to be happening. he didn’t take his stash of white house menus or forget to return a playstation.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a scary development, and I wish more people knew history. We will set a precedent in this country of prosecuting political rivals, and the republicans will do the same thing the next time a republican president is elected. And presidents will know that they can NEVER surrender power, since they’d be prosecuted after leaving office. So that will force them to seize dictatorial powers. This is exactly what happened with Julius Caesar and is how the Roman republic ended. Prosecuting political rivals will put us on the path to a civil war, which will end with one party authoritarian rule.

+1

This is a serious question. Are you assuming there is NO probable cause? What if there is probable cause - should they not raid bc he is a former president? What scenarios are you okay and not okay with this raid? Again, serious question.

Correct. They should not prosecute this “crime” precisely because he is a former president and prospective front runner. Because everyone knows that any prosecution is not actually about enforcing the Presidential Records Act, it is instead a pure power play. And power plays are returned in kind by the other side. This is exactly how civil wars start.

So any President can commit any crime whatsoever because investigating them could cause a civil war? That’s a recipe for a banana republic.

Do you think that there, just maybe, is a spectrum of criminal violations and that, if so, that records retention rules might be on the “not so important” end of that spectrum?

Honest question, if the next GOP president decides to audit every prominent Democrat and then charge many of them with tax code violations, would you think that would be ok? Do you see how prosecuting trump could set a precedent that could lead to things like that? Honest question.

Why are you so sure this raid is solely about the Presidential Records Act? That is the reason that has leaked publically, which is convenient for the Justice Dept because that investigation was already known. However, given the dangerous precedent you describe, it’s highly unlikely that Merrick Garland’s Justice Dept would execute a search warrant/ pursue an indictment solely based on the violation of the PRA. It’s possible there were multiple crimes cited on the warrant that haven’t leaked. It’s also possible that the content of the illegally taken documents implicates Trump on more serious charges. We will not know this until indictments come out. The Justice Dept hasn’t had any leaks before taking such dramatic action. They aren’t going to leak about other investigations and tip their hats.

Perhaps the “records retention act” violation was a pretext to grab all the documents they could find, to go on a fishing expedition to find other potential crimes to charge him with.

According to reports, the Archives was concerned about the nature and subject of missing documents that were so sensitiive that they could not be itemized in the warrant. This isn't a fishing expedition, that isn't how the warrants work. Stop watching Fox.