Best traction at the Ivies?

[Anonymous]

Under what circumstances would an Ivy be "the best school and program that is the best fit" over a non-Ivy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public schools, and not necessarily great ones. Times have changed.

That's the in vogue answer these days, but the publicly available numbers and the Naviance data I've seen for a few well-regarded public schools just don't bear that out (TJ notwithstanding).

Where is the data from the Ivies stating what percentage of their students are from "regular" (not magnet, not high performing) public schools? Is this in Naviance? The poster said they're not all coming from "well-regarded schools." I have personally witnessed this. There is a pull away from admitting only the privileged, though privilege will still be present, of course.

Bethesda Magazine publishes a comprehensive list of destination schools for all HS grads

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public schools, and not necessarily great ones. Times have changed.

That's the in vogue answer these days, but the publicly available numbers and the Naviance data I've seen for a few well-regarded public schools just don't bear that out (TJ notwithstanding).

Even TJ only sends the top kids to top colleges. There are many qualified students who probably would have matriculated to better colleges had they not attended TJ, but all public schools are capped and thus have raised standards. It’s a scam.

TJ likely will send fewer students to the Ivys now that wokeness and “equity” have replaced academic achievement in TJ’s application process.

Yep, that leaves the privates to sweep in and take all the good marticulation spots. However St. albans marticulation will also unfortunately likely be at odds, as that school historically has not arrived for “equity”.

Ivy presidents and their admissions deans are quite familiar with the fact that unlike other top DC privates, GDS was founded on social justice principles and has been a national DEI leader from its inception.

And they still have worse college marticulation than STA when accounting class size

GDS sets the pace in the “Big 3” in Harvard admissions. It’s been that way for some time.

Is that true even when adjusted for the size of the graduating class?

It very well may be, but STA takes the cake certainly with Yale and most other Ivy colleges. Not to mention Chicago, which is a T5 school and no school sends anything close to STA.

Except for Sidwell. Especially this year.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public schools, and not necessarily great ones. Times have changed.

That's the in vogue answer these days, but the publicly available numbers and the Naviance data I've seen for a few well-regarded public schools just don't bear that out (TJ notwithstanding).

Even TJ only sends the top kids to top colleges. There are many qualified students who probably would have matriculated to better colleges had they not attended TJ, but all public schools are capped and thus have raised standards. It’s a scam.

TJ likely will send fewer students to the Ivys now that wokeness and “equity” have replaced academic achievement in TJ’s application process.

Yep, that leaves the privates to sweep in and take all the good marticulation spots. However St. albans marticulation will also unfortunately likely be at odds, as that school historically has not arrived for “equity”.

Ivy presidents and their admissions deans are quite familiar with the fact that unlike other top DC privates, GDS was founded on social justice principles and has been a national DEI leader from its inception.

And they still have worse college marticulation than STA when accounting class size

GDS sets the pace in the “Big 3” in Harvard admissions. It’s been that way for some time.

Is that true even when adjusted for the size of the graduating class?

It very well may be, but STA takes the cake certainly with Yale and most other Ivy colleges. Not to mention Chicago, which is a T5 school and no school sends anything close to STA.

Except for Sidwell. Especially this year.

GDS has a pretty amazing Ivy record, particularly with Harvard. People joke that Harvard practically could have a “GDS House” alongside Eliot or Winthrop!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public schools, and not necessarily great ones. Times have changed.

That's the in vogue answer these days, but the publicly available numbers and the Naviance data I've seen for a few well-regarded public schools just don't bear that out (TJ notwithstanding).

Even TJ only sends the top kids to top colleges. There are many qualified students who probably would have matriculated to better colleges had they not attended TJ, but all public schools are capped and thus have raised standards. It’s a scam.

TJ likely will send fewer students to the Ivys now that wokeness and “equity” have replaced academic achievement in TJ’s application process.

Yep, that leaves the privates to sweep in and take all the good marticulation spots. However St. albans marticulation will also unfortunately likely be at odds, as that school historically has not arrived for “equity”.

Ivy presidents and their admissions deans are quite familiar with the fact that unlike other top DC privates, GDS was founded on social justice principles and has been a national DEI leader from its inception.

And they still have worse college marticulation than STA when accounting class size

GDS sets the pace in the “Big 3” in Harvard admissions. It’s been that way for some time.

Is that true even when adjusted for the size of the graduating class?

It very well may be, but STA takes the cake certainly with Yale and most other Ivy colleges. Not to mention Chicago, which is a T5 school and no school sends anything close to STA.

Except for Sidwell. Especially this year.

GDS has a pretty amazing Ivy record, particularly with Harvard. People joke that Harvard practically could have a “GDS House” alongside Eliot or Winthrop!

Not sure who the "people" are that you're referring to, but I've never heard that joke. 14 students to Harvard between 2017 - 2020 doesn't seem like it would warrant it. Am I missing something?

https://www.gds.org/academics/college-counseling/matriculation

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Public schools, and not necessarily great ones. Times have changed.

That's the in vogue answer these days, but the publicly available numbers and the Naviance data I've seen for a few well-regarded public schools just don't bear that out (TJ notwithstanding).

Even TJ only sends the top kids to top colleges. There are many qualified students who probably would have matriculated to better colleges had they not attended TJ, but all public schools are capped and thus have raised standards. It’s a scam.

TJ likely will send fewer students to the Ivys now that wokeness and “equity” have replaced academic achievement in TJ’s application process.

Yep, that leaves the privates to sweep in and take all the good marticulation spots. However St. albans marticulation will also unfortunately likely be at odds, as that school historically has not arrived for “equity”.

Ivy presidents and their admissions deans are quite familiar with the fact that unlike other top DC privates, GDS was founded on social justice principles and has been a national DEI leader from its inception.

And they still have worse college marticulation than STA when accounting class size

GDS sets the pace in the “Big 3” in Harvard admissions. It’s been that way for some time.

Is that true even when adjusted for the size of the graduating class?

It very well may be, but STA takes the cake certainly with Yale and most other Ivy colleges. Not to mention Chicago, which is a T5 school and no school sends anything close to STA.

Except for Sidwell. Especially this year.

GDS has a pretty amazing Ivy record, particularly with Harvard. People joke that Harvard practically could have a “GDS House” alongside Eliot or Winthrop!

Not sure who the "people" are that you're referring to, but I've never heard that joke. 14 students to Harvard between 2017 - 2020 doesn't seem like it would warrant it. Am I missing something?

https://www.gds.org/academics/college-counseling/matriculation

Yes, you have to drink the GDS kool-aid and then read the list.

[Anonymous]

Colleges and Universities are walking away from privates. The days of 'feeder k-12' schools are over. If you look at the stats from freshman class of top 15 schools, you'll find they are casting a far wider net. Instead of compiling a 1700 person class from 500 high schools, now its north of 1200 high schools.

Look at the matriculation lists from schools like St. Marks in Dallas, Trinity School in NYC or Exeter.

https://undercovermother.substack.com/p/this-side-of-paradise

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges and Universities are walking away from privates. The days of 'feeder k-12' schools are over. If you look at the stats from freshman class of top 15 schools, you'll find they are casting a far wider net. Instead of compiling a 1700 person class from 500 high schools, now its north of 1200 high schools.

Look at the matriculation lists from schools like St. Marks in Dallas, Trinity School in NYC or Exeter.

https://undercovermother.substack.com/p/this-side-of-paradise

Could you point me to this data? I'd love to see it, as I haven't been able to find any sort of compiled/aggregated set of trend data that shows a move away from independent schools, particularly the type of move that would lead one to say that top schools are walking away from private schools. Thanks!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Colleges and Universities are walking away from privates. The days of 'feeder k-12' schools are over. If you look at the stats from freshman class of top 15 schools, you'll find they are casting a far wider net. Instead of compiling a 1700 person class from 500 high schools, now its north of 1200 high schools.

Look at the matriculation lists from schools like St. Marks in Dallas, Trinity School in NYC or Exeter.

https://undercovermother.substack.com/p/this-side-of-paradise

This link is poorly written conspiracy theory - but if you buy into it, you will always think my opinion is subservient to independent school middle management and it will be hard to have a rational conversation.

I agree that universities are casting a wider net but I also believe, based on data readily available, that Ivy admissions are higher at certain DC private schools than many other schools in the country (likely 15-20% range). But also, who cares if the school is not a good fit for your kid?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Y'all make it sound like these types of hooks exist only at the private schools, when places like Whitman are sending plenty of legacies and recruited athletes to HYPS too.

No, this thread just happens to be about private schools. Why are you expecting information about Whitman in a thread asking about Ivy matriculations from private schools?

[Anonymous]

Beyond being a recruited athlete and/or VIP legacy, OP - the chance of getting into an Ivy is slim OP.

[Anonymous]

GDS parent here: there are 30 plus kids not accounted for on the GDS Insta college posting site since the kids decide of they want to post At least 5 who decided not to post got into top Ivy League schools (one Harvard one Yale and 3 other Ivies I know of (nice they didn't want to brag but I am sharing this for purposes if the discussion,) . The total to Ivies plus stanford and MIT is abput 25-30 people which is about 20-25 percent of the class. I think this is pretty typical for GDS. I have heard anecdotally that Sidwell had a tough year- no one early into Brown etc. And St Albans had a typical year similar to GDS.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:GDS parent here: there are 30 plus kids not accounted for on the GDS Insta college posting site since the kids decide of they want to post At least 5 who decided not to post got into top Ivy League schools (one Harvard one Yale and 3 other Ivies I know of (nice they didn't want to brag but I am sharing this for purposes if the discussion,) . The total to Ivies plus stanford and MIT is abput 25-30 people which is about 20-25 percent of the class. I think this is pretty typical for GDS. I have heard anecdotally that Sidwell had a tough year- no one early into Brown etc. And St Albans had a typical year similar to GDS.

You neeed to breakdown: recruited athletes, legacies and URMs + see if anyone outside those categories were accepted.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GDS parent here: there are 30 plus kids not accounted for on the GDS Insta college posting site since the kids decide of they want to post At least 5 who decided not to post got into top Ivy League schools (one Harvard one Yale and 3 other Ivies I know of (nice they didn't want to brag but I am sharing this for purposes if the discussion,) . The total to Ivies plus stanford and MIT is abput 25-30 people which is about 20-25 percent of the class. I think this is pretty typical for GDS. I have heard anecdotally that Sidwell had a tough year- no one early into Brown etc. And St Albans had a typical year similar to GDS.

You neeed to breakdown: recruited athletes, legacies and URMs + see if anyone outside those categories were accepted.

NP here but this breakdown will never happen: no one knows all of that info. But the narrative that each of these kids are legacies, athletes or minorities is false. Some are but way fewer than the DCUM mafia claim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:GDS parent here: there are 30 plus kids not accounted for on the GDS Insta college posting site since the kids decide of they want to post At least 5 who decided not to post got into top Ivy League schools (one Harvard one Yale and 3 other Ivies I know of (nice they didn't want to brag but I am sharing this for purposes if the discussion,) . The total to Ivies plus stanford and MIT is abput 25-30 people which is about 20-25 percent of the class. I think this is pretty typical for GDS. I have heard anecdotally that Sidwell had a tough year- no one early into Brown etc. And St Albans had a typical year similar to GDS.

You neeed to breakdown: recruited athletes, legacies and URMs + see if anyone outside those categories were accepted.

NP here but this breakdown will never happen: no one knows all of that info. But the narrative that each of these kids are legacies, athletes or minorities is false. Some are but way fewer than the DCUM mafia claim.

false. it is well known that all legacies, athletes and URMs come solely from private schools and all kids who are not hooked come from public schools. this is the rule.