My hot take - if you own an AR-15 you have a few loose screws

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I am a Republican and a Trump voter and I agree with you 100% OP. There is no reason these things should exist in the hands of civilian, everyday people. PP's analogy to owning a personal stock of nuclear weapons or grenades is a good one.

PS - I believe that we should start holding the gun manufacturers more responsible.

DP... I get that most people aren't one issue voters, but the R party has just gone of the deepend in many ways, and gun control, especially wrt assault rifles, is one of them.

Even the Bushes have turned their backs on the NRA.

-former R

Well baby Bush is the one who unleashed assault weapons back into circulation when he let the ban lapse. At the time they were banned there were ~ 20-30k in circulation. When his Republican Congress failed to reinstate it, W was like 🤷🏻‍♂️ IIRC less than ten years later there were ~ 500k in circulation.

The next time GWB is interviewed someone should ask him if he regrets letting it lapse. Really stick it to him and remind him of his grandbabies who are probably getting close in age to the Texas victims. Hell his daughter was a school teacher

Yeah! That will fix it!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it like a tommy gun gangsters carried during Prohibition era 1920s? Remember in the musical Chicago how the two female leads used the tommy guns as props?

No. Those have been regulated since the 1930s.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In reading the news reports, the bad guy could have been in the classroom with a baseball bat and a fake gun and done as much damage because the cops refused to enter for an hour.

So much for Texans being tough and all that. What a terrible fiasco for everyone.

absolutely not. Damage from AR15 is horrific, way worse than a normal handgun, a knife or baseball bat. Ask doctors who have treated AR15 victims.

I mean to say that the 18 year old could have killed those all kids with a bat (or a knife or a shotgun or literally anything else), as well as those two women, because he had all the time in the world to do it. I'm not saying don't ban AR-15's because I don't care for guns. I'm saying that he had all the time in the world because the police didn't intervene.

This is ridiculous.

If it were a knife or baseball bat:

- people can easily run away, because they can only be killed at close range. A guy with a knife isn't going to kill someone down the hall.
- 2-3 teachers could have easily overpowered a skinny 18 year old with a knife or bat
- people are far more likely to survive a knife or blunt force trauma wound
- Police would not have waited an hour, one cop with a gun can very easily take out a guy with a bat. Hell, even a taser will take out a guy with a knife.

I'm so sick of the "well they'll just use knives!" argument. No, knives are not as deadly as firearms.

Well there was the unabomber. Personally I can think of a dozen ways to kill large numbers of people, but I’m not a psychopath and I don’t think your average school shooter is that bright. These guys use guns because it’s the easiest way and requires zero thinking skills to plan and carry out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

“Assault rifle.” An AR15 lacks fully automatic capability. It cannot, by any definition, be an “assault weapon.” It is no different in operation than numerous other rifles, many if not most of them predating WWII. It just “looks scary.”

Nobody here claimed that AR-15s are fully automatic.

And if you are struggling with the definition of “assault rifle”, here is a good start for you:
https://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0241.htm

The law defines an “assault weapon” as (1) a selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic, or burst fire at the user's option; (2) any of more than 150 named semiautomatic firearms, including semiautomatic centerfire rifles and semiautomatic pistols (see Appendix 1); (3) a semiautomatic firearm that has certain features; and (4) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

The definition of an “assault weapon” includes any part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon or any combination of parts from which one may be rapidly assembled if possessed or controlled by the same person. It does not include (1) firearms rendered permanently inoperable or (2) unassembled parts or combination of parts possessed by a licensed gun dealer or gunsmith he or she employs for repairing or servicing a lawfully possessed weapon.

An AR-15 is not select fire.

[Anonymous]

I think most gun owners have a screw loose. It's not like having a gun is vital to their job/employment, or they're using it only for hunting and sustenance from the land.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

“Assault rifle.” An AR15 lacks fully automatic capability. It cannot, by any definition, be an “assault weapon.” It is no different in operation than numerous other rifles, many if not most of them predating WWII. It just “looks scary.”

Nobody here claimed that AR-15s are fully automatic.

And if you are struggling with the definition of “assault rifle”, here is a good start for you:
https://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0241.htm

The law defines an “assault weapon” as (1) a selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic, or burst fire at the user's option; (2) any of more than 150 named semiautomatic firearms, including semiautomatic centerfire rifles and semiautomatic pistols (see Appendix 1); (3) a semiautomatic firearm that has certain features; and (4) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

The definition of an “assault weapon” includes any part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon or any combination of parts from which one may be rapidly assembled if possessed or controlled by the same person. It does not include (1) firearms rendered permanently inoperable or (2) unassembled parts or combination of parts possessed by a licensed gun dealer or gunsmith he or she employs for repairing or servicing a lawfully possessed weapon.

An AR-15 is not select fire.

It’s listed under #2.

More detailed definition if you looked at the link:
Assault Weapon Defined

The law, as amended by PA 13-3, defines an “assault weapon” as:

1. any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic, or burst fire at the user's option;

2. any of a list of named semiautomatic firearms, pistols, or centerfire rifles or copies or duplicates with their capability in production on or before April 4, 2013 (see Appendix 1);

3. any IZHMASH Saiga 12 shotguns or copies or duplicates with their capability in production on or before April 4, 2013;

4. a semiautomatic pistol or semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds;

5. a semiautomatic centerfire rifle shorter than 30 inches;

6. a semiautomatic shotgun that can accept a detachable magazine;

7. a semiautomatic shotgun that has both (a) a folding or telescoping stock and (b) a grip, including a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, or other stock that, when used, would allow a person to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand and trigger finger being directly below any part of the action of the weapon when firing; and

8. a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

The definition of an assault weapon includes any semiautomatic centerfire rifle that can accept a detachable magazine (one that can be removed without disassembling the firearm action) and has at least one of the following features:

1. a folding or telescoping stock;

2. a grip, such as a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, or other stock, the use of which would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing;

3. a forward pistol grip;

4. a flash suppressor; or

5. a grenade launcher or flare launcher.

The definition of an assault weapon also includes any semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following features:

1. the ability to accept a detachable ammunition magazine that attaches at some location outside of the pistol grip;

2. a threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward pistol grip, or silencer;

3. a shroud attached to, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel and permits the shooter to fire the firearm without being burned, except a slide that encloses the barrel; or

4. a second hand grip.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I know a dozen people with AR15s. None of them have a screw loose except my brother, and he’s not dangerous, just a religious fundamentalist.

They are really fun to shoot, so I can see the appeal for sport. I’ve shot one a few times. I’d be happy if they were banned tomorrow, but it’s disengenuous to infer anyone who has one is a lunatic. It also makes you seem really closed-minded. It would be much more effective to say “hey, I know this thing is fun and I can see the appeal, but it’s currently impossible to keep schools safe right now with them readily available…why don’t we close down sales of assault weapons and meanwhile use that 100 billion of unused COVID relief school have just sitting there to update safety measures and hire more and better trained security at the same time.”

It's easy enough for anyone to become mentally unstable, and I would argue, especially a religous zealot. Just look at the extremist muslims. And I say this as a Christian.

Which is why having teachers/admins in school have guns is a really bad idea. What would happen if someone had a bad day, and they have access to guns.

Our society has clearly shown that people are unstable + access to guns = lots of dead people.

We can't lock away everyone, and we don't have Precogs to foretell if someone is about to lose it, so that only leaves banning these types of guns.

What "safety" measure would have helped in this situation? The cops did zilch. They were "trained", and they broke every protocol. How would a metal detector stopped this guy?

The only thing that will work, as other countries have shown, is to ban those types of guns.

[Anonymous]

Table 1: List of Assault Weapons Named in Statutes

Weapon Name

Algimec Agmi

Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89

AK-47 or -74*

Holmes MP-83

AKM*

Intratec TEC-DC9 & AB 10*

AKS-74U*

Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion

American Spirit AR-15*

I.O. Inc. Hellpup AK-47*

AR-10 or -15*

I.O. Inc. PPS-43C*

ARM*

Iver Johnson enforcer model 3000

Armalite AR-180

IZHMASH Saiga AK*

Armalite M 15*

Kel-Tec PLR-16 Pistol*

Australian Automatic Arms SAP pistol

Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU rifles, and RFB*

Auto-Ordnance Thompson type

MAC-10, MAC-11, and MAC 11 carbine type

Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type

MAADI AK 47*

Barrett M107A1 or REC7*

MAK90*

Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1

Masterpiece Arms MPA pistols*

Beretta AR-70

Mini-Draco AK 47*

Beretta Storm*

MISR*

Bushmaster auto rifle

NHM90 & NHM91*

Bushmaster auto pistol

Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, & 86S*

Bushmaster Carbon 15*

Olympic Arms AR-15, A 1, CAR, PCR, K3B, K30R, K16, K48, K8, & K9 rifles*

Bushmaster XM 15 *

Poly Technologies AKS and AK 47*

Bushmaster ACR rifles*

Remington tactical Rifle Model 7615*

Bushmaster MOE rifles*

Rock River Arms LAR-47*

Calico Liberty III and III Tactical Pistols*

Rock River Arms LAR 15*

Calico Liberty 50, 50 Tactical 100, 100 Tactical, I, 1 Tactical, II and II Tactical Rifles*

Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model

Calico Models M-900, M-950, and 100-P

SA 85 or SA 93*

Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88

SAR-8, SAR-4800, SR9*

Chiappa Firearms Mfour-22*

Scarab Skorpion

Centurion 39 AK*

SIG 57 AMT and 500 series

Colefire Magnum*

SIG Sauer P516 and P556 pistols*

Colt AR-15

Sig Sauer 551-A1, 556, 516, 716, and M 400 Rifles*

Colt Match target Rifles*

SLG 95*

Colt Sporter

SLR 95 or 96*

Daewoo AR 100 and AR 110C*

Smith and Wesson M&P15 rifles*

Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2

Spectre Auto Carbine

Doublestar AR rifles*

Spectre auto pistol

Doublestar Corporation AR*

Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G3

DPMS AR-15*

Sterling MK-6 and MK-7

DPMS Tactical rifles*

Steyr AUG

Draco AK-47*

Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shot gun

DSA SA58 PKP FAL*

Thompson TA 5 pistols*

Encom MK-IV, MP-9, and MP-45

TNW M230 and M2HB*

Fabrique Nationale/F/N 308 Match and L1A1 Sporter*

USAS-12

Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC

UZI carbine

FAMAS MAS 223

UZI mini-carbine

Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT

UZI pistol

Federal XC-900 &XC-450

Valmet M62S, M71S & M78S*

Franchi SPAS-12 & LAW 12

Vector Arms AK-47 or UZI*

Galil AR & ARM

Velocity Arms VMA pistols*

Galil and Galil Sporter*

VEPR*

German Sport 522PK*

WASR-10*

Goncz High-Tech carbine

Weaver Arms Nighthawk

Gonz High-Tech long pistol

Wilkinson “Linda” pistol

HCR AK-47*

Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine*

Hi-Point Carbine Rifles*

WUM*

HK USC*

Yugo Krebs Krink*

HK-PSG-1*

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Table 1: List of Assault Weapons Named in Statutes

Weapon Name

Algimec Agmi

Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89

AK-47 or -74*

Holmes MP-83

AKM*

Intratec TEC-DC9 & AB 10*

AKS-74U*

Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion

American Spirit AR-15*

I.O. Inc. Hellpup AK-47*

AR-10 or -15*

I.O. Inc. PPS-43C*

ARM*

Iver Johnson enforcer model 3000

Armalite AR-180

IZHMASH Saiga AK*

Armalite M 15*

Kel-Tec PLR-16 Pistol*

Australian Automatic Arms SAP pistol

Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU rifles, and RFB*

Auto-Ordnance Thompson type

MAC-10, MAC-11, and MAC 11 carbine type

Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type

MAADI AK 47*

Barrett M107A1 or REC7*

MAK90*

Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1

Masterpiece Arms MPA pistols*

Beretta AR-70

Mini-Draco AK 47*

Beretta Storm*

MISR*

Bushmaster auto rifle

NHM90 & NHM91*

Bushmaster auto pistol

Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, & 86S*

Bushmaster Carbon 15*

Olympic Arms AR-15, A 1, CAR, PCR, K3B, K30R, K16, K48, K8, & K9 rifles*

Bushmaster XM 15 *

Poly Technologies AKS and AK 47*

Bushmaster ACR rifles*

Remington tactical Rifle Model 7615*

Bushmaster MOE rifles*

Rock River Arms LAR-47*

Calico Liberty III and III Tactical Pistols*

Rock River Arms LAR 15*

Calico Liberty 50, 50 Tactical 100, 100 Tactical, I, 1 Tactical, II and II Tactical Rifles*

Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model

Calico Models M-900, M-950, and 100-P

SA 85 or SA 93*

Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88

SAR-8, SAR-4800, SR9*

Chiappa Firearms Mfour-22*

Scarab Skorpion

Centurion 39 AK*

SIG 57 AMT and 500 series

Colefire Magnum*

SIG Sauer P516 and P556 pistols*

Colt AR-15

Sig Sauer 551-A1, 556, 516, 716, and M 400 Rifles*

Colt Match target Rifles*

SLG 95*

Colt Sporter

SLR 95 or 96*

Daewoo AR 100 and AR 110C*

Smith and Wesson M&P15 rifles*

Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2

Spectre Auto Carbine

Doublestar AR rifles*

Spectre auto pistol

Doublestar Corporation AR*

Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G3

DPMS AR-15*

Sterling MK-6 and MK-7

DPMS Tactical rifles*

Steyr AUG

Draco AK-47*

Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shot gun

DSA SA58 PKP FAL*

Thompson TA 5 pistols*

Encom MK-IV, MP-9, and MP-45

TNW M230 and M2HB*

Fabrique Nationale/F/N 308 Match and L1A1 Sporter*

USAS-12

Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC

UZI carbine

FAMAS MAS 223

UZI mini-carbine

Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT

UZI pistol

Federal XC-900 &XC-450

Valmet M62S, M71S & M78S*

Franchi SPAS-12 & LAW 12

Vector Arms AK-47 or UZI*

Galil AR & ARM

Velocity Arms VMA pistols*

Galil and Galil Sporter*

VEPR*

German Sport 522PK*

WASR-10*

Goncz High-Tech carbine

Weaver Arms Nighthawk

Gonz High-Tech long pistol

Wilkinson “Linda” pistol

HCR AK-47*

Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine*

Hi-Point Carbine Rifles*

WUM*

HK USC*

Yugo Krebs Krink*

HK-PSG-1*

So it's defined to be an assault weapon because of its name and not any particular set of features. That won't scale.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In reading the news reports, the bad guy could have been in the classroom with a baseball bat and a fake gun and done as much damage because the cops refused to enter for an hour.

So much for Texans being tough and all that. What a terrible fiasco for everyone.

absolutely not. Damage from AR15 is horrific, way worse than a normal handgun, a knife or baseball bat. Ask doctors who have treated AR15 victims.

I mean to say that the 18 year old could have killed those all kids with a bat (or a knife or a shotgun or literally anything else), as well as those two women, because he had all the time in the world to do it. I'm not saying don't ban AR-15's because I don't care for guns. I'm saying that he had all the time in the world because the police didn't intervene.

This is ridiculous.

If it were a knife or baseball bat:

- people can easily run away, because they can only be killed at close range. A guy with a knife isn't going to kill someone down the hall.
- 2-3 teachers could have easily overpowered a skinny 18 year old with a knife or bat
- people are far more likely to survive a knife or blunt force trauma wound
- Police would not have waited an hour, one cop with a gun can very easily take out a guy with a bat. Hell, even a taser will take out a guy with a knife.

I'm so sick of the "well they'll just use knives!" argument. No, knives are not as deadly as firearms.

Well there was the unabomber. Personally I can think of a dozen ways to kill large numbers of people, but I’m not a psychopath and I don’t think your average school shooter is that bright. These guys use guns because it’s the easiest way and requires zero thinking skills to plan and carry out.

They use guns because they want to be known and remembered. They are in significant part damaged loners and victims of bullying who are angry and were failed by our society.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Table 1: List of Assault Weapons Named in Statutes

Weapon Name

Algimec Agmi

Heckler & Koch HK-91, HK-93, HK-94 and SP-89

AK-47 or -74*

Holmes MP-83

AKM*

Intratec TEC-DC9 & AB 10*

AKS-74U*

Intratec TEC-9 and Scorpion

American Spirit AR-15*

I.O. Inc. Hellpup AK-47*

AR-10 or -15*

I.O. Inc. PPS-43C*

ARM*

Iver Johnson enforcer model 3000

Armalite AR-180

IZHMASH Saiga AK*

Armalite M 15*

Kel-Tec PLR-16 Pistol*

Australian Automatic Arms SAP pistol

Kel-Tec Sub-2000, SU rifles, and RFB*

Auto-Ordnance Thompson type

MAC-10, MAC-11, and MAC 11 carbine type

Avtomat Kalashnikov AK-47 type

MAADI AK 47*

Barrett M107A1 or REC7*

MAK90*

Barrett Light-Fifty model 82A1

Masterpiece Arms MPA pistols*

Beretta AR-70

Mini-Draco AK 47*

Beretta Storm*

MISR*

Bushmaster auto rifle

NHM90 & NHM91*

Bushmaster auto pistol

Norinco 56, 56S, 84S, & 86S*

Bushmaster Carbon 15*

Olympic Arms AR-15, A 1, CAR, PCR, K3B, K30R, K16, K48, K8, & K9 rifles*

Bushmaster XM 15 *

Poly Technologies AKS and AK 47*

Bushmaster ACR rifles*

Remington tactical Rifle Model 7615*

Bushmaster MOE rifles*

Rock River Arms LAR-47*

Calico Liberty III and III Tactical Pistols*

Rock River Arms LAR 15*

Calico Liberty 50, 50 Tactical 100, 100 Tactical, I, 1 Tactical, II and II Tactical Rifles*

Ruger Mini-14/5F folding stock model

Calico Models M-900, M-950, and 100-P

SA 85 or SA 93*

Chartered Industries of Singapore SR-88

SAR-8, SAR-4800, SR9*

Chiappa Firearms Mfour-22*

Scarab Skorpion

Centurion 39 AK*

SIG 57 AMT and 500 series

Colefire Magnum*

SIG Sauer P516 and P556 pistols*

Colt AR-15

Sig Sauer 551-A1, 556, 516, 716, and M 400 Rifles*

Colt Match target Rifles*

SLG 95*

Colt Sporter

SLR 95 or 96*

Daewoo AR 100 and AR 110C*

Smith and Wesson M&P15 rifles*

Daewoo K-1, K-2, Max-1 and Max-2

Spectre Auto Carbine

Doublestar AR rifles*

Spectre auto pistol

Doublestar Corporation AR*

Springfield Armory BM59, SAR-48 and G3

DPMS AR-15*

Sterling MK-6 and MK-7

DPMS Tactical rifles*

Steyr AUG

Draco AK-47*

Street Sweeper and Striker 12 revolving cylinder shot gun

DSA SA58 PKP FAL*

Thompson TA 5 pistols*

Encom MK-IV, MP-9, and MP-45

TNW M230 and M2HB*

Fabrique Nationale/F/N 308 Match and L1A1 Sporter*

USAS-12

Fabrique Nationale FN/FAL, FN/LAR, or FN/FNC

UZI carbine

FAMAS MAS 223

UZI mini-carbine

Feather AT-9 and Mini-AT

UZI pistol

Federal XC-900 &XC-450

Valmet M62S, M71S & M78S*

Franchi SPAS-12 & LAW 12

Vector Arms AK-47 or UZI*

Galil AR & ARM

Velocity Arms VMA pistols*

Galil and Galil Sporter*

VEPR*

German Sport 522PK*

WASR-10*

Goncz High-Tech carbine

Weaver Arms Nighthawk

Gonz High-Tech long pistol

Wilkinson “Linda” pistol

HCR AK-47*

Wilkinson Arms Linda Carbine*

Hi-Point Carbine Rifles*

WUM*

HK USC*

Yugo Krebs Krink*

HK-PSG-1*

So it's defined to be an assault weapon because of its name and not any particular set of features. That won't scale.

Did you bother to read any of it?

“ The definition of an assault weapon includes any semiautomatic centerfire rifle that can accept a detachable magazine (one that can be removed without disassembling the firearm action) and has at least one of the following features:

1. a folding or telescoping stock;

2. a grip, such as a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, or other stock, the use of which would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing;

3. a forward pistol grip;

4. a flash suppressor; or

5. a grenade launcher or flare launcher. ”

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

“Assault rifle.” An AR15 lacks fully automatic capability. It cannot, by any definition, be an “assault weapon.” It is no different in operation than numerous other rifles, many if not most of them predating WWII. It just “looks scary.”

Nobody here claimed that AR-15s are fully automatic.

And if you are struggling with the definition of “assault rifle”, here is a good start for you:
https://www.cga.ct.gov/2013/rpt/2013-R-0241.htm

The law defines an “assault weapon” as (1) a selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic, or burst fire at the user's option; (2) any of more than 150 named semiautomatic firearms, including semiautomatic centerfire rifles and semiautomatic pistols (see Appendix 1); (3) a semiautomatic firearm that has certain features; and (4) a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

The definition of an “assault weapon” includes any part or combination of parts designed or intended to convert a firearm into an assault weapon or any combination of parts from which one may be rapidly assembled if possessed or controlled by the same person. It does not include (1) firearms rendered permanently inoperable or (2) unassembled parts or combination of parts possessed by a licensed gun dealer or gunsmith he or she employs for repairing or servicing a lawfully possessed weapon.

An AR-15 is not select fire.

It’s listed under #2.

More detailed definition if you looked at the link:
Assault Weapon Defined

The law, as amended by PA 13-3, defines an “assault weapon” as:

1. any selective-fire firearm capable of fully automatic, semiautomatic, or burst fire at the user's option;

2. any of a list of named semiautomatic firearms, pistols, or centerfire rifles or copies or duplicates with their capability in production on or before April 4, 2013 (see Appendix 1);

3. any IZHMASH Saiga 12 shotguns or copies or duplicates with their capability in production on or before April 4, 2013;

4. a semiautomatic pistol or semiautomatic centerfire rifle that has a fixed magazine that can hold more than 10 rounds;

5. a semiautomatic centerfire rifle shorter than 30 inches;

6. a semiautomatic shotgun that can accept a detachable magazine;

7. a semiautomatic shotgun that has both (a) a folding or telescoping stock and (b) a grip, including a pistol grip, thumbhole stock, or other stock that, when used, would allow a person to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand and trigger finger being directly below any part of the action of the weapon when firing; and

8. a shotgun with a revolving cylinder.

The definition of an assault weapon includes any semiautomatic centerfire rifle that can accept a detachable magazine (one that can be removed without disassembling the firearm action) and has at least one of the following features:

1. a folding or telescoping stock;

2. a grip, such as a pistol grip, a thumbhole stock, or other stock, the use of which would allow an individual to grip the weapon, resulting in any finger on the trigger hand in addition to the trigger finger being directly below any portion of the action of the weapon when firing;

3. a forward pistol grip;

4. a flash suppressor; or

5. a grenade launcher or flare launcher.

The definition of an assault weapon also includes any semiautomatic pistol that has the ability to accept a detachable magazine and has at least one of the following features:

1. the ability to accept a detachable ammunition magazine that attaches at some location outside of the pistol grip;

2. a threaded barrel capable of accepting a flash suppressor, forward pistol grip, or silencer;

3. a shroud attached to, or that partially or completely encircles the barrel and permits the shooter to fire the firearm without being burned, except a slide that encloses the barrel; or

4. a second hand grip.

A legislator can call a chicken a goat, but that will not make the chicken give milk. An “assault rifle” (from the German “sturmgewehr,” which originated the concept) is a rifle, typically shorter and lighter than a main battle rifle, and fed from a detachable magazine, that fires an intermediate cartridge and is capable of fully automatic fire. The AK47 in its military form is the quintessential example. An AR15 differs only cosmetically from a vast number of firearms that normally would be referred to as hunting rifles.

[Anonymous]

Some of these posters are proving they are so into weapons of destruction that they really do have a screw loose.

Folks, kids are being torn apart by these assault style weapons. None of them need to be in the hands of mental cases, and they can get them easily.

Every single guy I know with an AR-15 could not hit the broad side of a barn with a 22, and also has a screw loose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As long as the law allows it, it's not for me to judge. No, I don't own one, I don't ever will.

This is a lot of what’s wrong with this country. There’s almost no independent sense of morality anymore. If Congress and the courts haven’t told you what to think, then you don’t know how to use your own brain. It’s like people like you are intellectually moribund.

[Anonymous]

The AR-15 is a phallic substitute for beta makes with no power or self esteem.