NRA convention in TX

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trying to make schools the problem .

Guns are the problem.

If you want to protect kids NOW, you secure where they gather.

but what are you protecting them from- wouldnt you remove what is making them at risk?

That takes a lot more time. I would start by securing where they gather as that’s a lot faster. I don’t understand why people who lock their own doors at home think it’s not necessary and ‘too scary’ at a place they send their children.

It is not the answer. There is no way to secure a building against a crazy gun nut. Look at what happened at the Afghanistan airport. 13 soldiers got killed trying to hold a secure position. Much easier to disarm gun owners.

Weren't they blown up?

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Anonymous wrote:Guns are banned at the NRA convention in Texas when Trump speaks
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/25/1101181842/nra-trump-speech-guns-banned-houston?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tells you everything you need to know.

Guns for them, but we can ban them for everyone else when it's convenient. A class of elementary school kids and their teachers getting killed is no big deal.

The worst part is Facebook and Instagram are blowing up saying if only those teachers had guns this wouldn't have happened.
When will people understand that more guns don't make the gun problem better?.
If guns helped keep people safe, wouldn't the NRA want everyone there carrying them?! And there were police officers at that school who engaged with the shooter and he still got in.

I went to search for a few stories I know of, one in OK, one in IN where an armed principal and armed resource officer stopped school shootings. They have been scrubbed from the media.

Me again: found one from Kansas

The fact that you think showing us more possible mass shootings and white men with gums means there needs to be less gun Control is not the own that you think it is. 😳

The ‘it’s not what you think it is’ leftist If these ‘white men with gums’ weren’t there, the situation would have been much much worse. All chased/killed the shooter and lives were spared as a result.

Would have been even better if the bad guys’ guns were restricted and the bad guys hadn’t been able to buy them.

The problem is bad guys will get guns anyway. Do you think the cartels are going to hand theirs over? Nope. They will create a black market selling illegal guns.

People will still find Opiods. Why regulate them?
People will still speed. Why have limits?
People will still steal, why make it illegal?
People will still abuse children. Why have CPS and laws?
People will still watch child porn. Why try to stop it?

Nothing is perfect. No solution wipes out 100% of a problem BUT doing nothing is resulting in no positive results. We have tried the good guys with guns, doesn't work. We lock schools, doesn't work. We are working for living wage, affordable health care and sustainable work schedules but Repbulicans say no. All of these would help with the mental helath crisis impacting all of America. NOT just men. I have mental health concerns and I am not shooting up a school. But i see the importance of mental health for everyone and thing we should do what we can to expand it (abbott has refused).
Then we have accessibility issues. Guns need to be locked period. There should be mandatory background checks for ALL gun sales (up to 90% of americans agree with this) and there is a bill sitting there waiting for the Senate Republicans to vote this into law.
There needs to be a ban on all assault rifles for Civilian use. If you want to shoot one, ranges can apply for permits/licenses (like liquor licenses) and you can go there and blow crap up all day long. have fun!
I am for guns and think it is an important part of our history, but enough is enough and something needs to be done.

Yup

John Gilliam, author of Sheep No More advises schools all the time on how to keep kids safe. He said most of the time, they do not implement those measures instead doing ‘feel-good’ measures such as gardens, etc. So they hire him and ignore his practical advice. Deterrents work.

When you have countries who have murdered people due to race and religion, those individuals are not keen on Government telling them ‘it’ll be fine this time’. History shows otherwise.

Anyone whose book has an intro written by Sean Hannity is not to be taken seriously.

He was a Navy Seal. I think he knows about self-defense.

Navy seals mission is not self defense. I agree he loses all credibility because of Hannity.

Wow. Glad you are so much more highly trained

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Anonymous wrote:Guns are banned at the NRA convention in Texas when Trump speaks
https://www.npr.org/2022/05/25/1101181842/nra-trump-speech-guns-banned-houston?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Tells you everything you need to know.

Guns for them, but we can ban them for everyone else when it's convenient. A class of elementary school kids and their teachers getting killed is no big deal.

The worst part is Facebook and Instagram are blowing up saying if only those teachers had guns this wouldn't have happened.
When will people understand that more guns don't make the gun problem better?.
If guns helped keep people safe, wouldn't the NRA want everyone there carrying them?! And there were police officers at that school who engaged with the shooter and he still got in.

I went to search for a few stories I know of, one in OK, one in IN where an armed principal and armed resource officer stopped school shootings. They have been scrubbed from the media.

Me again: found one from Kansas

The fact that you think showing us more possible mass shootings and white men with gums means there needs to be less gun Control is not the own that you think it is. 😳

The ‘it’s not what you think it is’ leftist If these ‘white men with gums’ weren’t there, the situation would have been much much worse. All chased/killed the shooter and lives were spared as a result.

Would have been even better if the bad guys’ guns were restricted and the bad guys hadn’t been able to buy them.

The problem is bad guys will get guns anyway. Do you think the cartels are going to hand theirs over? Nope. They will create a black market selling illegal guns.

People will still find Opiods. Why regulate them?
People will still speed. Why have limits?
People will still steal, why make it illegal?
People will still abuse children. Why have CPS and laws?
People will still watch child porn. Why try to stop it?

Nothing is perfect. No solution wipes out 100% of a problem BUT doing nothing is resulting in no positive results. We have tried the good guys with guns, doesn't work. We lock schools, doesn't work. We are working for living wage, affordable health care and sustainable work schedules but Repbulicans say no. All of these would help with the mental helath crisis impacting all of America. NOT just men. I have mental health concerns and I am not shooting up a school. But i see the importance of mental health for everyone and thing we should do what we can to expand it (abbott has refused).
Then we have accessibility issues. Guns need to be locked period. There should be mandatory background checks for ALL gun sales (up to 90% of americans agree with this) and there is a bill sitting there waiting for the Senate Republicans to vote this into law.
There needs to be a ban on all assault rifles for Civilian use. If you want to shoot one, ranges can apply for permits/licenses (like liquor licenses) and you can go there and blow crap up all day long. have fun!
I am for guns and think it is an important part of our history, but enough is enough and something needs to be done.

Yup

John Gilliam, author of Sheep No More advises schools all the time on how to keep kids safe. He said most of the time, they do not implement those measures instead doing ‘feel-good’ measures such as gardens, etc. So they hire him and ignore his practical advice. Deterrents work.

When you have countries who have murdered people due to race and religion, those individuals are not keen on Government telling them ‘it’ll be fine this time’. History shows otherwise.

Anyone whose book has an intro written by Sean Hannity is not to be taken seriously.

He was a Navy Seal. I think he knows about self-defense.

Navy seals mission is not self defense. I agree he loses all credibility because of Hannity.

Eric Greitens was also a Navy Seal. Thanks but I'm more worried about idiot Americans with guns than I am foreign threats at this point, especially considering the idiot Americans with guns gave us the biggest threat to national security - Donald Trump as a president.

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This made me remember this article about how gun deaths fall in America during NRA conventions because 80,000 gun owners are occupied in seminars.

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/02/28/health/gun-injury-nra-convention-study/index.html

During National Rifle Association annual conventions, when about 80,000 gun owners spend a few days focused on seminars, events and meetings, America seems to be safer, new research suggests.

More specifically, the rate of firearm-related injuries when NRA members gather en masse falls by 20% nationwide, according to a study published Wednesday in the New England Journal of Medicine.
When a state hosted a convention, and presumably a higher percentage of local gun enthusiasts attended, gun-related injuries in that state fell 50%, said Dr. Anupam Jena, the study's senior author and an associate professor of health care policy at Harvard Medical School.
The Harvard-led researchers looked at the number of hospitalizations and emergency room visits tied to firearm injuries during convention dates and the three weeks before and after conventions. To reach their conclusions, they combed through nearly 76 million medical insurance claims filed by privately insured patients between 2007 and 2015.
Will a signal from the top mean more gun violence research?
Will a signal from the top mean more gun violence research?
Injury reductions were most significant among men from the South and the West, where gun ownership -- and likely NRA membership -- is greater.
"Fewer people using guns means fewer gun injuries, which in some ways is not surprising," said Jena, who is also a practicing physician at Massachusetts General Hospital in Boston. "But the drop in gun injuries during these large meetings attended by thousands of well-trained gun owners seems to refute the idea that gun injuries stem solely from lack of experience and training in gun use."

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop trying to make schools the problem .

Guns are the problem.

If you want to protect kids NOW, you secure where they gather.

but what are you protecting them from- wouldnt you remove what is making them at risk?

And let’s be realistic. Governments all over the world have harmed their own citizens. It’s not far-fetched to be concerned about it happening again.

You ok with classrooms of little kids being shot down just in case the gov't attacks you are are ready with your AR?

Mao and Stalin killed many more. So did Hitler, so yeah, I'm concerned. Especially since Democrats seem to be giving things away to China. Look at Ukraine - the citizenry seems to be doing a good job holding back the Russians, who would own Ukraine now if the citizenry wasn't armed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop trying to make schools the problem .

Guns are the problem.

If you want to protect kids NOW, you secure where they gather.

but what are you protecting them from- wouldnt you remove what is making them at risk?

And let’s be realistic. Governments all over the world have harmed their own citizens. It’s not far-fetched to be concerned about it happening again.

OFGS. Citizens cannot fight against a government with stockpiles as deep as the US.

Look, you all say it's useless to have laws because criminals will ignore them.

Well, it's useless to say citizens should all be armed because the government's arsenal is 100000x as powerful as any "citizens' militia" could be.

Then there is no reason to take away guns from honest, law-abiding citizens, is there?

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trying to make schools the problem .

Guns are the problem.

If you want to protect kids NOW, you secure where they gather.

but what are you protecting them from- wouldnt you remove what is making them at risk?

And let’s be realistic. Governments all over the world have harmed their own citizens. It’s not far-fetched to be concerned about it happening again.

Which is why you support a limited police force, as well as limited funding, I assume? And a limited military?

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.king5.com/article/news/verify/national-verify/guns-not-banned-at-nra-convention-but-are-during-trumps-speech/536-ac6d498e-fe9c-4dcb-8efa-3e3c6b71aa38

Ironically, when Trump speaks, people won't be allowed to carry guns.

No, guns aren’t banned at the NRA’s annual convention, but attendees can’t carry during Trump’s speech
The NRA did not ban guns from their annual meeting, but the Secret Service says guns can’t be carried where and when former President Donald Trump will be speaking.

I am sure that the Republicans will remind them that more guns = more safety so they will change their mind.
Those are all good guys with guns after all.

i LOVE how this isn't seen as taking away 2A rights but not being able to carry one in a mall is? WFT?

seriously.. all NRA members are trained, god-fearing, responsible members of society, right? Surely crazy people don't go around carrying assault rifles, right? What is Trump afraid of?

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trying to make schools the problem .

Guns are the problem.

If you want to protect kids NOW, you secure where they gather.

but what are you protecting them from- wouldnt you remove what is making them at risk?

And let’s be realistic. Governments all over the world have harmed their own citizens. It’s not far-fetched to be concerned about it happening again.

You ok with classrooms of little kids being shot down just in case the gov't attacks you are are ready with your AR?

Mao and Stalin killed many more. So did Hitler, so yeah, I'm concerned. Especially since Democrats seem to be giving things away to China. Look at Ukraine - the citizenry seems to be doing a good job holding back the Russians, who would own Ukraine now if the citizenry wasn't armed.

Do you think that Canada is going to invade us? Do you think that the world's third-largest, best-funded and best-trained military needs help from Cletus and Bubba to stave anybody off?

What color is the sky in your world?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop trying to make schools the problem .

Guns are the problem.

If you want to protect kids NOW, you secure where they gather.

And how do you propose doing that?

1) reportedly shooter entered via an unlocked door
2) he easily defeated school officer who was presumably armed. one study found more casualties when school resource officer present.
3) there was a significant delay in police confronting attacker.
4) swat reportedly had trouble fining key to school

1) The door was actually propped open by a staff member. Hate to say it but that was not terribly safe
2) That was an early rumor - the gunman wasn't engaged with law enforcement.
3) Yes, because the gunman now had the advantage. They still should have gone in.
4) Again, that is stupidity. Break the door down.

IF the door had NOT been propped open, the gunman would not have had such easy access. IF there had been a perimeter fence, he would have been slowed down. Once he got inside, he had the tactical advantage. Small town, small law enforcement team = bad news.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trying to make schools the problem .

Guns are the problem.

If you want to protect kids NOW, you secure where they gather.

but what are you protecting them from- wouldnt you remove what is making them at risk?

And let’s be realistic. Governments all over the world have harmed their own citizens. It’s not far-fetched to be concerned about it happening again.

You ok with classrooms of little kids being shot down just in case the gov't attacks you are are ready with your AR?

Mao and Stalin killed many more. So did Hitler, so yeah, I'm concerned. Especially since Democrats seem to be giving things away to China. Look at Ukraine - the citizenry seems to be doing a good job holding back the Russians, who would own Ukraine now if the citizenry wasn't armed.

Do you think that Canada is going to invade us? Do you think that the world's third-largest, best-funded and best-trained military needs help from Cletus and Bubba to stave anybody off?

What color is the sky in your world?

I think we are in deep sh*t regarding China. And yes, I think Cletus and Bubba could be very useful. Matter of fact, yesterday, ClethRA killed a man i Wed night who came to a gathering in Charlestown WV with an AR-15 and started shooting into the crowd. If CletRA had not been armed, it could have been very bad. He killed no one. She had a hand gun. And was clearly a damn good shot:

https://tulsaworld.com/news/national/woman-draws-pistol-kills-man-who-was-firing-ar-15-style-rifle-into-crowd-police/article_a6cd9af6-e276-5b2e-846a-992bd1a4ecd9.html

There's a reason government wants all the guns. And none of those reasons are as benevolent as you think. The same people who tell you not to fear them have lied to you over and over and over again.

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I am Ukrainian and I keep seeing false things said about the war to support continued American gun fetishism.

Ukrainians DID NOT have their own guns! Private gun ownership is rare in Ukraine. We think Americans are crazy for having so many guns. Ukrainians were given weapons by their own military to fight. Ukrainians did not rise up like it’s 1776.

Nothing about these “what if China/Russia/whatever invaded America” posts make any sense at all. America has a huge military. Random citizens will not be deputized to fight. You want to fight bad guys? Join the military.

Keep us out of it.

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Anonymous wrote:Stop trying to make schools the problem .

Guns are the problem.

If you want to protect kids NOW, you secure where they gather.

but what are you protecting them from- wouldnt you remove what is making them at risk?

And let’s be realistic. Governments all over the world have harmed their own citizens. It’s not far-fetched to be concerned about it happening again.

Which is why you support a limited police force, as well as limited funding, I assume? And a limited military?

I support a limited federal government, as outlined in the Constitution. From there, the power goes to the state level, then to local. Military is determined by global thread. State and local police departments have their own governance.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Stop trying to make schools the problem .

Guns are the problem.

If you want to protect kids NOW, you secure where they gather.

And how do you propose doing that?

1) reportedly shooter entered via an unlocked door
2) he easily defeated school officer who was presumably armed. one study found more casualties when school resource officer present.
3) there was a significant delay in police confronting attacker.
4) swat reportedly had trouble fining key to school

1) The door was actually propped open by a staff member. Hate to say it but that was not terribly safe
2) That was an early rumor - the gunman wasn't engaged with law enforcement.
3) Yes, because the gunman now had the advantage. They still should have gone in.
4) Again, that is stupidity. Break the door down.

IF the door had NOT been propped open, the gunman would not have had such easy access. IF there had been a perimeter fence, he would have been slowed down. Once he got inside, he had the tactical advantage. Small town, small law enforcement team = bad news.

There was a perimeter fence. The shooter climbed over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am Ukrainian and I keep seeing false things said about the war to support continued American gun fetishism.

Ukrainians DID NOT have their own guns! Private gun ownership is rare in Ukraine. We think Americans are crazy for having so many guns. Ukrainians were given weapons by their own military to fight. Ukrainians did not rise up like it’s 1776.

Nothing about these “what if China/Russia/whatever invaded America” posts make any sense at all. America has a huge military. Random citizens will not be deputized to fight. You want to fight bad guys? Join the military.

Keep us out of it.

But you were given guns, right? Why would that be?