Do you consider state laws/health care access effecting your child when selecting college?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I am an outlier, but not planning on my kid getting pregnant at college. But I'm in full support of banning abortion after 15 weeks- I have trouble how parents feel otherwise. You KNOW what this fetus becomes. At 15 weeks we know enough that the fetus is capable of feeling, so really don't understand how people can be pro-abortion at this point. Totally understand f-ups happen and the women shouldn't bear the brunt of it for life if they aren't ready but 15 weeks is plenty of time to stop things before it turns into a human that feels pain.

What specifically are you doing to help prevent an unplanned pregnancy when your adult child is in college? Abstinence only answers not accepted.

Birth control pills. But if they did get pregnant, they would't be waiting months to have an abortion.

They will probably be outlawed next because they “kill.”

Can you stop with the outlandish reach?

Oh, good - another person who hasn’t been paying attention

Oh good - another person who is using ridiculous scare tactics that have no basis.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. My kids decided never to go to Texas or Florida much less attend college there. I support those decisions although there aren’t any good colleges I either state anyway.

BS. There are great colleges in Texas. One being Rice which is likely better than what you attended,
if you attended college at all, and UT which has one of the best engineering programs in the country. You snarky add on is a typical juvenile response.

DP. That sounds like a clever response, except it doesn't take a lot of effort to identify the only two good schools in a state twice the size and with half the population of Germany.

We are hysterically laughing over her at this! I’m embarrassed for you.
Here’s another statistic. Texas had the 10th largest economy on the world. Yeah, it sucks so bad!

Then why can’t Texas keep the lights on?

Okay, I guess you “proved” it’s not the 10th largest economy in the world. Make sure to inform the economy.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. My kids decided never to go to Texas or Florida much less attend college there. I support those decisions although there aren’t any good colleges I either state anyway.

BS. There are great colleges in Texas. One being Rice which is likely better than what you attended,
if you attended college at all, and UT which has one of the best engineering programs in the country. You snarky add on is a typical juvenile response.

DP. That sounds like a clever response, except it doesn't take a lot of effort to identify the only two good schools in a state twice the size and with half the population of Germany.

We are hysterically laughing over her at this! I’m embarrassed for you.
Here’s another statistic. Texas had the 10th largest economy on the world. Yeah, it sucks so bad!

Then why can’t Texas keep the lights on?

Yeah, you think it’s because Texas didn’t pay it’s electric bill, okay you. Get your crayons for your first lesson.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. I don't want my kid to me a mom as an undergraduate. Schools like Washington University are totally out now that Missouri is criminalizing abortions for people who become pregnant in Missouri regardless of where the procedure is preformed.

Maybe tell her not to sleep around?

+1. It’s like they are expecting their daughters to get pregnant and that it’s routine.

Oh, right, your perfect children won’t have sex until marriage, right?

I was a good responsible girl and top student. Didn’t stop me from having sex with my HS boyfriend at 16. Doesn’t make me a slut - makes me a completely normal human. I took precautions - we used 2 forms of protection. So I was a sexually responsible human teen.

If you think your college students aren’t having sex, I have a bridge to sell you

If you think all college girls get pregnant, I have a bigger bridge to sell you. If you think birth control and condoms are a made up invention, I’ve got a second bridge to sell you.

If you think your daughter can't fall victim to rape, I have a bridge to sell you.

If you think abortions are in place for only or majority for that reason, I’ve got a better bridge to sell you.

No one said it was, but it does happen.

Also, why a woman chooses to end a pregnancy is none of your business

Did I ask you why you’ve had abortions?

Rape is just one reason why a woman might decide to terminate.

My point was just that it doesn’t matter why. If a woman finds herself with an unexpected/unwanted/non-viable pregnancy, she should have options and not be a forced incubator. Also, there are absolutely life threatening conditions and striking down Roe will keep doctors from performing life saving procedures due to these insanely stupid anti abortion laws

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I am an outlier, but not planning on my kid getting pregnant at college. But I'm in full support of banning abortion after 15 weeks- I have trouble how parents feel otherwise. You KNOW what this fetus becomes. At 15 weeks we know enough that the fetus is capable of feeling, so really don't understand how people can be pro-abortion at this point. Totally understand f-ups happen and the women shouldn't bear the brunt of it for life if they aren't ready but 15 weeks is plenty of time to stop things before it turns into a human that feels pain.

What specifically are you doing to help prevent an unplanned pregnancy when your adult child is in college? Abstinence only answers not accepted.

Birth control pills. But if they did get pregnant, they would't be waiting months to have an abortion.

They will probably be outlawed next because they “kill.”

Can you stop with the outlandish reach?

Oh, good - another person who hasn’t been paying attention

Oh good - another person who is using ridiculous scare tactics that have no basis.

I’m not the PP arguing with you. But, the elimination of birth control is not a scare tactic; it is a logical extension from the idea that life begins at conception. Birth control pills do not prevent fertilization. Eggs can be fertilized while using birth control (and things like the copper IUD, which is non-hormonal), but they create environments where the egg will not implant in the wall of the uterus. Because of these facts, and because of logic, the most strict pro-lifers believe birth control pills “kill” a viable, fertilized egg.

I wouldn’t be so sure that your daughter will have access to birth control in the states where abortion is banned. It makes sense for these states to also not believe in birth control. That’s why people are worried about it.

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Yeah, sure, birth control is not in danger /s

https://www.freep.com/story/opinion/columnists/nancy-kaffer/2022/02/21/michigan-gop-birth-control-griswold-abortion-dobbs/6879282001/

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I am an outlier, but not planning on my kid getting pregnant at college. But I'm in full support of banning abortion after 15 weeks- I have trouble how parents feel otherwise. You KNOW what this fetus becomes. At 15 weeks we know enough that the fetus is capable of feeling, so really don't understand how people can be pro-abortion at this point. Totally understand f-ups happen and the women shouldn't bear the brunt of it for life if they aren't ready but 15 weeks is plenty of time to stop things before it turns into a human that feels pain.

What does “pro-abortion” mean? I have never met anyone who is pro-abortion before.

DP. Abortion is health care. I'm pro-health care, so I'm pro-abortion.

I am not for abortion. I am for choice.

Being “for” abortion makes no sense. Being for the choice of abortion does make sense.

Sometimes abortion is a choice; sometimes it isn’t. There are circumstances (e.g., ectopic pregnancy) where women will die without an abortion. Again, because abortion is health care and should be deployed as such rather than subject to some other standard/test that we don’t apply to any other health procedure.

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I think the only way to fix this is to force boys to get snipped

It is reversible for when BOTH partners are on board with procreating

Problem solved

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It is so funny to me that my most comprehensive sex ed was at a Catholic HS

Some of it was actually in religion class, not health

Now, part of it was describing in horrifying detail the methods of abortion (I was 13!), but I still learned a lot during my HS sex ed classes

(I was not there for the religion, but for the academics)

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I am an outlier, but not planning on my kid getting pregnant at college. But I'm in full support of banning abortion after 15 weeks- I have trouble how parents feel otherwise. You KNOW what this fetus becomes. At 15 weeks we know enough that the fetus is capable of feeling, so really don't understand how people can be pro-abortion at this point. Totally understand f-ups happen and the women shouldn't bear the brunt of it for life if they aren't ready but 15 weeks is plenty of time to stop things before it turns into a human that feels pain.

Oh yes, you aren’t planning on it, unlike all those other parents who WERE planning on their daughters getting pregnant in college. I guess my best friend from high school was planning on getting attacked and raped at 4pm by a random stranger with a knife in an alley next to her dorm, but YOUR daughter is making no such plans so she should be fine.

Again, I don't quite get this. If she were raped, she would take the morning after pill. If her birth control pills failed she would get an early abortion. If early abortion is banned outright, I will take her elsewhere. There are a lot of options between regulating abortion and having 3rd trimester abortions legal. I mean seriously, how can any parent of a child support it? I honestly and sincerely dont see it. There will always be plenty of options for early abortions in the US but honestly its just easiest to put the girls on the pill or IUD, they are headed there anyway realistically. Who among us is still practicing natural family planning these days?

So you don't think that traveling out of state for an abortion won't be criminalized (it already has).

You don't think BC methods that prevent implantation could be banned (already there)?

So you don't think abortifacients could be banned?

Who is talking about making 3rd trimester abortions legal, unless under extreme circumstances threatening the life of the mother?

Just curious, but where has Plan B been banned (you wrote "already there")? Nowhere to my knowledge, but maybe I am missing something. And I don't consider proposed laws the same as approved laws. Most proposed laws never get passed. And lots of anti-abortion supporters have no problem with the pill, by the way.

I'm not the PP you're responding to, but 13 states have "trigger laws" that will bad abortion once Roe is officially overturned. They are already laws on the books, but by their own language do not go into effect until a state official certifies Roe is overturned. Additionally, several states have laws on the books that pre-date Roe; these are unenforceable while Roe stands but would become enforceable after it falls. These laws are written broadly enough to cover things that prevent (or that Republicans believe prevent) implantation, including the Pill, Plan B, and IUDs.

Maybe and maybe not. There are people asserting this in media, but other legal scholars think this is a hasty and likely unjustified conclusion so it's far from a fact. But I can't rule out the possibility, of course. Just pointing out there is no impending ban that clearly covers this at this time. And I've read a number of Republicans stating that although they support banning abortion, they have zero intention of going after birth control (maybe because their own daughters use it).

The bolded statement is simply false. If you don't want to engage with the subject that's fine, but then please don't shower us with your opinions.

Have you actually read the trigger laws, which again are enacted laws on the books at this time? I have. They say things like "the use or prescription of an instrument, medicine, drug, or other substance or device with the intent to terminate a clinically diagnosable pregnancy" and define pregnancy or unborn child to include "the human conceptus, zygote, morula, blastocyst, embryo, and fetus" or beginning at "that point in time when a male human sperm penetrates the zona pellucida of a female human ovum." And whatever fine distinctions legal scholars or even Republican politicians think might be found in there, are not really relevant to whether the State Atty General decides to charge or the conservative judge decides to order.

This.

1) trigger laws are on the books in 26 states to take effect the moment that Roe is struck
2) many of them have "from the moment of fertilization" as the action point, meaning use of an IUD or morning after pill would be considered MURDER.

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. I don't want my kid to me a mom as an undergraduate. Schools like Washington University are totally out now that Missouri is criminalizing abortions for people who become pregnant in Missouri regardless of where the procedure is preformed.

Maybe tell her not to sleep around?

+1. It’s like they are expecting their daughters to get pregnant and that it’s routine.

How many women in college have boyfriends? Do you think they just hold hands?

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I am an outlier, but not planning on my kid getting pregnant at college. But I'm in full support of banning abortion after 15 weeks- I have trouble how parents feel otherwise. You KNOW what this fetus becomes. At 15 weeks we know enough that the fetus is capable of feeling, so really don't understand how people can be pro-abortion at this point. Totally understand f-ups happen and the women shouldn't bear the brunt of it for life if they aren't ready but 15 weeks is plenty of time to stop things before it turns into a human that feels pain.

What specifically are you doing to help prevent an unplanned pregnancy when your adult child is in college? Abstinence only answers not accepted.

Birth control pills. But if they did get pregnant, they would't be waiting months to have an abortion.

They will probably be outlawed next because they “kill.”

Can you stop with the outlandish reach?

Griswold rests on the same logic as Roe and Casey. The same people who were saying that worrying about Roe being overturned were reaching are now saying that worrying about the logical consequences is a reach

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Anonymous wrote:Yes. I don't want my kid to me a mom as an undergraduate. Schools like Washington University are totally out now that Missouri is criminalizing abortions for people who become pregnant in Missouri regardless of where the procedure is preformed.

Maybe tell her not to sleep around?

+1. It’s like they are expecting their daughters to get pregnant and that it’s routine.

How many women in college have boyfriends? Do you think they just hold hands?

How many women in college haven’t heard of condoms? Do you think they don’t have access to stores?

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Anonymous wrote:I think the only way to fix this is to force boys to get snipped

It is reversible for when BOTH partners are on board with procreating

Problem solved

I know this is a popular response, but it undermines the case that reproductive health decisions should be made by individuals and their doctors, not government. Forcible sterilization isn’t funny, even when it’s happening to men.

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Anonymous wrote:I guess I am an outlier, but not planning on my kid getting pregnant at college. But I'm in full support of banning abortion after 15 weeks- I have trouble how parents feel otherwise. You KNOW what this fetus becomes. At 15 weeks we know enough that the fetus is capable of feeling, so really don't understand how people can be pro-abortion at this point. Totally understand f-ups happen and the women shouldn't bear the brunt of it for life if they aren't ready but 15 weeks is plenty of time to stop things before it turns into a human that feels pain.

What specifically are you doing to help prevent an unplanned pregnancy when your adult child is in college? Abstinence only answers not accepted.

Birth control pills. But if they did get pregnant, they would't be waiting months to have an abortion.

They will probably be outlawed next because they “kill.”

Can you stop with the outlandish reach?

Griswold rests on the same logic as Roe and Casey. The same people who were saying that worrying about Roe being overturned were reaching are now saying that worrying about the logical consequences is a reach

This won’t be the first time you’ve been called a drama queen, right?