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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

It is a very small issue, like very small. It only seems to be an issue here because of one or two aggrieved posters obsessing over it. But in reality, it is nothing compared to the trapped issues under BY. No one cares if the 2 or 3% of grade misaligned players play up, down or whatever.

The leadership doesn’t care either because it was much worse under BY, plus it wasn’t a real issue prior to BY. And they have much bigger fish to fry. This is a non-issue to them.

By the actual written rule they can do either. And both situations will happen. That’s it. Seriously, who cares? If you are one of the 2% of players who may be eligible to play with a grade lower than your current grade, find a club that will accommodate your needs. Whatever those are.

I agree that from the actual written rules both situations can potentially occur for younger than the eligibility window but grade up players.

The issue, if you want to call it that is GY (grade year) slippery slope. If leagues implemented a rule or a recommendation that young players play with their grade what you've done is grouped players by grade but without holdbacks/redshirts. Which is something club parents really like because they're footing the bill. Other people want to implement GY with regrades/holdbacks/redshirts in club soccer. Generally the way they plan to do it is by starting with GY Showcases. Which would end uo being something parents pay for but players 1-2 years older attend and play in.

If leagues implemented a rule or even a recommendation that young players play with their grade you would have teams grouped by grade but without holdbacks. Once implemented you could never implement GY showcases (with holdbacks) because teams would already be grouped by grade.

This is whats actually being argued about. Do you want GY Showcases where older players can play down 1-2 years in front of the recuiters youre paying for your kid to play in front of?

3 ifs too many. Took them 8 years to fix a real problem, going back to SY to reduce trapped players with a simple fix, changing dates. Anything further to reduce trapped players would be steps towards unwanted GY and enforceable grade documentation would also be a bridge to far with all of the different school districts in the country.

A written league reccomendation that younger than the eligibility window players play "up" with thier correct grade team requires no enforcement but would address the issue. It would also safeguard against the GY slippery slope.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

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Anonymous wrote:The best situation if you had a younger than the eligibility window but grade up player would be to roster them "up" on the correct grade level team for development.

Ideally your club would be aware that your kid could also play down. This way they'd have 2x the number of teams they could play with for tournamants. Also for things like Talent IDs they'd be pretty much guaranteed an invite at the lover level bevause they're playing and developing at a higher level than everyone else their age.

This is very interesting for young Aug/Sept playera.

Playing on the team that's your kids grade will need to happen for college recruiting.

It's obvious that playing up but guesting down would create tournament monsters. I never thought about all the advantages playing up could bring for things like Talent IDs. I guess this depends on if US Soccer keeps things BY. I assume they would. But even then you'd need to be playing up with your grade to be considered because you'd be competing with the younger half of the grqde above SY team.

I was told both ODP and USYNT are staying BY. So no real benefit over this year for either of those

Younger Aug/Sept players need to be able to play at the level of the Jan to July players on the SY above them.

The ones that get screwed are the Oct, Nov, Dec birthdays.

Which is how it is now. My kid was one of 4 7th graders at the October USYNT ID camp.

I think the "issue" if you want to call it that is with SY the oldest players would be Aug 1st but with USYNT if they stayed BY the oldest player would be Jan 1st. Basically the younger kids on a SY team would be the oldest on a BY USYNT team.

Im probabaly just saying things people already understand. But this would definitely be a reason for young Aug/Sept birthdays to play up on a team thats their grade in school. At least this way you'd be in the running for a Talent ID invite. If you played on grade down team its not that you wouldn't be considered I just dont think you'd be the first pick.

Much, much higher chance of getting noticed playing on age regardless of grade. Grade is irrelevant of course.

Neither colleges nor USYNTs care about your school grade
Only your age and graduation year

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This has been an ongoing theme with the play age guy. Its painfully obvious that he's a littles know it all + hasn't experienced how things change when college recruiting is involved.

There is no one play age guy. There are multiple people trying to inform you where you are wrong. Like pointing out the college recruiting process doesn't involve tracking teams looking for the diamond in the rough, pointing out that there are no rules about grades because leagues use birthdates to delineate age groups, how to understand RAE, pointing out that you are the only person wanting grade year instead of SY and showing you that playing up an age group is mainly dependent on skill. You don't like when people point out you are almost always incorrect and have resorted to attempted putdowns an offensive terms for anonymous people you don't know.

We all know that its only you.

Your primary tell is that you use the RAE super excuse whenever possible.

So to clarify, you think only one person is writing in DCUM pushing back on your plan to force some kids up an age group from their defined birthdate age group?

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

It is a very small issue, like very small. It only seems to be an issue here because of one or two aggrieved posters obsessing over it. But in reality, it is nothing compared to the trapped issues under BY. No one cares if the 2 or 3% of grade misaligned players play up, down or whatever.

The leadership doesn’t care either because it was much worse under BY, plus it wasn’t a real issue prior to BY. And they have much bigger fish to fry. This is a non-issue to them.

By the actual written rule they can do either. And both situations will happen. That’s it. Seriously, who cares? If you are one of the 2% of players who may be eligible to play with a grade lower than your current grade, find a club that will accommodate your needs. Whatever those are.

I agree that from the actual written rules both situations can potentially occur for younger than the eligibility window but grade up players.

The issue, if you want to call it that is GY (grade year) slippery slope. If leagues implemented a rule or a recommendation that young players play with their grade what you've done is grouped players by grade but without holdbacks/redshirts. Which is something club parents really like because they're footing the bill. Other people want to implement GY with regrades/holdbacks/redshirts in club soccer. Generally the way they plan to do it is by starting with GY Showcases. Which would end uo being something parents pay for but players 1-2 years older attend and play in.

If leagues implemented a rule or even a recommendation that young players play with their grade you would have teams grouped by grade but without holdbacks. Once implemented you could never implement GY showcases (with holdbacks) because teams would already be grouped by grade.

This is whats actually being argued about. Do you want GY Showcases where older players can play down 1-2 years in front of the recuiters youre paying for your kid to play in front of?

What rules or recommendations and by who? There are none. I haven’t heard even the slightest rumors of one.

If you think there should be one, email the Orgs. Or write a good old fashioned letter. What good does arguing about something that doesn’t exist, here, on this thread do?

We might was well argue about the existence of aliens while we’re at it.

What are you going to do when top clubs group their top teams by grade and dont allow younger than the eligibility window players to play down? This is what will happen because its what happened before.

I don’t care. My kid (the only one still in the youth system) won’t be grade misaligned under SY. If a bunch of clubs want to go ahead and do that, more power to them.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

It is a very small issue, like very small. It only seems to be an issue here because of one or two aggrieved posters obsessing over it. But in reality, it is nothing compared to the trapped issues under BY. No one cares if the 2 or 3% of grade misaligned players play up, down or whatever.

The leadership doesn’t care either because it was much worse under BY, plus it wasn’t a real issue prior to BY. And they have much bigger fish to fry. This is a non-issue to them.

By the actual written rule they can do either. And both situations will happen. That’s it. Seriously, who cares? If you are one of the 2% of players who may be eligible to play with a grade lower than your current grade, find a club that will accommodate your needs. Whatever those are.

I agree that from the actual written rules both situations can potentially occur for younger than the eligibility window but grade up players.

The issue, if you want to call it that is GY (grade year) slippery slope. If leagues implemented a rule or a recommendation that young players play with their grade what you've done is grouped players by grade but without holdbacks/redshirts. Which is something club parents really like because they're footing the bill. Other people want to implement GY with regrades/holdbacks/redshirts in club soccer. Generally the way they plan to do it is by starting with GY Showcases. Which would end uo being something parents pay for but players 1-2 years older attend and play in.

If leagues implemented a rule or even a recommendation that young players play with their grade you would have teams grouped by grade but without holdbacks. Once implemented you could never implement GY showcases (with holdbacks) because teams would already be grouped by grade.

This is whats actually being argued about. Do you want GY Showcases where older players can play down 1-2 years in front of the recuiters youre paying for your kid to play in front of?

3 ifs too many. Took them 8 years to fix a real problem, going back to SY to reduce trapped players with a simple fix, changing dates. Anything further to reduce trapped players would be steps towards unwanted GY and enforceable grade documentation would also be a bridge to far with all of the different school districts in the country.

A written league reccomendation that younger than the eligibility window players play "up" with thier correct grade team requires no enforcement but would address the issue. It would also safeguard against the GY slippery slope.

Doesn't make sense. Nobody is allowed to play below their age group.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

He mentioned it earlier that an August girl is in his DDs way. Yup, that's what it has been all about.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

It is a very small issue, like very small. It only seems to be an issue here because of one or two aggrieved posters obsessing over it. But in reality, it is nothing compared to the trapped issues under BY. No one cares if the 2 or 3% of grade misaligned players play up, down or whatever.

The leadership doesn’t care either because it was much worse under BY, plus it wasn’t a real issue prior to BY. And they have much bigger fish to fry. This is a non-issue to them.

By the actual written rule they can do either. And both situations will happen. That’s it. Seriously, who cares? If you are one of the 2% of players who may be eligible to play with a grade lower than your current grade, find a club that will accommodate your needs. Whatever those are.

I agree that from the actual written rules both situations can potentially occur for younger than the eligibility window but grade up players.

The issue, if you want to call it that is GY (grade year) slippery slope. If leagues implemented a rule or a recommendation that young players play with their grade what you've done is grouped players by grade but without holdbacks/redshirts. Which is something club parents really like because they're footing the bill. Other people want to implement GY with regrades/holdbacks/redshirts in club soccer. Generally the way they plan to do it is by starting with GY Showcases. Which would end uo being something parents pay for but players 1-2 years older attend and play in.

If leagues implemented a rule or even a recommendation that young players play with their grade you would have teams grouped by grade but without holdbacks. Once implemented you could never implement GY showcases (with holdbacks) because teams would already be grouped by grade.

This is whats actually being argued about. Do you want GY Showcases where older players can play down 1-2 years in front of the recuiters youre paying for your kid to play in front of?

3 ifs too many. Took them 8 years to fix a real problem, going back to SY to reduce trapped players with a simple fix, changing dates. Anything further to reduce trapped players would be steps towards unwanted GY and enforceable grade documentation would also be a bridge to far with all of the different school districts in the country.

A written league reccomendation that younger than the eligibility window players play "up" with thier correct grade team requires no enforcement but would address the issue. It would also safeguard against the GY slippery slope.

Doesn't make sense. Nobody is allowed to play below their age group.

Grade is spelled G - R - A - D - E

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

Ok so write some emails to the showcases and tell them to put in rules that will disallow time wasters. Done.

Or, even better, just go ahead and find a club that will only field teams of players in the same grade. Again, done! You’ve already said multiple times that all of the top clubs are going to be doing that. So problem solved it would seem. What are you doing here in this thread?

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

It is a very small issue, like very small. It only seems to be an issue here because of one or two aggrieved posters obsessing over it. But in reality, it is nothing compared to the trapped issues under BY. No one cares if the 2 or 3% of grade misaligned players play up, down or whatever.

The leadership doesn’t care either because it was much worse under BY, plus it wasn’t a real issue prior to BY. And they have much bigger fish to fry. This is a non-issue to them.

By the actual written rule they can do either. And both situations will happen. That’s it. Seriously, who cares? If you are one of the 2% of players who may be eligible to play with a grade lower than your current grade, find a club that will accommodate your needs. Whatever those are.

I agree that from the actual written rules both situations can potentially occur for younger than the eligibility window but grade up players.

The issue, if you want to call it that is GY (grade year) slippery slope. If leagues implemented a rule or a recommendation that young players play with their grade what you've done is grouped players by grade but without holdbacks/redshirts. Which is something club parents really like because they're footing the bill. Other people want to implement GY with regrades/holdbacks/redshirts in club soccer. Generally the way they plan to do it is by starting with GY Showcases. Which would end uo being something parents pay for but players 1-2 years older attend and play in.

If leagues implemented a rule or even a recommendation that young players play with their grade you would have teams grouped by grade but without holdbacks. Once implemented you could never implement GY showcases (with holdbacks) because teams would already be grouped by grade.

This is whats actually being argued about. Do you want GY Showcases where older players can play down 1-2 years in front of the recuiters youre paying for your kid to play in front of?

3 ifs too many. Took them 8 years to fix a real problem, going back to SY to reduce trapped players with a simple fix, changing dates. Anything further to reduce trapped players would be steps towards unwanted GY and enforceable grade documentation would also be a bridge to far with all of the different school districts in the country.

A written league reccomendation that younger than the eligibility window players play "up" with thier correct grade team requires no enforcement but would address the issue. It would also safeguard against the GY slippery slope.

Perfect! Go ahead and pitch this to the leagues. But right now, this doesn’t exist. So why argue here about something that doesn’t exist?

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

Ok so write some emails to the showcases and tell them to put in rules that will disallow time wasters. Done.

Or, even better, just go ahead and find a club that will only field teams of players in the same grade. Again, done! You’ve already said multiple times that all of the top clubs are going to be doing that. So problem solved it would seem. What are you doing here in this thread?

I prefer ro educate parents here about playing by grade and why its important for college recruiting.

You should go to the top clubs and explain to them why recruiting doesnt matter.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

It is a very small issue, like very small. It only seems to be an issue here because of one or two aggrieved posters obsessing over it. But in reality, it is nothing compared to the trapped issues under BY. No one cares if the 2 or 3% of grade misaligned players play up, down or whatever.

The leadership doesn’t care either because it was much worse under BY, plus it wasn’t a real issue prior to BY. And they have much bigger fish to fry. This is a non-issue to them.

By the actual written rule they can do either. And both situations will happen. That’s it. Seriously, who cares? If you are one of the 2% of players who may be eligible to play with a grade lower than your current grade, find a club that will accommodate your needs. Whatever those are.

I agree that from the actual written rules both situations can potentially occur for younger than the eligibility window but grade up players.

The issue, if you want to call it that is GY (grade year) slippery slope. If leagues implemented a rule or a recommendation that young players play with their grade what you've done is grouped players by grade but without holdbacks/redshirts. Which is something club parents really like because they're footing the bill. Other people want to implement GY with regrades/holdbacks/redshirts in club soccer. Generally the way they plan to do it is by starting with GY Showcases. Which would end uo being something parents pay for but players 1-2 years older attend and play in.

If leagues implemented a rule or even a recommendation that young players play with their grade you would have teams grouped by grade but without holdbacks. Once implemented you could never implement GY showcases (with holdbacks) because teams would already be grouped by grade.

This is whats actually being argued about. Do you want GY Showcases where older players can play down 1-2 years in front of the recuiters youre paying for your kid to play in front of?

3 ifs too many. Took them 8 years to fix a real problem, going back to SY to reduce trapped players with a simple fix, changing dates. Anything further to reduce trapped players would be steps towards unwanted GY and enforceable grade documentation would also be a bridge to far with all of the different school districts in the country.

A written league reccomendation that younger than the eligibility window players play "up" with thier correct grade team requires no enforcement but would address the issue. It would also safeguard against the GY slippery slope.

Perfect! Go ahead and pitch this to the leagues. But right now, this doesn’t exist. So why argue here about something that doesn’t exist?

Great, we both agree that leagues should provide guidance that younger players roster by grade.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

You’re creating an issue where there is none, especially on the girls side. There’s no rule or recommendation to make players play up an age group so they are with their grade. The term “college recruiter” also doesn’t exist; the college coaching staff does the recruiting.

The term "college recruiter" is used because college coaches, assistant coaches, admins, sometimes even people with the specific title of recruiter all attend different events looking at/for talent/players. Its not always college coaches doing the leg work looking at potential recruits. I dont understand why you got hung up on. the words "college recruiter" because its weird and just another example of how you dont understand how college recruitment works.

Reguarding players playing with their grade. Its odd that you're fighting so hard against something that logically just makes sense if clubs want to position players to play in college. Theres never ever ever been a college recruiter that said "look at the Sophmore playing against and on a Freshman team. I bet their skills whould just destroy everyone at the Sophmore and Junior levels." no, they would say " Why is the Sophmore playjng on a Freshman team?"

Why do you care? There are biobands on my kids MLsN team that are 2 grades ahead of him. I don’t care. If it hurts their recruiting, oh well.

If someone plays with a grade lower than them and it hurts their recruiting, again, oh well. That’s on them. Them NOT being recruited doesn’t hurt me or my kid.

If the kid thats playing down and has no chance of being recruited played the same position as your kid and took all their minutes during a showcase you'd be upset.

This is the issue.

Ah. So at the heart of the matter, you’re worried your kid isn’t good enough under the SY age brackets. Ok, at least that’s honest.

If my kid didn’t make a team next year because of one or two kids born in early August, I wouldn’t blame those kids. My kid just wasn’t good enough for that team and we’d find another one.

No, it means since scores dont matter at showcases that players playjng down are unrecritable and just wasting everyone's time.

They might do showcases by grade, don't know. You should stump for showcase by grade then if this is your central concern. I don't care about showcases as colleges are scouting specific players that they have already been following and not evaluating the entire team.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

It is a very small issue, like very small. It only seems to be an issue here because of one or two aggrieved posters obsessing over it. But in reality, it is nothing compared to the trapped issues under BY. No one cares if the 2 or 3% of grade misaligned players play up, down or whatever.

The leadership doesn’t care either because it was much worse under BY, plus it wasn’t a real issue prior to BY. And they have much bigger fish to fry. This is a non-issue to them.

By the actual written rule they can do either. And both situations will happen. That’s it. Seriously, who cares? If you are one of the 2% of players who may be eligible to play with a grade lower than your current grade, find a club that will accommodate your needs. Whatever those are.

I agree that from the actual written rules both situations can potentially occur for younger than the eligibility window but grade up players.

The issue, if you want to call it that is GY (grade year) slippery slope. If leagues implemented a rule or a recommendation that young players play with their grade what you've done is grouped players by grade but without holdbacks/redshirts. Which is something club parents really like because they're footing the bill. Other people want to implement GY with regrades/holdbacks/redshirts in club soccer. Generally the way they plan to do it is by starting with GY Showcases. Which would end uo being something parents pay for but players 1-2 years older attend and play in.

If leagues implemented a rule or even a recommendation that young players play with their grade you would have teams grouped by grade but without holdbacks. Once implemented you could never implement GY showcases (with holdbacks) because teams would already be grouped by grade.

This is whats actually being argued about. Do you want GY Showcases where older players can play down 1-2 years in front of the recuiters youre paying for your kid to play in front of?

3 ifs too many. Took them 8 years to fix a real problem, going back to SY to reduce trapped players with a simple fix, changing dates. Anything further to reduce trapped players would be steps towards unwanted GY and enforceable grade documentation would also be a bridge to far with all of the different school districts in the country.

A written league reccomendation that younger than the eligibility window players play "up" with thier correct grade team requires no enforcement but would address the issue. It would also safeguard against the GY slippery slope.

ECNL recommends the opposite, they said to play 8/1 - 7/31 with only those that could dominate should consider playing up an age group. You should avoid ECNL then.

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Anonymous wrote:The reason people are argueing about younger than the eligibility window of 8/1-7/31 but a grade up in school is because after switching from BY to SY these are the only "trapped" players if you want to call them that. What makes them different from BY trapped players is younger players can always play up. If leagues made a rule or even drafted a recommendation that young players play with their grade every game would be grouped by grade. Which is exactly what college recruiters want.

The people in leadership positions are just being dumb and stubborn. Initially the called it School Year then once people agreed to switching from Birth Year they wanted to change the name to Seasonal Year because they didnt want the connection to grade in school. Which was something that was used to justify changing from BY to SY. So much moving the goalposts around after the fact.

The reality is club soccer and High School / College Soccer are different worlds. Either College Soccer needs to become more like club or Club Soccer needs to implement ways to bridge the gap between club and college. Younger players playing with their grade is an easy way to bring the two worlds together.

It is a very small issue, like very small. It only seems to be an issue here because of one or two aggrieved posters obsessing over it. But in reality, it is nothing compared to the trapped issues under BY. No one cares if the 2 or 3% of grade misaligned players play up, down or whatever.

The leadership doesn’t care either because it was much worse under BY, plus it wasn’t a real issue prior to BY. And they have much bigger fish to fry. This is a non-issue to them.

By the actual written rule they can do either. And both situations will happen. That’s it. Seriously, who cares? If you are one of the 2% of players who may be eligible to play with a grade lower than your current grade, find a club that will accommodate your needs. Whatever those are.

I agree that from the actual written rules both situations can potentially occur for younger than the eligibility window but grade up players.

The issue, if you want to call it that is GY (grade year) slippery slope. If leagues implemented a rule or a recommendation that young players play with their grade what you've done is grouped players by grade but without holdbacks/redshirts. Which is something club parents really like because they're footing the bill. Other people want to implement GY with regrades/holdbacks/redshirts in club soccer. Generally the way they plan to do it is by starting with GY Showcases. Which would end uo being something parents pay for but players 1-2 years older attend and play in.

If leagues implemented a rule or even a recommendation that young players play with their grade you would have teams grouped by grade but without holdbacks. Once implemented you could never implement GY showcases (with holdbacks) because teams would already be grouped by grade.

This is whats actually being argued about. Do you want GY Showcases where older players can play down 1-2 years in front of the recuiters youre paying for your kid to play in front of?

3 ifs too many. Took them 8 years to fix a real problem, going back to SY to reduce trapped players with a simple fix, changing dates. Anything further to reduce trapped players would be steps towards unwanted GY and enforceable grade documentation would also be a bridge to far with all of the different school districts in the country.

A written league reccomendation that younger than the eligibility window players play "up" with thier correct grade team requires no enforcement but would address the issue. It would also safeguard against the GY slippery slope.

Perfect! Go ahead and pitch this to the leagues. But right now, this doesn’t exist. So why argue here about something that doesn’t exist?

Great, we both agree that leagues should provide guidance that younger players roster by grade.

Nobody but you wants GY, delusional August guy.