3 children dead in private Christian elementary school shooting in TN

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

Oh, you're that person. I know you from the other thread. I literally have posted repeated responses to you, and pointed out that blue states already have constitutionally allowed measures in place that work and they aren't communist places. Others pointed out that other non-communist countries have sensible gun legislation. After all of that, I don't have much to say to you, so that's that. If anyone new wants to respond from the right sided POV, by all means, have at it.

You have not said how you would take those guns out of circulaton.

You know exactly what it would take to do that and know that it is not something anyone is willing to do.

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Anonymous wrote:The manifesto is going to be released:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nashville-shooter-audrey-hale-s-manifesto-to-be-released-official/ar-AA19f7c5

Like a lot of people, I'll read it out of general interest, but it's not going to change the fact that it was written by a disturbed person with guns who wanted to get famous and commit suicide by cop. I mean, does it really matter what reasons these killers give for why they kill? They all have some kind of grievances, real or imagined, and they are clearly intent on dying and taking others with them in a very newsworthy fashion. The only mass killer in recent history whose motives I'd like to know is the Las Vegas shooter. He killed 60 people and wounded 100s of others and nobody knows why.

+1 doesn't matter any more than the Buffalo grocery racist shooter nor the congressional baseball game shooter. It's all just a reason to deflect from...

What can we do to decrease gun deaths? Also nobody is daying eliminate. Reduce. Gunshot wounds are the number one cause of death in the US and tje GOP is deflecting with legislation about trans kids and books. GUNS ARE THE ACTUAL DANGER.

No.
The people behind the gun pulling the trigger are the actual danger. Guns do not shoot themselves.

When a gun is used to hurt or kill innocent people it is being used by a criminal or an extremely mentally ill person. These are the people who should not have access to firearms.

do tell how you're going to keep guns away from the mentally ill, some not even diagnosed yet.

How about starting with a database of who owns guns and mental healthcare workers could report people to police who shouldn’t have guns. A red flag system. If there is a gun registered to the home the police can go investigate.

Which Republicans are proposing this?

Still waiting.

Yep, crickets. And we have ways to establish this just as we have laws that allow involuntary hospitalization (FD-12 in DC). If republicans want to lock up all mentally ill who shouldn't have guns, how about we start with improving processes to establish people who should not have guns? Red flag laws DO work and sadly, could have worked in Nashville.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

Oh, you're that person. I know you from the other thread. I literally have posted repeated responses to you, and pointed out that blue states already have constitutionally allowed measures in place that work and they aren't communist places. Others pointed out that other non-communist countries have sensible gun legislation. After all of that, I don't have much to say to you, so that's that. If anyone new wants to respond from the right sided POV, by all means, have at it.

You have not said how you would take those guns out of circulaton.

You know exactly what it would take to do that and know that it is not something anyone is willing to do.

I (and others) previously posted to you that this would not be done other than incentivizing (toys for guns, yadda yadda) gun return, but it would be a moving forward legislature. You ignored all of that, so. Shrug. Red flag law could have worked in the Nashville case if there was one.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

Don't be hyperbolically ridiculous. The problem can be solved without violating all those amendments. For example, nothing in the Constitution says the 2nd Amendment is absolute and as such we put limits on ownership of full auto machine guns and other weaponry without being in violation of the 2nd Amendment. Just as the 1st Amendment right to free speech has many recognized limitations, and does not legally allow you to make false representations about goods and services, falsely pretend to be a police officer and so on.

And I'm not cool with children being shot to pieces in schools. Something NEEDS to be done.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

Oh, you're that person. I know you from the other thread. I literally have posted repeated responses to you, and pointed out that blue states already have constitutionally allowed measures in place that work and they aren't communist places. Others pointed out that other non-communist countries have sensible gun legislation. After all of that, I don't have much to say to you, so that's that. If anyone new wants to respond from the right sided POV, by all means, have at it.

You have not said how you would take those guns out of circulaton.

You know exactly what it would take to do that and know that it is not something anyone is willing to do.

I (and others) previously posted to you that this would not be done other than incentivizing (toys for guns, yadda yadda) gun return, but it would be a moving forward legislature. You ignored all of that, so. Shrug. Red flag law could have worked in the Nashville case if there was one.

Republicans ARE THE PROBLEM.

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Anonymous wrote:The manifesto is going to be released:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/nashville-shooter-audrey-hale-s-manifesto-to-be-released-official/ar-AA19f7c5

Like a lot of people, I'll read it out of general interest, but it's not going to change the fact that it was written by a disturbed person with guns who wanted to get famous and commit suicide by cop. I mean, does it really matter what reasons these killers give for why they kill? They all have some kind of grievances, real or imagined, and they are clearly intent on dying and taking others with them in a very newsworthy fashion. The only mass killer in recent history whose motives I'd like to know is the Las Vegas shooter. He killed 60 people and wounded 100s of others and nobody knows why.

+1 doesn't matter any more than the Buffalo grocery racist shooter nor the congressional baseball game shooter. It's all just a reason to deflect from...

What can we do to decrease gun deaths? Also nobody is daying eliminate. Reduce. Gunshot wounds are the number one cause of death in the US and tje GOP is deflecting with legislation about trans kids and books. GUNS ARE THE ACTUAL DANGER.

No.
The people behind the gun pulling the trigger are the actual danger. Guns do not shoot themselves.

When a gun is used to hurt or kill innocent people it is being used by a criminal or an extremely mentally ill person. These are the people who should not have access to firearms.

do tell how you're going to keep guns away from the mentally ill, some not even diagnosed yet.

How about starting with a database of who owns guns and mental healthcare workers could report people to police who shouldn’t have guns. A red flag system. If there is a gun registered to the home the police can go investigate.

Which Republicans are proposing this?

Still waiting.

Yep, crickets. And we have ways to establish this just as we have laws that allow involuntary hospitalization (FD-12 in DC). If republicans want to lock up all mentally ill who shouldn't have guns, how about we start with improving processes to establish people who should not have guns? Red flag laws DO work and sadly, could have worked in Nashville.

We should also have processes to flag patterns of suspicious behavior. For example the TN shooter legally bought 7 guns shortly before the school shooting. As I understand it, currently gun transaction forms are only used for background checks and no data is retained. which makes it impossible to detect problematic patterns of behavior. This is also how a lot of straw purchases happen.

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Republicans are too busy banning books, attacking drag queens, and censoring classic art to actually deal with REAL problems.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

Oh, you're that person. I know you from the other thread. I literally have posted repeated responses to you, and pointed out that blue states already have constitutionally allowed measures in place that work and they aren't communist places. Others pointed out that other non-communist countries have sensible gun legislation. After all of that, I don't have much to say to you, so that's that. If anyone new wants to respond from the right sided POV, by all means, have at it.

You have not said how you would take those guns out of circulaton.

You know exactly what it would take to do that and know that it is not something anyone is willing to do.

I (and others) previously posted to you that this would not be done other than incentivizing (toys for guns, yadda yadda) gun return, but it would be a moving forward legislature. You ignored all of that, so. Shrug. Red flag law could have worked in the Nashville case if there was one.

Then you really aren't serious about ending mass shootings and don't care about black and brown bodies.

400 million guns are on the streets and most mass shootings are not school shootings like this week's. Your proposals will do nothing to stop those shootings.

Giuliani's warrantless stop and frisk targeted black and brown bodies and while it worked, it violated civil rights and put black and brown bodies in fear. It was not legal either.

Red flag laws will likely not get past SCOTUS either, and as were struck down in NY state.

Again to do what you suggest, along with door to door would turn the USA into an authoritarian hell hole.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

Oh, you're that person. I know you from the other thread. I literally have posted repeated responses to you, and pointed out that blue states already have constitutionally allowed measures in place that work and they aren't communist places. Others pointed out that other non-communist countries have sensible gun legislation. After all of that, I don't have much to say to you, so that's that. If anyone new wants to respond from the right sided POV, by all means, have at it.

You have not said how you would take those guns out of circulaton.

You know exactly what it would take to do that and know that it is not something anyone is willing to do.

I (and others) previously posted to you that this would not be done other than incentivizing (toys for guns, yadda yadda) gun return, but it would be a moving forward legislature. You ignored all of that, so. Shrug. Red flag law could have worked in the Nashville case if there was one.

Then you really aren't serious about ending mass shootings and don't care about black and brown bodies.

400 million guns are on the streets and most mass shootings are not school shootings like this week's. Your proposals will do nothing to stop those shootings.

Giuliani's warrantless stop and frisk targeted black and brown bodies and while it worked, it violated civil rights and put black and brown bodies in fear. It was not legal either.

Red flag laws will likely not get past SCOTUS either, and as were struck down in NY state.

Again to do what you suggest, along with door to door would turn the USA into an authoritarian hell hole.

What do you suggest in light of the fact that most urban criminals killing brown and black bodies considering that the guns killing them get straw purchased in red states who will not enact anything to do something about it?

Red flag laws are still implemented in other blue states

Blue states aren't authoritarian h*ll holes (I grew up in one and thank my lucky stars after visiting the South) and already have more effective gun legislature at curbing crime than red states (especially so when you look at the fact that criminals in blue cities in blue states need to source guns from the south)

What do you suggest? Again I'm that OP who listened to my friend cry to me after Sandy Hook, who has friends and family who are law enforcement and teachers in a variety of places, who can sometimes hear gunshots from inside my house in the city I live in, who has a family member who happened to not get shot in a Buffalo grocery store? I am a mother of two children. My hospital where I work has had real shooter situations and active shooter scares leaving healthcare staff hiding for at least a half hour while patients needed care.

What action do you suggest beyond just better prosecution of existing laws?

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

Oh, you're that person. I know you from the other thread. I literally have posted repeated responses to you, and pointed out that blue states already have constitutionally allowed measures in place that work and they aren't communist places. Others pointed out that other non-communist countries have sensible gun legislation. After all of that, I don't have much to say to you, so that's that. If anyone new wants to respond from the right sided POV, by all means, have at it.

You have not said how you would take those guns out of circulaton.

You know exactly what it would take to do that and know that it is not something anyone is willing to do.

I (and others) previously posted to you that this would not be done other than incentivizing (toys for guns, yadda yadda) gun return, but it would be a moving forward legislature. You ignored all of that, so. Shrug. Red flag law could have worked in the Nashville case if there was one.

Then you really aren't serious about ending mass shootings and don't care about black and brown bodies.

400 million guns are on the streets and most mass shootings are not school shootings like this week's. Your proposals will do nothing to stop those shootings.

Giuliani's warrantless stop and frisk targeted black and brown bodies and while it worked, it violated civil rights and put black and brown bodies in fear. It was not legal either.

Red flag laws will likely not get past SCOTUS either, and as were struck down in NY state.

Again to do what you suggest, along with door to door would turn the USA into an authoritarian hell hole.

What do you suggest in light of the fact that most urban criminals killing brown and black bodies considering that the guns killing them get straw purchased in red states who will not enact anything to do something about it?

Red flag laws are still implemented in other blue states

Blue states aren't authoritarian h*ll holes (I grew up in one and thank my lucky stars after visiting the South) and already have more effective gun legislature at curbing crime than red states (especially so when you look at the fact that criminals in blue cities in blue states need to source guns from the south)

What do you suggest? Again I'm that OP who listened to my friend cry to me after Sandy Hook, who has friends and family who are law enforcement and teachers in a variety of places, who can sometimes hear gunshots from inside my house in the city I live in, who has a family member who happened to not get shot in a Buffalo grocery store? I am a mother of two children. My hospital where I work has had real shooter situations and active shooter scares leaving healthcare staff hiding for at least a half hour while patients needed care.

What action do you suggest beyond just better prosecution of existing laws?

DP clarifying that my friend cried to me because she attended the funeral of a child she knew who was blown to bits at Sandy Hook.

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No rights are absolute. I don't understand why the Republicans keep clinging to this false ideology that there can never be any restrictions on rights. Going to any federal building and yell. I have a bomb and see how far your freedom of speech gets you.
I'll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:No rights are absolute. I don't understand why the Republicans keep clinging to this false ideology that there can never be any restrictions on rights. Going to any federal building and yell. I have a bomb and see how far your freedom of speech gets you.
I'll wait.

There are no restrictions on rights, except when it comes to books, women’s bodies, classic art, etc etc etc.

They are the height of hypocrisy.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

Oh, you're that person. I know you from the other thread. I literally have posted repeated responses to you, and pointed out that blue states already have constitutionally allowed measures in place that work and they aren't communist places. Others pointed out that other non-communist countries have sensible gun legislation. After all of that, I don't have much to say to you, so that's that. If anyone new wants to respond from the right sided POV, by all means, have at it.

Can we as a collective completely stop acknowledging and responding to this disingenuous scrub? LOOK AT WHAT HE HAS WRITTEN- that there are literally zero even theoretical solutions to our mass murder crisis because of his not a lawyer interpretation of parts of the Bill of Rights and the 14th. He is literally arguing that pulverized at school first graders are the price of freedom. Ignore him! He’s vile, accept it.

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Anonymous wrote:People complaining about restrictions on rights. Really should go into an airplane and yell bomb or into a government building and yell fire and see what happens when you say it was your Right to freedom of speech....... Your freedoms can't Trump public safety?

I hear you, but we did just live through COVID and saw what one party thought of measure to protect others....

What, masks and shots and this is the same as letting criminals and mass shooters have guns to slaughter children with to the point that they can't be recognized other than bits of clothing and DNA? Sorry, no, get over it, GOP is the party of child killer enablers with gun deaths the #1 cause of pediatric deaths in the USA.

Not giving up the 1st, 4th, 5th and 14th amendments for this.

Please answer directly:

1) Why are mass shootings statistically more likely in (red) states with less restrictive gun laws and trending up in those states? (yes, anecdotally, mass shootings can happen anywhere, but they are statistically less likely in blue states with current gun legislation)
2) Why do criminals from democratic run cities source guns from straw purchases in red states (per gun tracing studies)?
3) If both of the above are true, why will you not conclude that sensible gun legislation already actually works, even without any repeal of 2a?

Check out where those mass shootings occur within red states. They occur in largely blue cities in certain communities. They tend not to occur as much in rural areas.

Data? blue states have cities too. So why are cities in red states worse than cities in blue states for mass shooting types of occurrances?

Also remind me why criminals in chicago need to source their guns from red states? Want to keep deflecting?

I'm taking it you haven't read the gun violence project.

Most mass shootings are concentrated among certain communities and aren't reported beyond the local area.

And why are communities in red states per capita more likely to have mass shooting than blue states?

Someone obviously didn't take stats class.

I took a lot of them actually. I meant communities in red states vs communities in blue states. I assume by "communities" you mean urban cities. So?

PS still waiting for an answer on why chicago criminals source their guns from far away? Same for other blue states? Anyone? Crickets?

They get half in illinois

And half not because they can't and because red states are totally sh*tty at straw purchase control.

At any rate, are you a parent? What is your research based suggestion for curtailing gun crime or you are just cool with babies being slaughtered and red states supplying criminals everywhere with guns?

-Mother of two elementary school children
-Good friend personally knew family/child involved in Sandy Hook
-Family and friend of teachers and law enforcement
-Close family member happened to not be at Buffalo grocery store the day of that shooting
-Live in city where I have heard gunshots from my house on multiple occasions
-Work in healthcare so know all to clearly the difference between handgun wounds and rifle wounds and what they can do to a person's body
-Work in healthcare where I spent a half hour under a desk during an active shooter scare (And we have had people pull guns in our ER and did have an actual shooting that killed a healthcare worker years ago)

I say all of this repeatedly because the only responses I get from people on the right are sarcasm, bluster, stalling, deflecting and pretending it's no big deal. Generic platitudes of "enforce existing laws" and "loss of family values." Blah blah blah.

This is personal, it's real, and my anger isn't generated from reading left wing news so much as personal experience.

What are your solutions? Anything other than generic platitudes and sarcasm?

I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

Oh, you're that person. I know you from the other thread. I literally have posted repeated responses to you, and pointed out that blue states already have constitutionally allowed measures in place that work and they aren't communist places. Others pointed out that other non-communist countries have sensible gun legislation. After all of that, I don't have much to say to you, so that's that. If anyone new wants to respond from the right sided POV, by all means, have at it.

You have not said how you would take those guns out of circulaton.

You know exactly what it would take to do that and know that it is not something anyone is willing to do.

I (and others) previously posted to you that this would not be done other than incentivizing (toys for guns, yadda yadda) gun return, but it would be a moving forward legislature. You ignored all of that, so. Shrug. Red flag law could have worked in the Nashville case if there was one.

Then you really aren't serious about ending mass shootings and don't care about black and brown bodies.

400 million guns are on the streets and most mass shootings are not school shootings like this week's. Your proposals will do nothing to stop those shootings.

Giuliani's warrantless stop and frisk targeted black and brown bodies and while it worked, it violated civil rights and put black and brown bodies in fear. It was not legal either.

Red flag laws will likely not get past SCOTUS either, and as were struck down in NY state.

Again to do what you suggest, along with door to door would turn the USA into an authoritarian hell hole.

What do you suggest in light of the fact that most urban criminals killing brown and black bodies considering that the guns killing them get straw purchased in red states who will not enact anything to do something about it?

Red flag laws are still implemented in other blue states

Blue states aren't authoritarian h*ll holes (I grew up in one and thank my lucky stars after visiting the South) and already have more effective gun legislature at curbing crime than red states (especially so when you look at the fact that criminals in blue cities in blue states need to source guns from the south)

What do you suggest? Again I'm that OP who listened to my friend cry to me after Sandy Hook, who has friends and family who are law enforcement and teachers in a variety of places, who can sometimes hear gunshots from inside my house in the city I live in, who has a family member who happened to not get shot in a Buffalo grocery store? I am a mother of two children. My hospital where I work has had real shooter situations and active shooter scares leaving healthcare staff hiding for at least a half hour while patients needed care.

What action do you suggest beyond just better prosecution of existing laws?

DP clarifying that my friend cried to me because she attended the funeral of a child she knew who was blown to bits at Sandy Hook.

I'll post again to add that it's clear YOU aren't serious about preventing gun crime because you haven't been personally impacted, YOU don't have skin in the game, YOU are unwilling to budge an inch to save kids from the number one killer of children in the USA. You have nothing more to say to me, do you, when you haven't had to comfort someone impacted by a school shooting, when you haven't had to hide under your desk, when you don't breathe a sigh of relief that your loved one wasn't at a particular location that they frequent on a particular day?

Nothing more to say, the silence is palpable.

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I'm not cool with the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, and 14th ammendments being violated as that is what it would take to solve the problem.

I grew up in a Communist country and have no desire to give up those freedoms. A place where due process does not exist.

Which communist country did you grow up in?