Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

Ask Jeff if you doubt.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is doomed. This is just like Israel and Palestine, except Russia isn’t Americas ally so we don’t take their side. Many politicians and people in power in this country have dual Israeli citizenship…..so a blind eye is turned to the eradication of Palestine and ongoing illegal settlements. Yet Ukraine is supported (their leader is also Jewish)

In 50 years there will only be Russians and Israelis. No more Palestinians or Ukrainians

This is an interesting take, but since Ukrainians are supported by the West, wouldn’t it help them survive? Also Russia is either too weak or doesn’t really want to invade the whole country, I can’t quite tell.
I think they would happily settle for the Black Sea regions and Donbas and leave the rest of Ukraine alone.
The rest of Ukraine would then take frequent raids on the Russians, and it would look just like Israel vs Palestine.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My my... the pro-Russia DCUM faction is having some cope issues this morning, and is trying to lash out.

Slava Ukraini.

Totally. It’s bot city out here with these fools trying to spread propaganda.

No one is convinced, guys.

We all know you’re just “pro-peace” (more so pro-annexation and pro war crimes)

And that Ukrainian folks speak Russian so naturally they love getting invaded and all that.

But really we are all laughing at your Fox News, News Max addled brains. And I’m sorry but even Mitch Mcconell and Mcarthy are still supporting the transfer of money and aid to Ukraine, so your little fever dreams of just laying belly up and not helping are falling on deaf ears even in your own party.

Either you are bots or Christian nationalist idiots who love autboraarian rulers and wish for that over here. You’d love a strongman like putin over here to repress the gays and what not. But sure, when you say you “just want peace” we all know what you mean. lol. Idiots.

Of course, anyone who disagrees with you is just a bot or subhuman.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is doomed. This is just like Israel and Palestine, except Russia isn’t Americas ally so we don’t take their side. Many politicians and people in power in this country have dual Israeli citizenship…..so a blind eye is turned to the eradication of Palestine and ongoing illegal settlements. Yet Ukraine is supported (their leader is also Jewish)

In 50 years there will only be Russians and Israelis. No more Palestinians or Ukrainians

The funny thing is that as recently as thirty years ago, anyone from the former USSR space was a "Russian" in America. I remember it took special pains to explain to people that there were such things as Armenians, Tajiks, Ukrainians, Uzbeks etc. I mean people nodded and all, but you could see it was all casse-tete chinoise to them.

Very funny to remember that in the context of the current chest-beating of "they are Ukrainians! not Russians!" , as if anyone in America could tell them apart.

You can thank Putin for that. He's been beating the anti-West drum for the last 20 years, turning Russians against us, whereas we've not seen nearly as much of that from people of the other former SSRs.

He was perfectly friendly to the West twenty years ago. I assure you he did not begin his career from an anti-West place.

If I asked you to name all fifteen of the SSRs, would you be able to, without googling? No? Here's your answer.

LOL, he was a KGB agent in Berlin. You have no idea what you are talking about. He has been beating the 're-create the USSR" drum for his entire career.

So what? Nobody held a CIA directorship against an American president yet, and it's not like CIA spends its time cuddling kittens.

Putin said that whoever misses USSR doesn't have a brain. He is interested in expanding his country's influence in the region, sure. Isn't every country?

He wants to re-create the USSR.

Belarus is a puppet/ satellite, just like all the countries under Russian in the USSR were.

Putin did not just work for the KGB / Stasi, he actually ran the whole agency for a time.

Putin is an enemy of the US. We are better off when his regime is no longer in power.

Just another bunch of slogans
-DP

[Anonymous]

Ok I suggest we just ignore the rabid bot conspiracy theorist

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My my... the pro-Russia DCUM faction is having some cope issues this morning, and is trying to lash out.

Slava Ukraini.

Totally. It’s bot city out here with these fools trying to spread propaganda.

No one is convinced, guys.

We all know you’re just “pro-peace” (more so pro-annexation and pro war crimes)

And that Ukrainian folks speak Russian so naturally they love getting invaded and all that.

But really we are all laughing at your Fox News, News Max addled brains. And I’m sorry but even Mitch Mcconell and Mcarthy are still supporting the transfer of money and aid to Ukraine, so your little fever dreams of just laying belly up and not helping are falling on deaf ears even in your own party.

Either you are bots or Christian nationalist idiots who love autboraarian rulers and wish for that over here. You’d love a strongman like putin over here to repress the gays and what not. But sure, when you say you “just want peace” we all know what you mean. lol. Idiots.

Of course, anyone who disagrees with you is just a bot or subhuman.

Not subhuman (unless a bot), but more so a patsy or naive, impressionable weakling who would roll over for an authoritarian regime because Tucker Carlson fed them a bunch of crap they’ve digested and regurgitate here. They claim to want “peace”, but really don’t grasp how the world works or how dictators like Hitler and Putin need someone to stand up to them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My my... the pro-Russia DCUM faction is having some cope issues this morning, and is trying to lash out.

Slava Ukraini.

Totally. It’s bot city out here with these fools trying to spread propaganda.

No one is convinced, guys.

We all know you’re just “pro-peace” (more so pro-annexation and pro war crimes)

And that Ukrainian folks speak Russian so naturally they love getting invaded and all that.

But really we are all laughing at your Fox News, News Max addled brains. And I’m sorry but even Mitch Mcconell and Mcarthy are still supporting the transfer of money and aid to Ukraine, so your little fever dreams of just laying belly up and not helping are falling on deaf ears even in your own party.

Either you are bots or Christian nationalist idiots who love autboraarian rulers and wish for that over here. You’d love a strongman like putin over here to repress the gays and what not. But sure, when you say you “just want peace” we all know what you mean. lol. Idiots.

Of course, anyone who disagrees with you is just a bot or subhuman.

Not subhuman (unless a bot), but more so a patsy or naive, impressionable weakling who would roll over for an authoritarian regime because Tucker Carlson fed them a bunch of crap they’ve digested and regurgitate here. They claim to want “peace”, but really don’t grasp how the world works or how dictators like Hitler and Putin need someone to stand up to them.

Why is the US that someone?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My my... the pro-Russia DCUM faction is having some cope issues this morning, and is trying to lash out.

Slava Ukraini.

Totally. It’s bot city out here with these fools trying to spread propaganda.

No one is convinced, guys.

We all know you’re just “pro-peace” (more so pro-annexation and pro war crimes)

And that Ukrainian folks speak Russian so naturally they love getting invaded and all that.

But really we are all laughing at your Fox News, News Max addled brains. And I’m sorry but even Mitch Mcconell and Mcarthy are still supporting the transfer of money and aid to Ukraine, so your little fever dreams of just laying belly up and not helping are falling on deaf ears even in your own party.

Either you are bots or Christian nationalist idiots who love autboraarian rulers and wish for that over here. You’d love a strongman like putin over here to repress the gays and what not. But sure, when you say you “just want peace” we all know what you mean. lol. Idiots.

Of course, anyone who disagrees with you is just a bot or subhuman.

Not subhuman (unless a bot), but more so a patsy or naive, impressionable weakling who would roll over for an authoritarian regime because Tucker Carlson fed them a bunch of crap they’ve digested and regurgitate here. They claim to want “peace”, but really don’t grasp how the world works or how dictators like Hitler and Putin need someone to stand up to them.

Why is the US that someone?

Because it’s the right thing to do and we stand with our WW2 allies and show that we can still be a bastion of hope. The cost benefit analysis of it all basically pans out in America’s favor. I know Fox or News Max or fking RT doesn’t tell you that, because their content is directed at folks who embrace rightward authoritarian Christian nationalism, but really the educated folks can grasp what is going on.

[Anonymous]

I check in on this thread now and again. Seems a bit off the rails last few pages.

To get back on topic- Russia is the bad guy here. Like the anti-Christ of civilization.

Good guy - Ukraine who was just living their lives and got invaded.

Interested parties - the west; who said that is not cool to invade your next door neighbor. Here are weapons.

China - who thinks it is cool and should invade Taiwan itself.

Africa- on the sidelines but Russia never did the who slave thing so they are better bet than the west so we will hook them up where we can.

Middle East - business as usual; play both sides just to make life suck for both sides

[Anonymous]

The suspense is killing me. Which door is Russia going to choose? Are they going to relieve Wagner and reinforce Bakhmut from the surrounding front lines, let it go, or force Wagner to die? Can they let it go and still keep up the annexation farce? Will they get encircled? Where is the main attack coming from? Is Ukraine bluffing?

So many questions and so many variables. No wonder Pirozghin wants out. His prisoner meat force is spent. None of those options look good. What gets sacrificied?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is doomed. This is just like Israel and Palestine, except Russia isn’t Americas ally so we don’t take their side. Many politicians and people in power in this country have dual Israeli citizenship…..so a blind eye is turned to the eradication of Palestine and ongoing illegal settlements. Yet Ukraine is supported (their leader is also Jewish)

In 50 years there will only be Russians and Israelis. No more Palestinians or Ukrainians

This is an interesting take, but since Ukrainians are supported by the West, wouldn’t it help them survive? Also Russia is either too weak or doesn’t really want to invade the whole country, I can’t quite tell.
I think they would happily settle for the Black Sea regions and Donbas and leave the rest of Ukraine alone.
The rest of Ukraine would then take frequent raids on the Russians, and it would look just like Israel vs Palestine.

DP: If there was an artificial ceasefire imposed today then that scenario sounds plausible. Although it also depends upon which part of the cycle we are currently on. Is it '48, '56, or '67?

I can also see the Palestinian example though. It depends on which part of the Conflict one is focused on. But from a defensive military perspective that's a good parallel except the raids will be mutual.

It seems pretty clear that Russia's maxed out it's attacking power and needs to resupply. The only question is whether Ukraine was similarly degraded.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Ukraine is doomed. This is just like Israel and Palestine, except Russia isn’t Americas ally so we don’t take their side. Many politicians and people in power in this country have dual Israeli citizenship…..so a blind eye is turned to the eradication of Palestine and ongoing illegal settlements. Yet Ukraine is supported (their leader is also Jewish)

In 50 years there will only be Russians and Israelis. No more Palestinians or Ukrainians

This is an interesting take, but since Ukrainians are supported by the West, wouldn’t it help them survive? Also Russia is either too weak or doesn’t really want to invade the whole country, I can’t quite tell.
I think they would happily settle for the Black Sea regions and Donbas and leave the rest of Ukraine alone.
The rest of Ukraine would then take frequent raids on the Russians, and it would look just like Israel vs Palestine.

DP: If there was an artificial ceasefire imposed today then that scenario sounds plausible. Although it also depends upon which part of the cycle we are currently on. Is it '48, '56, or '67?

I can also see the Palestinian example though. It depends on which part of the Conflict one is focused on. But from a defensive military perspective that's a good parallel except the raids will be mutual.

It seems pretty clear that Russia's maxed out it's attacking power and needs to resupply. The only question is whether Ukraine was similarly degraded.

Point about mutual raids taken.
Sanctions will be kept and they will slowly but surely weaken the Russian economy.
I feel bad for the people who live in the line of the upcoming counteroffensive.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:My my... the pro-Russia DCUM faction is having some cope issues this morning, and is trying to lash out.

Slava Ukraini.

Totally. It’s bot city out here with these fools trying to spread propaganda.

No one is convinced, guys.

We all know you’re just “pro-peace” (more so pro-annexation and pro war crimes)

And that Ukrainian folks speak Russian so naturally they love getting invaded and all that.

But really we are all laughing at your Fox News, News Max addled brains. And I’m sorry but even Mitch Mcconell and Mcarthy are still supporting the transfer of money and aid to Ukraine, so your little fever dreams of just laying belly up and not helping are falling on deaf ears even in your own party.

Either you are bots or Christian nationalist idiots who love autboraarian rulers and wish for that over here. You’d love a strongman like putin over here to repress the gays and what not. But sure, when you say you “just want peace” we all know what you mean. lol. Idiots.

Of course, anyone who disagrees with you is just a bot or subhuman.

Not subhuman (unless a bot), but more so a patsy or naive, impressionable weakling who would roll over for an authoritarian regime because Tucker Carlson fed them a bunch of crap they’ve digested and regurgitate here. They claim to want “peace”, but really don’t grasp how the world works or how dictators like Hitler and Putin need someone to stand up to them.

But the US is perfectly happy to support dictators when it works for them. Why do you pretend otherwise ? If your argument is that the US is opposed to dictatorships, then it is demonstrably wrong,

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I check in on this thread now and again. Seems a bit off the rails last few pages.

To get back on topic- Russia is the bad guy here. Like the anti-Christ of civilization.

Good guy - Ukraine who was just living their lives and got invaded.

Interested parties - the west; who said that is not cool to invade your next door neighbor. Here are weapons.

China - who thinks it is cool and should invade Taiwan itself.

Africa- on the sidelines but Russia never did the who slave thing so they are better bet than the west so we will hook them up where we can.

Middle East - business as usual; play both sides just to make life suck for both sides

The US never opposed invasions in principle. It’s a lie for you to say that they did.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I check in on this thread now and again. Seems a bit off the rails last few pages.

To get back on topic- Russia is the bad guy here. Like the anti-Christ of civilization.

Good guy - Ukraine who was just living their lives and got invaded.

Interested parties - the west; who said that is not cool to invade your next door neighbor. Here are weapons.

China - who thinks it is cool and should invade Taiwan itself.

Africa- on the sidelines but Russia never did the who slave thing so they are better bet than the west so we will hook them up where we can.

Middle East - business as usual; play both sides just to make life suck for both sides

The US never opposed invasions in principle. It’s a lie for you to say that they did.

The US and almost the entire world has indeed been against, on principle, wars of territorial expansion. Territorial integrity is one of the key foundational principles of the UN and the post-WW2 international order.