Another gunman, another elementary school

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Anonymous wrote:The nightmare continues. Another casualty from this attack...

Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, TX on Tuesday, has reportedly suffered a fatal heart attack.

Joe and Irma were high school sweethearts and married 24 years.

They leave behind four children.

My god.

Please say this is not true.

Very sad and true > https://twitter.com/fuhknjo/status/1529870121023557632

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him. Especially if there was more than one of them

Unfortunately, that's not what their training tells them to do:

Police training starts in the academy, where the concept of officer safety is so heavily emphasized that it takes on almost religious significance. Rookie officers are taught what is widely known as the “first rule of law enforcement”: An officer’s overriding goal every day is to go home at the end of their shift.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

Sorry, this is applicable when rooms full of 9 and 10 yr olds are getting slaughtered. You don’t just stand outside and wait.

It's inapplicable to any active shooter post Columbine. The thinking used to be that you want to calm and negotiate with a gunman to save lives, but now it's go in fast and search out the shooter before they can kill more people. These cops decided to wait

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html

I'm not going to sit in judgement of cops who made choices under difficult circumstances. We'd all like to think that we would have done better when faced with the prospect of dying kids, but half of DC has had the luxury of working of been sitting at home because of COVID. Most of us are hardly the warriors for the public good (with the exception of frontline workers).

A sniper fired more than 200 high velocity rounds at my kid’s school in DC using four fully automatic assault rifles and a high capacity drum magazine. Four people were shot. This happened last month.

And that is the fault of Congress (specifically Republicans) for not having the guts and brains to put in place common sense measures that would reauire background checks and ban high capacity magazines. Because all of the legitimate gun owners out there know you don’t need the standard number of rounds to shoot a deer.

Do you think for a second that the person shooting up the PP's school legally purchased that gun? No.

DP. I do think that, because that's what seems to have happened.

"In a fifth-story apartment furnished with not much more than a mattress on the floor and two folding tables, the 23-year-old had amassed four legally purchased high-powered rifles mounted with scopes, two handguns and more than a thousand rounds of ammunition." (https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/05/12/edmund-burke-spencer-school-shooting/)

The guy had no prior criminal history (https://wjla.com/features/i-team/dc-shooting-northwest-dc-vann-ness-shooter-who-is-raymoond-spencer-gunman-wheaton-high-school-dc-apartment-chief-contee-four-injured-connectivut-avenue-police-fairfax-county-raymond-spencer-background) and I've seen no evidence he had any of the mental health issues that keep you from legally purchasing a gun. Why wouldn't I think he purchased it legally? People legally purchase guns and then massacre (or try to massacre) people with them in this country.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him. Especially if there was more than one of them

Unfortunately, that's not what their training tells them to do:

Police training starts in the academy, where the concept of officer safety is so heavily emphasized that it takes on almost religious significance. Rookie officers are taught what is widely known as the “first rule of law enforcement”: An officer’s overriding goal every day is to go home at the end of their shift.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

Sorry, this is applicable when rooms full of 9 and 10 yr olds are getting slaughtered. You don’t just stand outside and wait.

It's inapplicable to any active shooter post Columbine. The thinking used to be that you want to calm and negotiate with a gunman to save lives, but now it's go in fast and search out the shooter before they can kill more people. These cops decided to wait

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html

I'm not going to sit in judgement of cops who made choices under difficult circumstances. We'd all like to think that we would have done better when faced with the prospect of dying kids, but half of DC has had the luxury of working of been sitting at home because of COVID. Most of us are hardly the warriors for the public good (with the exception of frontline workers).

A sniper fired more than 200 high velocity rounds at my kid’s school in DC using four fully automatic assault rifles and a high capacity drum magazine. Four people were shot. This happened last month.

And that is the fault of Congress (specifically Republicans) for not having the guts and brains to put in place common sense measures that would reauire background checks and ban high capacity magazines. Because all of the legitimate gun owners out there know you don’t need the standard number of rounds to shoot a deer.

Do you think for a second that the person shooting up the PP's school legally purchased that gun? No.

Inconvenient truth: the sniper who targeted the DC school last month was able to purchase components to assemble FOUR assault rifles, as well as TWO additional partially assembled assault rifles, in Virginia because he passed the bare minimum NCIS check. He also purchased TWO semiautomatic handguns and thousands of ammo rounds, a sniper tripod, and a scope which live-streamed video. The shooter had no job and yet rented teo apartments and spent untold thousands on amassing his arsenal.

At least two bullets struck local businesses after travelling more than 3/4 of a mile.

So, yeah, maybe sit this one out.

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s face face, for all the talk about common see we see gun reform, a universal federal background check and mandatory waiting period with no private sale exemption would be great but would not have stopped this and most other school shootings. If nothing comes back from NCIS the purchaser simply gets to walk out with the gun and unlimited ammo in a few minutes in most states.

Then there’s the related issue of ensuring that background checks can be completed by the FBI within three days if a sale is flagged and all relevant mental health and criminal information is accessible.

Tons can be done, starting with outlawing assault rifles and high capacity clips, and also raising the minimum purchase age across the board.

Im sorry, but these are matters of post-Heller and MacDonald jurisprudence under the Second Amendment. The Supreme Court will not outlaw assault rifles. The Supreme Court will not raise the minimum age of purchase to 21. The Fourth Citcuit already has invalidated a prohibition against handgun sales to anyone under 21. They will have a harder time with restrictions on high capacity magazines. Bans for untraceable ghost guns are already being challenged as was the banning of bump stocks after Las Vegas.

Unrestricted gun rights is something that will keep Clarence Thomas snd other Federalist Society fanatics on the bench for years to come.

This. Unless the Supreme Court decides to overturn precedent and restrict rights that it previously acknowledged, legislation here will not withstand challenge.

Oh wait.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him. Especially if there was more than one of them

Unfortunately, that's not what their training tells them to do:

Police training starts in the academy, where the concept of officer safety is so heavily emphasized that it takes on almost religious significance. Rookie officers are taught what is widely known as the “first rule of law enforcement”: An officer’s overriding goal every day is to go home at the end of their shift.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

Sorry, this is applicable when rooms full of 9 and 10 yr olds are getting slaughtered. You don’t just stand outside and wait.

It's inapplicable to any active shooter post Columbine. The thinking used to be that you want to calm and negotiate with a gunman to save lives, but now it's go in fast and search out the shooter before they can kill more people. These cops decided to wait

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html

I'm not going to sit in judgement of cops who made choices under difficult circumstances. We'd all like to think that we would have done better when faced with the prospect of dying kids, but half of DC has had the luxury of working of been sitting at home because of COVID. Most of us are hardly the warriors for the public good (with the exception of frontline workers).

A sniper fired more than 200 high velocity rounds at my kid’s school in DC using four fully automatic assault rifles and a high capacity drum magazine. Four people were shot. This happened last month.

And that is the fault of Congress (specifically Republicans) for not having the guts and brains to put in place common sense measures that would reauire background checks and ban high capacity magazines. Because all of the legitimate gun owners out there know you don’t need the standard number of rounds to shoot a deer.

Do you think for a second that the person shooting up the PP's school legally purchased that gun? No.

Ugh. I'm so tired of the "people will get them illegally anyway!" crap. These are always the same people who think outlawing abortions will make all abortions go away.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Ted Cruz is a pathetic coward and hypocrite.

He's so fake. You can see the fake sincerity on his face, and as soon as he's challenged, the demon behind the mask comes out.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him. Especially if there was more than one of them

Unfortunately, that's not what their training tells them to do:

Police training starts in the academy, where the concept of officer safety is so heavily emphasized that it takes on almost religious significance. Rookie officers are taught what is widely known as the “first rule of law enforcement”: An officer’s overriding goal every day is to go home at the end of their shift.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

Sorry, this is applicable when rooms full of 9 and 10 yr olds are getting slaughtered. You don’t just stand outside and wait.

It's inapplicable to any active shooter post Columbine. The thinking used to be that you want to calm and negotiate with a gunman to save lives, but now it's go in fast and search out the shooter before they can kill more people. These cops decided to wait

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html

I'm not going to sit in judgement of cops who made choices under difficult circumstances. We'd all like to think that we would have done better when faced with the prospect of dying kids, but half of DC has had the luxury of working of been sitting at home because of COVID. Most of us are hardly the warriors for the public good (with the exception of frontline workers).

A sniper fired more than 200 high velocity rounds at my kid’s school in DC using four fully automatic assault rifles and a high capacity drum magazine. Four people were shot. This happened last month.

And that is the fault of Congress (specifically Republicans) for not having the guts and brains to put in place common sense measures that would reauire background checks and ban high capacity magazines. Because all of the legitimate gun owners out there know you don’t need the standard number of rounds to shoot a deer.

Do you think for a second that the person shooting up the PP's school legally purchased that gun? No.

Ugh. I'm so tired of the "people will get them illegally anyway!" crap. These are always the same people who think outlawing abortions will make all abortions go away.

This. So what if there are illegal ways to get them. We have to do something. And longer we wait, the more behind the curve we are.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him. Especially if there was more than one of them

Unfortunately, that's not what their training tells them to do:

Police training starts in the academy, where the concept of officer safety is so heavily emphasized that it takes on almost religious significance. Rookie officers are taught what is widely known as the “first rule of law enforcement”: An officer’s overriding goal every day is to go home at the end of their shift.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

Sorry, this is applicable when rooms full of 9 and 10 yr olds are getting slaughtered. You don’t just stand outside and wait.

It's inapplicable to any active shooter post Columbine. The thinking used to be that you want to calm and negotiate with a gunman to save lives, but now it's go in fast and search out the shooter before they can kill more people. These cops decided to wait

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html

I'm not going to sit in judgement of cops who made choices under difficult circumstances. We'd all like to think that we would have done better when faced with the prospect of dying kids, but half of DC has had the luxury of working of been sitting at home because of COVID. Most of us are hardly the warriors for the public good (with the exception of frontline workers).

A sniper fired more than 200 high velocity rounds at my kid’s school in DC using four fully automatic assault rifles and a high capacity drum magazine. Four people were shot. This happened last month.

And that is the fault of Congress (specifically Republicans) for not having the guts and brains to put in place common sense measures that would reauire background checks and ban high capacity magazines. Because all of the legitimate gun owners out there know you don’t need the standard number of rounds to shoot a deer.

Do you think for a second that the person shooting up the PP's school legally purchased that gun? No.

Ugh. I'm so tired of the "people will get them illegally anyway!" crap. These are always the same people who think outlawing abortions will make all abortions go away.

It’s almost incomprehensible that anyone not acting in bad faith would think that an AR15 wasn’t purchased legally when used for the purpose of committing mass murder. Particularly in circumstances where there are multiple weapons.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him. Especially if there was more than one of them

Unfortunately, that's not what their training tells them to do:

Police training starts in the academy, where the concept of officer safety is so heavily emphasized that it takes on almost religious significance. Rookie officers are taught what is widely known as the “first rule of law enforcement”: An officer’s overriding goal every day is to go home at the end of their shift.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

Sorry, this is applicable when rooms full of 9 and 10 yr olds are getting slaughtered. You don’t just stand outside and wait.

It's inapplicable to any active shooter post Columbine. The thinking used to be that you want to calm and negotiate with a gunman to save lives, but now it's go in fast and search out the shooter before they can kill more people. These cops decided to wait

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html

I'm not going to sit in judgement of cops who made choices under difficult circumstances. We'd all like to think that we would have done better when faced with the prospect of dying kids, but half of DC has had the luxury of working of been sitting at home because of COVID. Most of us are hardly the warriors for the public good (with the exception of frontline workers).

A sniper fired more than 200 high velocity rounds at my kid’s school in DC using four fully automatic assault rifles and a high capacity drum magazine. Four people were shot. This happened last month.

And that is the fault of Congress (specifically Republicans) for not having the guts and brains to put in place common sense measures that would reauire background checks and ban high capacity magazines. Because all of the legitimate gun owners out there know you don’t need the standard number of rounds to shoot a deer.

Do you think for a second that the person shooting up the PP's school legally purchased that gun? No.

Ugh. I'm so tired of the "people will get them illegally anyway!" crap. These are always the same people who think outlawing abortions will make all abortions go away.

It’s almost incomprehensible that anyone not acting in bad faith would think that an AR15 wasn’t purchased legally when used for the purpose of committing mass murder. Particularly in circumstances where there are multiple weapons.

+1. The weapons used in these massacres are often purchased legally. Buffalo, Uvalde, Parkland, Tree of Life, El Paso, Las Vegas, all purchased legally.

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Anonymous wrote:Ted Cruz is a pathetic coward and hypocrite.

He's so fake. You can see the fake sincerity on his face, and as soon as he's challenged, the demon behind the mask comes out.

Can’t decide which is more apropos:

“To know Ted Cruz is to dislike Ted Cruz”

Or

“Why do people instantaneously dislike Ted Cruz? Because it saves time.”

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What?

"A man who walked onto the campus of an Arlington elementary school Thursday morning was injured when a gun he was wearing was accidentally discharged, police say.

Arlington police said they do not believe the man had any malicious intent and that he was there to pick up a child."

https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/man-carries-gun-onto-arlington-elementary-campus-accidentally-shoots-self-in-the-foot/2978774/

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Anonymous wrote:Ted Cruz is a pathetic coward and hypocrite.

He's awful. And that's good persistent questioning from the journalist.

And poor put upon ted cruz just couldn't handle it.

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Anonymous wrote:Ted Cruz is a pathetic coward and hypocrite.

He's so fake. You can see the fake sincerity on his face, and as soon as he's challenged, the demon behind the mask comes out.

Can’t decide which is more apropos:

“To know Ted Cruz is to dislike Ted Cruz”

Or

“Why do people instantaneously dislike Ted Cruz? Because it saves time.”

Then there’s the take of the inimitable Al Franken —

Here’s the thing you have to understand about Ted Cruz. I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ted Cruz is a pathetic coward and hypocrite.

He's so fake. You can see the fake sincerity on his face, and as soon as he's challenged, the demon behind the mask comes out.

Can’t decide which is more apropos:

“To know Ted Cruz is to dislike Ted Cruz”

Or

“Why do people instantaneously dislike Ted Cruz? Because it saves time.”

Then there’s the take of the inimitable Al Franken —

Here’s the thing you have to understand about Ted Cruz. I like Ted Cruz more than most of my other colleagues like Ted Cruz. And I hate Ted Cruz.

Bring Al Franken back. Dems totally overreacted but ousting him. He is a good guy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ted Cruz is a pathetic coward and hypocrite.

He's awful. And that's good persistent questioning from the journalist.

And poor put upon ted cruz just couldn't handle it.

He's such a GD idiot. Asking why this is being turned into political propaganda. BECAUSE YOU MAKE THE LAWS YOU DUMBASS. It's a political issue. It's a gun issue.