Another gunman, another elementary school

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The nightmare continues. Another casualty from this attack...

Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, TX on Tuesday, has reportedly suffered a fatal heart attack.

Joe and Irma were high school sweethearts and married 24 years.

They leave behind four children.

No words.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The nightmare continues. Another casualty from this attack...

Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, TX on Tuesday, has reportedly suffered a fatal heart attack.

Joe and Irma were high school sweethearts and married 24 years.

They leave behind four children.

I just saw this. I am speechless and heartbroken. One of their sons is a Marine, another is at a TX university and two younger girls are in 10th and 7th grades.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The nightmare continues. Another casualty from this attack...

Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, TX on Tuesday, has reportedly suffered a fatal heart attack.

Joe and Irma were high school sweethearts and married 24 years.

They leave behind four children.

I just saw this. I am speechless and heartbroken. One of their sons is a Marine, another is at a TX university and two younger girls are in 10th and 7th grades.

My God.
This has to stop.

[Anonymous]

There's a video of the cops pinning a parent to the ground to prevent them from trying to help their kid.

But reportedly they took their own children out.

So the "good guys with guns" not only did nothing, they assaulted and argued with parents who wanted to help their kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Just saw a video on Twitter of the grandfather walking a reporter through his home where the boy lived and where he shot his grandmother. You’d think the police would have that place locked down and secured as a crime scene and part of the investigation. What is going on down there?

Link?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ted Cruz is a pathetic coward and hypocrite.

Why do Texans elect him? Do they really want this morally handicapped a$$hole represent them.

Isn't the obvious answer yes? They elected Abbott too.

I hope Beto can make some headway

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s face face, for all the talk about common see we see gun reform, a universal federal background check and mandatory waiting period with no private sale exemption would be great but would not have stopped this and most other school shootings. If nothing comes back from NCIS the purchaser simply gets to walk out with the gun and unlimited ammo in a few minutes in most states.

Then there’s the related issue of ensuring that background checks can be completed by the FBI within three days if a sale is flagged and all relevant mental health and criminal information is accessible.

Tons can be done, starting with outlawing assault rifles and high capacity clips, and also raising the minimum purchase age across the board.

Im sorry, but these are matters of post-Heller and MacDonald jurisprudence under the Second Amendment. The Supreme Court will not outlaw assault rifles. The Supreme Court will not raise the minimum age of purchase to 21. The Fourth Citcuit already has invalidated a prohibition against handgun sales to anyone under 21. They will have a harder time with restrictions on high capacity magazines. Bans for untraceable ghost guns are already being challenged as was the banning of bump stocks after Las Vegas.

Unrestricted gun rights is something that will keep Clarence Thomas snd other Federalist Society fanatics on the bench for years to come.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The nightmare continues. Another casualty from this attack...

Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, TX on Tuesday, has reportedly suffered a fatal heart attack.

Joe and Irma were high school sweethearts and married 24 years.

They leave behind four children.

My god.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him. Especially if there was more than one of them

Unfortunately, that's not what their training tells them to do:

Police training starts in the academy, where the concept of officer safety is so heavily emphasized that it takes on almost religious significance. Rookie officers are taught what is widely known as the “first rule of law enforcement”: An officer’s overriding goal every day is to go home at the end of their shift.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

Sorry, this is applicable when rooms full of 9 and 10 yr olds are getting slaughtered. You don’t just stand outside and wait.

It's inapplicable to any active shooter post Columbine. The thinking used to be that you want to calm and negotiate with a gunman to save lives, but now it's go in fast and search out the shooter before they can kill more people. These cops decided to wait

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html

I'm not going to sit in judgement of cops who made choices under difficult circumstances. We'd all like to think that we would have done better when faced with the prospect of dying kids, but half of DC has had the luxury of working of been sitting at home because of COVID. Most of us are hardly the warriors for the public good (with the exception of frontline workers).

A sniper fired more than 200 high velocity rounds at my kid’s school in DC using four fully automatic assault rifles and a high capacity drum magazine. Four people were shot. This happened last month.

And that is the fault of Congress (specifically Republicans) for not having the guts and brains to put in place common sense measures that would reauire background checks and ban high capacity magazines. Because all of the legitimate gun owners out there know you don’t need the standard number of rounds to shoot a deer.

Do you think for a second that the person shooting up the PP's school legally purchased that gun? No.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Ted Cruz is a pathetic coward and hypocrite.

He's awful. And that's good persistent questioning from the journalist.

Is Ted rushing off to catch his flight to Cancun?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The nightmare continues. Another casualty from this attack...

Joe Garcia, the husband of Irma Garcia, one of two teachers shot and killed in Uvalde, TX on Tuesday, has reportedly suffered a fatal heart attack.

Joe and Irma were high school sweethearts and married 24 years.

They leave behind four children.

My god.

Please say this is not true.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:SRO did not even try. Any normally constituted adult would have risked their lives to try to prevent the certain death of many kids. Also the shooter had already shot his grandma. Local schools should have been on lock-down and the SROs should have been ready when he arrived and crashed the truck. Those poor kids died alone hoping someone would come to their rescue.

But even apart from that, the police were right on him, correct? And waited an hour and a half? If that is now established fact, there needs to be some kind of federal investigation, public Congressional hearings, and I’d support - with family consent - blurred face photos of the deceased to show AR damage to the victims. This is insane. I’m not aware of this kind of pussy-footing in the response to active shooter scenes. The Uvalde victims were sacrificed in part BY the law enforcement officers on the scene because of their cowardice. Call it what it is!

You don’t need blurred face photos of the victims. Their faces have been mangled beyond recognition by high velocity automatic gunfire. That’s why they have needed DNA to match each pile of blood and mangled flesh to a set a of parents - they are UNRECOGNIZABLE.

Law enforcement support for an assault weapons ban - at least at the leadership level - has been very strong for decades. They lobbied to have the ban renewed when it was set to expire in 2003. Law enforcement officers know better than anyone the devastating effects of these weapons and that they are no match for them carrying their standard issue 9mm handguns.

People are outraged about the delay in LEOs entering the school. Those kids and teachers were dead within minutes of his entering that classroom. There are articles on the internet by trauma surgeons describing the damage to the human body caused by high velocity bullets from assault weapons. These wounds are nearly always unsurvivable, even with immediate medical attention.

WAKE UP PEOPLE. GET OFF THE INTERNET AND GET INTO THE FIGHT FOR GUN SAFETY LEGISLATION. I live in a state where these weapons are still banned, as well as high capacity magazines. The relief is real. Go out there and get involved and make it happen for your kids, too.

Do you really feel relieved, PP? I live in Maryland where assault weapons are banned but I feel no relief whatsoever. Because anyone could drive over from the American Legion Bridge and shoot up my kids' school.
Its too easy.

I recognize it is still possible for someone to get such weapons in another state and travel back here with them, but the likelihood of an impulsive teenager having that capacity to do all that travel and planning is small. This teenager went to his local gun shop and purchase an arsenal. I wonder if the gun shop owner engaged him in any conversation at all about his intentions?

We still have too many gun deaths in Massachusetts- but the rate is very low compared to elsewhere. I don’t know why you people in red states tolerate this wholly unnecessary death toll.

https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2021/apr/24/us-gun-violence-deaths-massachusetts-expert

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him. Especially if there was more than one of them

Unfortunately, that's not what their training tells them to do:

Police training starts in the academy, where the concept of officer safety is so heavily emphasized that it takes on almost religious significance. Rookie officers are taught what is widely known as the “first rule of law enforcement”: An officer’s overriding goal every day is to go home at the end of their shift.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

Sorry, this is applicable when rooms full of 9 and 10 yr olds are getting slaughtered. You don’t just stand outside and wait.

It's inapplicable to any active shooter post Columbine. The thinking used to be that you want to calm and negotiate with a gunman to save lives, but now it's go in fast and search out the shooter before they can kill more people. These cops decided to wait

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html

I'm not going to sit in judgement of cops who made choices under difficult circumstances. We'd all like to think that we would have done better when faced with the prospect of dying kids, but half of DC has had the luxury of working of been sitting at home because of COVID. Most of us are hardly the warriors for the public good (with the exception of frontline workers).

A sniper fired more than 200 high velocity rounds at my kid’s school in DC using four fully automatic assault rifles and a high capacity drum magazine. Four people were shot. This happened last month.

And that is the fault of Congress (specifically Republicans) for not having the guts and brains to put in place common sense measures that would reauire background checks and ban high capacity magazines. Because all of the legitimate gun owners out there know you don’t need the standard number of rounds to shoot a deer.

Do you think for a second that the person shooting up the PP's school legally purchased that gun? No.

Most recent gun massacres have taken place with legally purchased firearms. Educate yourself about the guns laws in your state and others adjacent to yours.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Let’s face face, for all the talk about common see we see gun reform, a universal federal background check and mandatory waiting period with no private sale exemption would be great but would not have stopped this and most other school shootings. If nothing comes back from NCIS the purchaser simply gets to walk out with the gun and unlimited ammo in a few minutes in most states.

Then there’s the related issue of ensuring that background checks can be completed by the FBI within three days if a sale is flagged and all relevant mental health and criminal information is accessible.

Tons can be done, starting with outlawing assault rifles and high capacity clips, and also raising the minimum purchase age across the board.

Im sorry, but these are matters of post-Heller and MacDonald jurisprudence under the Second Amendment. The Supreme Court will not outlaw assault rifles. The Supreme Court will not raise the minimum age of purchase to 21. The Fourth Citcuit already has invalidated a prohibition against handgun sales to anyone under 21. They will have a harder time with restrictions on high capacity magazines. Bans for untraceable ghost guns are already being challenged as was the banning of bump stocks after Las Vegas.

Unrestricted gun rights is something that will keep Clarence Thomas snd other Federalist Society fanatics on the bench for years to come.

Relatedly, there are only 7 states + the district where assault weapons are banned. Are these state laws at risk? What can we do at the local and state level to mitigate the risk of mass shootings? I have given up on my country. Still have some hope for my state (Maryland).

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If you are a LO or a SRO you are signing up to sacrifice yourself if need be. They absolutely should have went in after him. Especially if there was more than one of them

Unfortunately, that's not what their training tells them to do:

Police training starts in the academy, where the concept of officer safety is so heavily emphasized that it takes on almost religious significance. Rookie officers are taught what is widely known as the “first rule of law enforcement”: An officer’s overriding goal every day is to go home at the end of their shift.

https://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/police-gun-shooting-training-ferguson/383681/

Sorry, this is applicable when rooms full of 9 and 10 yr olds are getting slaughtered. You don’t just stand outside and wait.

It's inapplicable to any active shooter post Columbine. The thinking used to be that you want to calm and negotiate with a gunman to save lives, but now it's go in fast and search out the shooter before they can kill more people. These cops decided to wait

https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/us/florida-school-shooting-columbine-lessons/index.html

I'm not going to sit in judgement of cops who made choices under difficult circumstances. We'd all like to think that we would have done better when faced with the prospect of dying kids, but half of DC has had the luxury of working of been sitting at home because of COVID. Most of us are hardly the warriors for the public good (with the exception of frontline workers).

A sniper fired more than 200 high velocity rounds at my kid’s school in DC using four fully automatic assault rifles and a high capacity drum magazine. Four people were shot. This happened last month.

And that is the fault of Congress (specifically Republicans) for not having the guts and brains to put in place common sense measures that would reauire background checks and ban high capacity magazines. Because all of the legitimate gun owners out there know you don’t need the standard number of rounds to shoot a deer.

Do you think for a second that the person shooting up the PP's school legally purchased that gun? No.

I'm betting on legally purchased. Most mass shooters manage to buy guns legally