Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Couldn't the person talking not have been the one flying the helicopter? There were three soldiers on the helicopter. This makes sense with Trump's DEI statements. Hegseth said in his statement that they know the identities of the soldiers on board. And, of course, this would play perfectly into Hegseth's claims that the military has gone to shit under Biden because it's no longer the best and brightest being promoted, etc., it's all based on DEI. He also claims that, under Biden, there's not enough time for military training in the field, etc. because they all had to constantly do DEI, sexual assault, etc. training. I REALLY hope the PP is wrong that the pilot of the helicopter was a woman, but I'm afraid that may be the case.

Do you not Nazi how you are playing directly into Nazi rhetoric?

Trump filled the government with grossly unqualified insane people, and you "REALLY hope" non-WhiteMen don't exist, because any one that does exist will be blamed for anything that goes wrong?

THIS IS HOW GENOCIDES LAUNCH

Um, no I'm not. You are not very good at reading comprehension. I hope it wasn't a woman flying the helicopter because Trump and Hegseth will point to that as "evidence" that women and other DEI candidates in the military shouldn't be there. I don't agree with that, but that's how they will twist that fact to further their agenda. Do you understand now?

So any time a woman screws up something (50% of the population) or a POC screws up (40%+ of the population) it's automatically because of "DEI"?

What a logical fallacy.

Does anyone know who was piloting the F35 that stalled out last weekend in Alaska? Was it a DEI pilot?
https://apnews.com/article/f35-air-force-jet-crashes-alaska-b85f19849361ddb3882cdc551f5d0f1d

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Couldn't the person talking not have been the one flying the helicopter? There were three soldiers on the helicopter. This makes sense with Trump's DEI statements. Hegseth said in his statement that they know the identities of the soldiers on board. And, of course, this would play perfectly into Hegseth's claims that the military has gone to shit under Biden because it's no longer the best and brightest being promoted, etc., it's all based on DEI. He also claims that, under Biden, there's not enough time for military training in the field, etc. because they all had to constantly do DEI, sexual assault, etc. training. I REALLY hope the PP is wrong that the pilot of the helicopter was a woman, but I'm afraid that may be the case.

So what if it was a woman? Has a man never crashed a plane? The blame lies on DoD to be allowing ‘training flights’ at night right next to a very busy airport. I’m in McLean and the number of helicopters that have been going around the last three weeks has been very strange. Guess what? It has been awfully quiet today.

The reason it matters is because it gives Trump and Hegseth ammunition in their claims that the military is prioritizing DEI/wokeness over merit. I'm not saying they are right, but they certainly will make the argument that this is evidnece they are right if it was a woman flying that military helicopter. Why is this hard to understand?

I doubt it was a woman because Trump/Vance spent the press conference trying to blame ATC. If the pilot was a woman, and they knew, they would have instead spent the press conference blaming DEI in DoD.

They went with the scapegoat they thought most likely to involve non-white guys (or people with disabilities) because their first thought upon hearing about this horrible tragedy was "how can we blame this on DEI?"

Freaking ghouls. I don't believe in hell but might start just so I can envision them going there.

Honey, if you believe in Hell, that's not where they are going. It's where they came from.

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Hegseth said he would always have service member’s backs…but days later he threw the pilot under the bus, just to pander to his boss.

All involved deserve a thorough , professional investigation.

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Anonymous wrote:If the helo was en route from Langley back to Ft. Belvoir, why did they follow the river at all? It's not remotely the most direct path, which would be over land.

Rivers are quieter but clearly they need a better plan for avoiding active DCA jet traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

No one knows yet.

To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.

That’s not true, the tower clearly advised the helicopter about the traffic, which plane it was and where it was going. Then they confirm visual separation. Then they actually do see it and tell the helicopter to go behind the plane. I don’t think there’s any way from what we could hear that the tower would anticipate the helicopter flying into the plane, but obviously we have limited info. But the tower does contact the helicopter before the crash.

It’s also amazing how he stayed so calm and redirected the other planes, especially that American pilot who was kind of a d$& about it.

But clearly the helicopter didn’t understand which plane the ATC had identified and that is part of the problem. We don’t know all of what was said, but it’s the ATCs job to make sure all the planes headed into the runway are aware of each other, on correct course and don’t collide, and that didn’t happen.

Did you listen to the ATC recording? That did happen. The controller confirmed with the BH pilot that he saw the airplane. The pilot confirmed he did.

NP From what I read there was more than just one airplane around as it's a busy landing approach path, and the pilot might have said that yes, he saw the plane, meaning another, and never saw this one.

If you actually listen to the ATC recording while watching the radar recording, you will understand this doesn't make sense. There is ONE plane in the helo's line of sight, it's right in front of them.

You hear the ATC asking for visual confirmation from the helo, getting it, and then directing the helo to go behind the plane (something the helo is designed to do).

And then impact.

There is ZERO evidence this is on ATC. Based on that, I would be waiting to get the black box from the helo, which may show a malfunction that prevented them from turning to go behind the plane. Or it could have been a medical event, which we may never know. Or just human error from the pilot, though that's harder to believe because military pilots receive training that you would expect to prevent that kind of error.

But there is no indication ATC screwed up and the implication that it was their fault makes no sense based on the current info.

If true and no misunderstanding then the helo pilots acted very irrationally. Luigi style irrational.

Why?

Best odds are either mechanical malfunction (pilot tried to turn the helicopter and it malfunctioned by either not responding to commands or not responding as normal) or human error (huge range if possibilities ranging from choking on gum to getting distracted to making a mistake with the controls -- literally a limitless range if things that can go wrong which is why part of the investigation should be examining whether it makes sense for non-essential helicopter flights should be routed past a busy airport).

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

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If the Helo had been flying at the proper designated altitude (200ft), even if it had not been able to see the CRJ, they would have not collided because the CRJ was at 400 ft at the time of the crash.

So not only was the Helo not aware of its surroundings, it was flying WAY too high.

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Anonymous wrote:Standards for pilots and ATC were reduced to lessen barriers for historically under represented minorities and women. And on the ATC side there have been an explosion of errors and near collisions. This is what the maga crowd is referring to. It’s not fair or at the core true - ATC issues are much deeper. But this is a perception in the aviation community, much of which leans right anyway.

Can you please explain what barriers were lessened? If there is a test, did they not pass it? Could any of it be blamed on training and bias? Is there any factual way to say this is happening? Perception is not fact.

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Anonymous wrote:Standards for pilots and ATC were reduced to lessen barriers for historically under represented minorities and women. And on the ATC side there have been an explosion of errors and near collisions. This is what the maga crowd is referring to. It’s not fair or at the core true - ATC issues are much deeper. But this is a perception in the aviation community, much of which leans right anyway.

What qualifications were changed? WHEN were they changed?

I'd like some concrete details instead of "...people are saying..." grievance platitudes.

The fact of the matter is that ATCs have 3,000 person shortage and it needs to remedied ASAP: https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/14/business/faa-short-on-air-traffic-controllers/index.html

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Anonymous wrote:Chris Plant of WMAL actually said on air today that the crash was caused by the “armless, legless, handicapped midgets that Biden’s DEI initiatives hired as air traffic controllers.”

In the old days, this idiot would already be out of a job. These days, that talk is celebrated.

Chris Plant and WMAL have been off the cliff for years. Just another right wing echo chamber radio station. I remember the old days with Harden and Weaver and Mark Davis...really sad what it has devolved to.

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Anonymous wrote:➡️ January 20: FAA director fired
➡️ January 21: Air Traffic Controller hiring frozen
➡️ January 22: Aviation Safety Advisory Committee disbanded
➡️ January 28: Buyout/retirement demand sent to existing employees
➡️ January 29: First American mid-air collision in 16 years

Making America Great Again!

So they sabotaged it? I doubt that very much. I have a higher opinion of FAA employees than you do.

Not sabotage. Stress.

Remember that one of Trump’s people said their goal was to “traumatize federal employees.”

Was this actually an ATC error? I thought it was mainly the helicopter error.

No one knows yet.

To me, it does look like some element of ATC error. It clearly was not communicating to both the helicopter and the airplane that they were headed straight for each other and need to take action.

That’s not true, the tower clearly advised the helicopter about the traffic, which plane it was and where it was going. Then they confirm visual separation. Then they actually do see it and tell the helicopter to go behind the plane. I don’t think there’s any way from what we could hear that the tower would anticipate the helicopter flying into the plane, but obviously we have limited info. But the tower does contact the helicopter before the crash.

It’s also amazing how he stayed so calm and redirected the other planes, especially that American pilot who was kind of a d$& about it.

But clearly the helicopter didn’t understand which plane the ATC had identified and that is part of the problem. We don’t know all of what was said, but it’s the ATCs job to make sure all the planes headed into the runway are aware of each other, on correct course and don’t collide, and that didn’t happen.

Did you listen to the ATC recording? That did happen. The controller confirmed with the BH pilot that he saw the airplane. The pilot confirmed he did.

NP From what I read there was more than just one airplane around as it's a busy landing approach path, and the pilot might have said that yes, he saw the plane, meaning another, and never saw this one.

If you actually listen to the ATC recording while watching the radar recording, you will understand this doesn't make sense. There is ONE plane in the helo's line of sight, it's right in front of them.

You hear the ATC asking for visual confirmation from the helo, getting it, and then directing the helo to go behind the plane (something the helo is designed to do).

And then impact.

There is ZERO evidence this is on ATC. Based on that, I would be waiting to get the black box from the helo, which may show a malfunction that prevented them from turning to go behind the plane. Or it could have been a medical event, which we may never know. Or just human error from the pilot, though that's harder to believe because military pilots receive training that you would expect to prevent that kind of error.

But there is no indication ATC screwed up and the implication that it was their fault makes no sense based on the current info.

If true and no misunderstanding then the helo pilots acted very irrationally. Luigi style irrational.

Why?

Seems that's also spit-balled in trump's late night tweet. But Luigi would do this before dropping the VIPs, no?

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Anonymous wrote:I called it right after the election:

Trump will blame everything bad that happens on Biden.

He'll get to do that for 2 years and then when the seats flip during the midterms and the Dems get power back, his excuse will flip to "I can't do anything b/c the Dems won't play ball. They won't work with me. Selfish people."

Yep. Just like Biden blamed everything that went wrong on Trump.

Remember the Afghan pull out. That disastrous pull out, Biden blamed it all on Trump…

It was Trump's terrible "deal" that caused all that nonsense. I mean, how stupid are you?

I love it.

So It’s ok for Biden to blame Trump for the disastrous pull out. Leaving billions in equipment and weapons, thousands of allies, death of us soldiers!

The pull out was in August 2021. Biden was President in January. He had 7 months to plan the pull out and that was the best he could do???? Also as president, he could have changed the terms or timing if needed. Hey, he is the commander right?

But that was all on Biden. All of it!!!!

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Couldn't the person talking not have been the one flying the helicopter? There were three soldiers on the helicopter. This makes sense with Trump's DEI statements. Hegseth said in his statement that they know the identities of the soldiers on board. And, of course, this would play perfectly into Hegseth's claims that the military has gone to shit under Biden because it's no longer the best and brightest being promoted, etc., it's all based on DEI. He also claims that, under Biden, there's not enough time for military training in the field, etc. because they all had to constantly do DEI, sexual assault, etc. training. I REALLY hope the PP is wrong that the pilot of the helicopter was a woman, but I'm afraid that may be the case.

But, when Hegseth screws up (like now) nobody is blaming that on DEI.

Right, because Hegseth isn't a DEI hire. What is your point?

Yes he is. DEI for Christian nationalist drunkards.

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

Hope she has a kick @$$ resume, education, no citations, and lots of solid hours in the black hawk.

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Anonymous wrote:If the helo was en route from Langley back to Ft. Belvoir, why did they follow the river at all? It's not remotely the most direct path, which would be over land.

Rivers are quieter but clearly they need a better plan for avoiding active DCA jet traffic.

I'm the PP you quoted. I saw a clip on youtube of an "expert" saying that military helicopters fly designated "lanes" or routes and the east edge of the potomac is one common route. However he also said if they helicopter was at 200 ft like it should have been, he would have missed the plane entirely as plans are not that low until they are much closer to the runway.