Plane crash DCA?

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Couldn't the person talking not have been the one flying the helicopter? There were three soldiers on the helicopter. This makes sense with Trump's DEI statements. Hegseth said in his statement that they know the identities of the soldiers on board. And, of course, this would play perfectly into Hegseth's claims that the military has gone to shit under Biden because it's no longer the best and brightest being promoted, etc., it's all based on DEI. He also claims that, under Biden, there's not enough time for military training in the field, etc. because they all had to constantly do DEI, sexual assault, etc. training. I REALLY hope the PP is wrong that the pilot of the helicopter was a woman, but I'm afraid that may be the case.

But, when Hegseth screws up (like now) nobody is blaming that on DEI.

Right, because Hegseth isn't a DEI hire. What is your point?

Yes he is. DEI for Christian nationalist drunkards.

Don't forget white male.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Couldn't the person talking not have been the one flying the helicopter? There were three soldiers on the helicopter. This makes sense with Trump's DEI statements. Hegseth said in his statement that they know the identities of the soldiers on board. And, of course, this would play perfectly into Hegseth's claims that the military has gone to shit under Biden because it's no longer the best and brightest being promoted, etc., it's all based on DEI. He also claims that, under Biden, there's not enough time for military training in the field, etc. because they all had to constantly do DEI, sexual assault, etc. training. I REALLY hope the PP is wrong that the pilot of the helicopter was a woman, but I'm afraid that may be the case.

But, when Hegseth screws up (like now) nobody is blaming that on DEI.

Right, because Hegseth isn't a DEI hire. What is your point?

He was the second nominee to require a tie breaker. Ever. Because he's an alcoholic talking head who's effed up other small management jobs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Couldn't the person talking not have been the one flying the helicopter? There were three soldiers on the helicopter. This makes sense with Trump's DEI statements. Hegseth said in his statement that they know the identities of the soldiers on board. And, of course, this would play perfectly into Hegseth's claims that the military has gone to shit under Biden because it's no longer the best and brightest being promoted, etc., it's all based on DEI. He also claims that, under Biden, there's not enough time for military training in the field, etc. because they all had to constantly do DEI, sexual assault, etc. training. I REALLY hope the PP is wrong that the pilot of the helicopter was a woman, but I'm afraid that may be the case.

Do you not Nazi how you are playing directly into Nazi rhetoric?

Trump filled the government with grossly unqualified insane people, and you "REALLY hope" non-WhiteMen don't exist, because any one that does exist will be blamed for anything that goes wrong?

THIS IS HOW GENOCIDES LAUNCH

Um, no I'm not. You are not very good at reading comprehension. I hope it wasn't a woman flying the helicopter because Trump and Hegseth will point to that as "evidence" that women and other DEI candidates in the military shouldn't be there. I don't agree with that, but that's how they will twist that fact to further their agenda. Do you understand now?

So any time a woman screws up something (50% of the population) or a POC screws up (40%+ of the population) it's automatically because of "DEI"?

What a logical fallacy.

Does anyone know who was piloting the F35 that stalled out last weekend in Alaska? Was it a DEI pilot?
https://apnews.com/article/f35-air-force-jet-crashes-alaska-b85f19849361ddb3882cdc551f5d0f1d

Women do not make up 50% of military helicopter pilots or anywhere even close to that. But, in any event, as a PP explained, there's a perception that the standards for flying/ATC have been lowered for women/non-white folks and that this has made flying less safe. Again, I am not saying this is true, but it's the claim of Trump/Hegseth + supporters. I'm not sure why you keep getting so angry when I've made clear I don't agree with this claim. It's not my argument, it's Hegseth's. So get mad at him.

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Anonymous wrote:If the helo was en route from Langley back to Ft. Belvoir, why did they follow the river at all? It's not remotely the most direct path, which would be over land.

Rivers are quieter but clearly they need a better plan for avoiding active DCA jet traffic.

I'm the PP you quoted. I saw a clip on youtube of an "expert" saying that military helicopters fly designated "lanes" or routes and the east edge of the potomac is one common route. However he also said if they helicopter was at 200 ft like it should have been, he would have missed the plane entirely as plans are not that low until they are much closer to the runway.

Even if the plane is at 400 feet and helicopter is at 200 feet, that's insanely close for a simultaneous pass.

After this, I expect the military helos to no longer cross the approaches to DCA. Which means more helicopters over the neighborhoods in NoVA and PG county. They also need to drastically reduce the VIP flights.

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Anonymous wrote:If the helo was en route from Langley back to Ft. Belvoir, why did they follow the river at all? It's not remotely the most direct path, which would be over land.

The military helicopter was on an annual recertification training flight. They flew straight into the right rear of AA passenger airplane! They were at an unauthorized altitude at impact.
They should have seen the passenger airplane!

There is nothing the AA pilots could have done who were seconds away from touchdown! The AC controllers were talking to both aircraft. Helicopter said they saw the airplane, but they didn’t flying directly into it (with night vision goggles on per Hegseth).

That's not great. Night vision goggles typically have a narrow FOV. Even the better ones are only 120 degrees.

I wondered about this. Thanks for posting. And I was wondering (have no idea) if they make it harder to distinguish all the different lights they are seeing? Airport, bridge, buildings, monuments, other planes, etc.

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Anonymous wrote:Trump admin crumbling on week 2.

Is he pissed media will focus on this and not on EOs? Of course.

OK, let's focus on his EO to cripple the FAA so Musk can launch rockets without safety checks.

And why not privatize more ATC to lowest bidder, too:

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Couldn't the person talking not have been the one flying the helicopter? There were three soldiers on the helicopter. This makes sense with Trump's DEI statements. Hegseth said in his statement that they know the identities of the soldiers on board. And, of course, this would play perfectly into Hegseth's claims that the military has gone to shit under Biden because it's no longer the best and brightest being promoted, etc., it's all based on DEI. He also claims that, under Biden, there's not enough time for military training in the field, etc. because they all had to constantly do DEI, sexual assault, etc. training. I REALLY hope the PP is wrong that the pilot of the helicopter was a woman, but I'm afraid that may be the case.

But, when Hegseth screws up (like now) nobody is blaming that on DEI.

Right, because Hegseth isn't a DEI hire. What is your point?

Yes he is. DEI for Christian nationalist drunkards.

ha, about right.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If the helo was en route from Langley back to Ft. Belvoir, why did they follow the river at all? It's not remotely the most direct path, which would be over land.

Rivers are quieter but clearly they need a better plan for avoiding active DCA jet traffic.

I'm the PP you quoted. I saw a clip on youtube of an "expert" saying that military helicopters fly designated "lanes" or routes and the east edge of the potomac is one common route. However he also said if they helicopter was at 200 ft like it should have been, he would have missed the plane entirely as plans are not that low until they are much closer to the runway.

The projected flight of the helicopter would have taken it over the main runway at national. So the helicopter seems to be above 200 foot restriction and crossing the river from east to west(not the normal flight path)

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Couldn't the person talking not have been the one flying the helicopter? There were three soldiers on the helicopter. This makes sense with Trump's DEI statements. Hegseth said in his statement that they know the identities of the soldiers on board. And, of course, this would play perfectly into Hegseth's claims that the military has gone to shit under Biden because it's no longer the best and brightest being promoted, etc., it's all based on DEI. He also claims that, under Biden, there's not enough time for military training in the field, etc. because they all had to constantly do DEI, sexual assault, etc. training. I REALLY hope the PP is wrong that the pilot of the helicopter was a woman, but I'm afraid that may be the case.

But, when Hegseth screws up (like now) nobody is blaming that on DEI.

Right, because Hegseth isn't a DEI hire. What is your point?

Just another low value white male being promoted for his whiteness.

[Anonymous]

The timing and with AA plane carrying coaches from the former ussr and don't know who else, no TSA head, Military helicopter, what's going on?

Sincere prayers to the families.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Man, the male helo pilot (or copilot) said at both ATC warnings that yes, they have visual separation and then went and crashed into the underside of the jet.

W T F.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I just heard the pilot of the helicopter was a woman. Trump, Hegseth and MAGA are getting ready to ramp up their “I Told You So” tour.

You heard from Fox or maybe one of the MAGA nuts?

It is clearly a male voice from the radio.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=r90Xw3tQC0I

Couldn't the person talking not have been the one flying the helicopter? There were three soldiers on the helicopter. This makes sense with Trump's DEI statements. Hegseth said in his statement that they know the identities of the soldiers on board. And, of course, this would play perfectly into Hegseth's claims that the military has gone to shit under Biden because it's no longer the best and brightest being promoted, etc., it's all based on DEI. He also claims that, under Biden, there's not enough time for military training in the field, etc. because they all had to constantly do DEI, sexual assault, etc. training. I REALLY hope the PP is wrong that the pilot of the helicopter was a woman, but I'm afraid that may be the case.

So what if it was a woman? Has a man never crashed a plane? The blame lies on DoD to be allowing ‘training flights’ at night right next to a very busy airport. I’m in McLean and the number of helicopters that have been going around the last three weeks has been very strange. Guess what? It has been awfully quiet today.

The reason it matters is because it gives Trump and Hegseth ammunition in their claims that the military is prioritizing DEI/wokeness over merit. I'm not saying they are right, but they certainly will make the argument that this is evidnece they are right if it was a woman flying that military helicopter. Why is this hard to understand?

I doubt it was a woman because Trump/Vance spent the press conference trying to blame ATC. If the pilot was a woman, and they knew, they would have instead spent the press conference blaming DEI in DoD.

They went with the scapegoat they thought most likely to involve non-white guys (or people with disabilities) because their first thought upon hearing about this horrible tragedy was "how can we blame this on DEI?"

Freaking ghouls. I don't believe in hell but might start just so I can envision them going there.

Honey, if you believe in Hell, that's not where they are going. It's where they came from.

DP, ty. I seriously needed a laugh with all this sadness. Feeling so awful for the victims, their family and friends, the pilots, the rescuers, the ATC, and all the people maligned by the president.

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Anonymous wrote:Standards for pilots and ATC were reduced to lessen barriers for historically under represented minorities and women. And on the ATC side there have been an explosion of errors and near collisions. This is what the maga crowd is referring to. It’s not fair or at the core true - ATC issues are much deeper. But this is a perception in the aviation community, much of which leans right anyway.

The near misses went down under Biden and there were no incidents under Biden. Trump came in, got rid of the FAA chief, put a hiring freeze on and disbanded the safety board. days later, this happens. If Biden had done these things with the same timing, right wing media would be apoplectic over it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I would like to hear the DoD say they are suspending all non-essential helicopter flights in the DC area pending an investigation. They won't, but they should.

Given this incident, there is no reason for DoD to be using airspace around DC for ordinary transport (that could easily and efficiently be done by car) or for training.

They won't do this though because it would raise the question of whether it was irresponsible to be using helicopters so extensively for these non-essential purposes in the first place.

I would like to hear this, too. The Air Force base on one side of the river, very busy DCA on the other side - there is no room for error and it’s unbelievable air traffic controllers are supposed to handle landing a plane every two minutes in this tight airspace, even if they didn’t have to watch out for military helicopters!

And again this was an annual recertification training flight for the helicopter. The AF base is right there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Standards for pilots and ATC were reduced to lessen barriers for historically under represented minorities and women. And on the ATC side there have been an explosion of errors and near collisions. This is what the maga crowd is referring to. It’s not fair or at the core true - ATC issues are much deeper. But this is a perception in the aviation community, much of which leans right anyway.

Another MAGAT spewing nonsense. Standards reduced to hire women and minorities because women and minorities apparently are not as smart as white men. In recruiting these days, the least qualified applicants for many high level corporate jobs are often the white males.