Tourist submersible missing on visit to Titanic

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How would it be instantaneous?

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I think as soon as the interior pressure rose (within seconds), the humans would pass out and die.

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Anonymous wrote:How would it be instantaneous?

If it imploded, which is most likely the case.

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Anonymous wrote:May I ask a dumb question?

We have pics of the Titanic wreck, so clearly someone has been down there before? How did they live to tell the tale?

Many submersibles have gone down there. Even Titan has gone down before and returned.

Didn’t James Cameron go down there?

Over 30 times since 1995. Cameron has a deep-sea exploration company and his own submersibles.

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Anonymous wrote:How would it be instantaneous?

The expert on tv said one bump on a rock or piece of the titanic— one crack with any leak would implode it 🤷

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think the vessel will actually ever be found? It's a literal needle in a huge haystack.

It's a FIGURATIVE needle in a haystack. A literal needle in a haystack would be a needle in a haystack.

+1 come on now.

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Anonymous wrote:May I ask a dumb question?

We have pics of the Titanic wreck, so clearly someone has been down there before? How did they live to tell the tale?

Many submersibles have gone down there. Even Titan has gone down before and returned.

Then why is everyone like "OMG THIS IS SO DUMB FOR PEOPLE TO GO" if people have been before

It’s honorable to take risk in the name of research, science, something you believe in and work for that is bigger than yourself. Hence why we don’t think astronauts or the Wright Brothers are stupid - the risk counts for something. But this was just ego tourism. It was rich people who had no business doing this taking a massive risk simply because they had the money to do it and say they did it. The risk here (death in a horrible way) was really high for the actual payoff.

Are you joking? The Wright brother weren't selfless researchers wanting to better society. They were motivated by greed. They wanted to be rich.

No this is your opinion, not fact

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Anonymous wrote:I disagree that this isn't a traumatizing story. Obviously levels of trauma vary significantly and many many people are able to read (and even laugh ) about it without feeling any personal impact. But this is really tough to know about for "deep feeling" people, and it absolutely has a negative collective impact on mental health.

I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public. It's horrifying and I hope they are able to be saved. I can't imagine what their families are going through.

This is the best post and I agree 100%

Some people here should be ashamed of themselves.

The teen on board is especially upsetting.

Ok, but question for you two - how do you manage to get out of bed much less function on a daily basis with the amount of suffering and death that occurs every second around the world? I can think of many, many situations that are far worse for people (especially because they didn't put themselves in those situations!), that break my heart more than this. Yes, this is sad, it's sad when (almost anyone) dies, especially in a manner like this. But it's not remotely as sad as children dying of starvation, children being sold off into sex slavery, migrants dying trying to cross a body of water. I could go on and on. So if THIS is what you want to categorize as traumatizing, how do you handle everything else that's going on?

I’m the poster who originally posited that this is a potentially traumatic incident for many millions of people. Recent decades of research in psychology and neuroscience has clearly established that our brains are impacted by vicarious trauma, folks who work in fields where they are witness to traumatic experiences are clearly affected. Some people are affected more than others - there is now growing consensus that some people, perhaps ~30%, are highly sensitive people upon whom trauma had greater impact than others.

I actually *do* struggle every day with how to cope with psychological anguish I feel considering the suffering of others I have never met - victims of the war in Ukraine, starving children in the Sudan, girls and women raped and murdered all over the world as a weapon of war and/or misogyny.

In this case I am not traumatized so much by the loss of these five people but rather by the manner of the deaths - as the whole world contemplates whether they were blown to bits in a sudden depressurization or whether they are experiencing the hellish agony of a long slow descent into madness and suffocation.

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Anonymous wrote:How would it be instantaneous?

I think as soon as the interior pressure rose (within seconds), the humans would pass out and die.

DH is an engineer and explained it to me: At those depths, the pressure would be such that water would shoot in at an unbelievably high velocity. The amount of energy unleashed in a very short period of time (and in such a small container) would result in the temperature reaching roughly that of the surface of the sun. All contents would be instantly pulverized. They wouldn’t have any idea it was coming, or would they sense anything. Truly a PEAK experience.

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Anonymous wrote:My big takeaway from this thread is that the state of basic science education in this country is dire indeed. JFC.

And not just science, but just... common sense.


Sharks are mammals.

They should have just put a cable on it, connected to the mothership.

Why no GPS?

Was the selfie from a guy trapped in the sub?


WTF people? I'm hoping some of these are trolls or maybe kids posting here.

To the poster who mocked me for asking about a potential fiber optic cable tether please see the link below. It looks like this might be a possibility in the future.

https://www.uri.edu/news/2021/05/compact-deployment-system-makes-exploring-deep-seas-easier/

I did some googling and many deep sea research vessels, including some manned vessels, ARE tethered to support ships. They are built around giant winches.

It's not strong enough to lift 12,000 lbs.

Right, I didn’t expect a fiber optic cable to lift a sub. I mentioned it as a possibility for communicating location.

Even if they knew exactly where the sub was from the outset, is there ANY technology capable of lifting it to the surface from those depths? Not being snarky, genuine question.

No, I don’t think so. And especially not at short notice like this. The deepest underwater rescue was at less than 2k feet and they could be at 12k.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think the vessel will actually ever be found? It's a literal needle in a huge haystack.

It's a FIGURATIVE needle in a haystack. A literal needle in a haystack would be a needle in a haystack.

+1 come on now.

I’m not the first PP, but people use literal in the non-literal sense, as a way of saying “in effect.”

I’m sure you knew this, though. Don’t be pedantic.

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I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public.

I guess you feel the titanic victims themselves should have been billed for their rescue.

Traveling via a normal mode of transportation is not a vanity project, so no.

I don't care about the cost of this rescue mission. The government wastes so much money on a daily basis, this is a drop in the bucket. It's hard to get excited about this. Our tax dollars are often wasted. So what.

You don't have to get excited about this but on balance I think that it would be better the billionaires to pay for their own search and rescue missions instead of the taxpayers.

I can think of lots of ways to spare taxpayers. This barely registers.

Okay, but I'm not wrong.

Well you are, because they won't be billed.

LOL I am not saying they will be billed.

You've decided that you're right about who should pay and who shouldn't. Who agrees with you? Not the Coast Guard and US Government. So, what exactly are you right about? The government wastes a shit ton of money every day. And you think stopping these rare rescues would make even the slightest difference?

A lot of people agree with me but that isn't even the point, I think that if you sit and think for one minute whether a billionaire--one individual who has a THOUSAND million dollars--should pay for a rescue operation, or if it should be the US government which is financed in large part through working people, you should pick the billionaire.

And in case this wasn't clear, this is just a thought exercise.

Whatever. Get over it.

Who the hell are you again? Oh, right. Nobody.

Just like you. But at least there are better people than you out there who do the right thing and don't make petty decisions because they are jealous of the rich. I'm glad they call the shots and not you.

Yes, we’re alllll super jealous of the people dying two miles underwater with a full bank account they’ll never use. You’re a moron.

They aren't taking their money with them. Their survivors will still have it. And they won't have to spend a penny on the rescue. And that makes you big time mad.

They "won't have to spend a penny on rescue" because they are dead and will not be rescued. No, that doesn't make me "big time mad." You're a weirdo.

You think the money went? Poof! Oh well. Guess it wouldn't occur to you to bill the estate.

I assume the government will bill the estate. They really don’t have a choice about it.

But that’s nothing to do with the dead guys; they’re dead. You can’t take it with you.

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I hope these people are found and rescued, and that with their billions they will pay back the costs of being rescued from what I agree was entirely a vanity project at now great financial and emotional cost to the public.

I guess you feel the titanic victims themselves should have been billed for their rescue.

Traveling via a normal mode of transportation is not a vanity project, so no.

I don't care about the cost of this rescue mission. The government wastes so much money on a daily basis, this is a drop in the bucket. It's hard to get excited about this. Our tax dollars are often wasted. So what.

You don't have to get excited about this but on balance I think that it would be better the billionaires to pay for their own search and rescue missions instead of the taxpayers.

I can think of lots of ways to spare taxpayers. This barely registers.

Okay, but I'm not wrong.

Well you are, because they won't be billed.

LOL I am not saying they will be billed.

You've decided that you're right about who should pay and who shouldn't. Who agrees with you? Not the Coast Guard and US Government. So, what exactly are you right about? The government wastes a shit ton of money every day. And you think stopping these rare rescues would make even the slightest difference?

A lot of people agree with me but that isn't even the point, I think that if you sit and think for one minute whether a billionaire--one individual who has a THOUSAND million dollars--should pay for a rescue operation, or if it should be the US government which is financed in large part through working people, you should pick the billionaire.

And in case this wasn't clear, this is just a thought exercise.

Whatever. Get over it.

Who the hell are you again? Oh, right. Nobody.

Just like you. But at least there are better people than you out there who do the right thing and don't make petty decisions because they are jealous of the rich. I'm glad they call the shots and not you.

Yes, we’re alllll super jealous of the people dying two miles underwater with a full bank account they’ll never use. You’re a moron.

They aren't taking their money with them. Their survivors will still have it. And they won't have to spend a penny on the rescue. And that makes you big time mad.

They "won't have to spend a penny on rescue" because they are dead and will not be rescued. No, that doesn't make me "big time mad." You're a weirdo.

You think the money went? Poof! Oh well. Guess it wouldn't occur to you to bill the estate.

I assume the government will bill the estate. They really don’t have a choice about it.

But that’s nothing to do with the dead guys; they’re dead. You can’t take it with you.

The stepson doesn't seem too broken up about the idea.

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Anonymous wrote:Does anyone think the vessel will actually ever be found? It's a literal needle in a huge haystack.

It's a FIGURATIVE needle in a haystack. A literal needle in a haystack would be a needle in a haystack.

+1 come on now.

I’m not the first PP, but people use literal in the non-literal sense, as a way of saying “in effect.”

I’m sure you knew this, though. Don’t be pedantic.

+1

Actually, people use it as an intensifier of a phrase. Like mark Twain when he said something like “the man was literally rolling in money.”

The more you know. 🌈

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Anonymous wrote:May I ask a dumb question?

We have pics of the Titanic wreck, so clearly someone has been down there before? How did they live to tell the tale?

Many submersibles have gone down there. Even Titan has gone down before and returned.

Then why is everyone like "OMG THIS IS SO DUMB FOR PEOPLE TO GO" if people have been before

It’s honorable to take risk in the name of research, science, something you believe in and work for that is bigger than yourself. Hence why we don’t think astronauts or the Wright Brothers are stupid - the risk counts for something. But this was just ego tourism. It was rich people who had no business doing this taking a massive risk simply because they had the money to do it and say they did it. The risk here (death in a horrible way) was really high for the actual payoff.

Are you joking? The Wright brother weren't selfless researchers wanting to better society. They were motivated by greed. They wanted to be rich.

No this is your opinion, not fact

Your opinion is that they were motivated otherwise. Where are the facts?